Speculation: 2022 off-season discussion

[Youngguns1380]

Who knows the real reasons why he wanted to “move on”, but, it’s not as if moving on from Jones has been all that great for the CBJ either.

CHI should have been in a better position to win games before dealing so many “futures” for Jones, but, there seems to be mostly biased and unrealistic evaluations regarding the impact Jones makes on the ice (along with his relatively “young” age) in relation to the group of guys he was traded for and their current impact and their MAX possible potential that they seem to already be valued as before they actually reach that quality of player or value of asset.

I personally seem to rate Bean higher than most, and look at Sillinger and Boqvist lesser than most.

I’d be interested to see what people would hypothetically offer for Jones back. I’d do Sillinger+Boqvist easy.

Throw in Peeke for both Jones’.

I am sorry - I completely disagree with this whole line of thought . Bean is not higher than Sillinger and maybe tied with Boqvist. Last I have no interest in returning to the Jones train. I feel we are better set for future and Jones made his decision. I wish him the best but not coming back.

 

[NotTooWideArena]

I’d be interested to see what people would hypothetically offer for Jones back. I’d do Sillinger+Boqvist easy.

Respectfully: You can have my Sillinger when you pry him from my cold dead hands.

He held his own as a middle-six center in his rookie year against NHL competition. At age 18. Maybe he would have benefited from time in Cleveland. Maybe he will never be Mark Messier. Maybe.

I'm not saying he's untouchable. I am saying it should cost a big ol' pile of assets to touch him.

I am with you on Bean having more value than some seem to think, and Boquist having some negative value, particularly in the defensive end.

 

[VT]

If we get Chychrun, I doubt Bean would stay although I think he's better than Gavrikov, maybe than Boqvist. If he get "muscle" he will be excellent d-man and we wouldn't need Chychrun. But Vladislav is a sacred cow that's why Jake doesn't probably have a chance.

Werenski - Blankenburg/Bean (if Jake won't be traded)
Chychrun - Boqvist
Gavrikov - Peeke

I hope Tarasov gets as many chances as possible to show his qualities. If he confirms his talent, Korpi will be healthy and return to his play we can trade Elvis and free money under cap. Because I'm sorry, but Elvis is not a goalie we can be successful with (I don't mean going to the PO and that's it).

 

[CBJWerenski8]

The retool is over?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I’d be interested to see what people would hypothetically offer for Jones back. I’d do Sillinger+Boqvist easy.

Throw in Peeke for both Jones’.

He can rot in Chicago. I hope they keep him. That’s what he wanted

But hypothetically, and purely hypothetically, I’d trade 12 overall+Bemstrom+Bean or something like that. His contract sucks

 

[Cowumbus]

He can rot in Chicago. I hope they keep him. That’s what he wanted

But hypothetically, and purely hypothetically, I’d trade 12 overall+Bemstrom+Bean or something like that. His contract sucks

I’d rather have the cap space.

The retool is over?

I really don’t want Jarmo to trade 12OA.

They need to stay the course and continue to draft high end talent. The team isn’t better than Carolina,NYR,NJD or Pitt/Wsh

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

The retool is over?

Either Jarmo is a genius because we’ll do it right this time or Jarmo is a fool because we rushed building back up again too quickly.

 

[Monk]

Either Jarmo is a genius because we’ll do it right this time or Jarmo is a fool because we rushed building back up again too quickly.

And on this board he'll be both

 

[thebus88]

Respectfully: You can have my Sillinger when you pry him from my cold dead hands.

He held his own as a middle-six center in his rookie year against NHL competition. At age 18. Maybe he would have benefited from time in Cleveland. Maybe he will never be Mark Messier. Maybe.

I'm not saying he's untouchable. I am saying it should cost a big ol' pile of assets to touch him.

I am with you on Bean having more value than some seem to think, and Boquist having some negative value, particularly in the defensive end.

I like Sillinger. Much more than Boqvist. Both guys I think have been given a little more credit or “hype” than they really deserve at this point though, IMO.

Sure, Sillinger “held his own”. He also looked lost on the ice and got scored on plenty, while losing a lot of games, on a bad team.

Seth Jones is a great player now and for the next foreseeable future. How bad the CBJ are defensively and in general after he left CAN NOT be denied. Unlike what many would like to believe around here, he’s also still worth a “big ol’ pile of assets”.

I like the way Sillinger plays the game. And he is VERY young. That said, there were plenty of bumps in his rookie year, the team was not good, he was “caught” out of position defensively plenty of times, and his shot and overall offensive potential/“ceiling” seems to be a bit overblown at times.

Again, the CBJ team was not good, and the center depth is a huge issue. Sillinger seems to be getting credit more so for his competition and play in relation to an underwhelming Roslovic/CBJ center core and not so much how his year actually went against NHL players. There’s plenty of young guys around the league who could have accomplished what Sillinger did this past year if put in the same situation, IMO. I don’t think he should be looked at as a better prospect or way more valuable than some other young guys because he was “rushed” or played in the NHL before them.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Sillinger is getting credit for performing at or above expectations for his scouting report and for a rookie. He showed some things that make him projectable as a very good center an in the NHL, even if he is not one yet. That people ( myself included) wouldn’t trade him for Seth Jones is not surprising.

 

[Jovavic]

I'd trade bus for Jones, that's about it

 

[JacketsDavid]

Chicago would never due a Sillinger for Jones trade simply because it would clearly show how bad of deal it was in the first place.
I think Seth Jones would be great if we had team defense. Hopefully we get back to that this year. I still think he is good and has immense skills.
However since he wanted out the first time is the best indicator that he's not interested in a return trip either.

 

[thebus88]

It’s clear a big chunk of you guys are bent out of shape over the Jones “decision” when you have no idea what actually went on behind the scenes and what actual decisions or choices were made, and by who.

IMO, it’s clear to me that the front office chose Laine and whatever comes with him, over Jones/Torts. There was a clear disconnect with the team that people acknowledge, but, don’t inquire about what it actually was. Just the same “Torts outdated ways lost the team” BS. Not to mention what seemed like a ‘change of heart’ from Jones that was never explained.

It’s almost like Jones leaving the CBJ, and them becoming terrible, are related.

And most people want to build a defense around Boqvist/Peeke/Gavrikov….ridiculous.

 

[Toe Pick]

I’d rather have the cap space.


I really don’t want Jarmo to trade 12OA.

They need to stay the course and continue to draft high end talent. The team isn’t better than Carolina,NYR,NJD or Pitt/Wsh

I agree with this.

I'm also beginning to think Gavrikov plans to test the UFA waters after this season which is why although we need a top pair RD, acquiring another top 4 LD is also a priority. I hope I'm wrong as I love Gavrikov's game.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

 

[CBJWerenski8]

It’s clear a big chunk of you guys are bent out of shape over the Jones “decision” when you have no idea what actually went on behind the scenes and what actual decisions or choices were made, and by who.

IMO, it’s clear to me that the front office chose Laine and whatever comes with him, over Jones/Torts. There was a clear disconnect with the team that people acknowledge, but, don’t inquire about what it actually was. Just the same “Torts outdated ways lost the team” BS. Not to mention what seemed like a ‘change of heart’ from Jones that was never explained.

It’s almost like Jones leaving the CBJ, and them becoming terrible, are related.

And most people want to build a defense around Boqvist/Peeke/Gavrikov….ridiculous.

So we don’t know what went on behind the scenes, but then you spew an opinion with zero/little evidence to back up, and accept it as truth.

Yeah, I don’t know what went on behind the scenes or why he wanted to leave. And I don’t care. He made his choice and I hope he lives with it.

What I do know is Jones very much supported Torts. Torts is not here anymore. I do know Jones was apart of the leadership group that Jarmo felt the need to blow apart.

Also, The jackets were better last year without Jones than they were the year before, with Jones.for multiple reasons, yes, and not necessarily Jones’ fault. But still true.

Jones isn’t getting traded anyway, so none of this matters.

 

[Cowumbus]

It’s clear a big chunk of you guys are bent out of shape over the Jones “decision” when you have no idea what actually went on behind the scenes and what actual decisions or choices were made, and by who.

IMO, it’s clear to me that the front office chose Laine and whatever comes with him, over Jones/Torts. There was a clear disconnect with the team that people acknowledge, but, don’t inquire about what it actually was. Just the same “Torts outdated ways lost the team” BS. Not to mention what seemed like a ‘change of heart’ from Jones that was never explained.

It’s almost like Jones leaving the CBJ, and them becoming terrible, are related.

And most people want to build a defense around Boqvist/Peeke/Gavrikov….ridiculous.

Not sure what people want, but personally I would like some of those guys to be part of the D core, but lower in the lineup

Werenski is a 1b
Gavrikov should be a #4/5
Boqvist should be a #5 PPQB (Sergachev type)
Peeke #6 (PK specialist)

I prefer Blankenburg to Peeke, maybe Bean to Peeke too.

Ideally the lineup would be (with examples of the type of players needed)

Werenski #1b (defensive Brodin)
Gavrikov #3 RHD (2-way Goligoski)
#6 (defensive McDonagh) Boqvist

The question is can Bean develop into the #6 spot? Can Blankenburg fit the #3? Could Boqvist learn to play D and be a second pairing guy? What is Ceulemans ceiling?

 

[Cowumbus]

Summary on Jarmo/Porty article in the Athletic:

“
Jarmo is willing to trade picks. He’s deeply involved in trade talks involving one veteran NHL defenseman (and maybe more). He may plunge into the FA market if trades don’t come to pass.

If he moves up, it’s 6 and a roster player. He would trade 12 for immediate help - but only if young players with multiple years left or an RFA (both of these were Portzline’s “senses”)

He thinks if Gauthier goes top 5, and one defenseman is there, he wouldn’t be shocked if they took someone OTHER than Jiricek, or traded down. If Gauthier is there, they would happily take him.

“It’s not the end of the world if Bemstrom gets claimed, but losing Foudy would be tough to swallow.”

Jarmo’s preference is to trade for a defenseman instead of hitting the FA market”

So nothing really new here..

 

[thebus88]

I'd trade bus for Jones, that's about it

NMC, like all the other “superstars” that have left the CBJ, the decision when and where I go are up to me.



Front office decisions that have been made recently and the route the team seems to be heading (imo) should see some additions to my list soon, however.

What if we beat Boston??

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Either Jarmo is a genius because we’ll do it right this time or Jarmo is a fool because we rushed building back up again too quickly.

I also find myself wondering whether this is too early. Jarmo has talked so much about re-building the right way, and 2023 draft seems to be the one you dont want to miss.

If he rushes the rebuild now, and CBJ becomes an eternal bubble team like Wild, it should be byebye job for him

 

[MoeBartoli]

I guess deciding you want to move on from the CBJ isn't always what its cracked up to be is it?

I'll also add I think it is pretty clear we've won this trade by getting Boqvist, Sillinger, Jake Bean and another first this year while Chicago has what is probably a pretty unmovable contract at this point for the next several years.

I think the trade was won by not paying Seth $9M AAV for the term he got.

 

[MissADD]

I also find myself wondering whether this is too early. Jarmo has talked so much about re-building the right way, and 2023 draft seems to be the one you dont want to miss.

If he rushes the rebuild now, and CBJ becomes an eternal bubble team like Wild, it should be byebye job for him

It all depends on the moves he makes. While he shouldn't be super aggressive and mortgage the future with trades over the next few days, standing pat isn't the right move either. I don't think trading for Chychrun would effect the rebuild to much this next season. Remember the Jackets were technically a bubble team last year only finishing 2 spots out of the playoffs. Yes the point gap was massive, but points between playoff and non playoff teams don't effect lottery odd. Unless another Panarin becomes available via trade, I say get Chychrun or another defense man, to help start stabilizing the blue line and fill gaps via free agency,

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[koteka]

I'm almost certain it won't happen, but what's the thought of Seth Jones getting traded is hilarious

The ultimate trade would be PLD for Seth Jones.

 

[Jovavic]

I think Myers is one of the dmen he's looking at, since we know he was in on McDonaugh and Myers has a shorter and slightly cheaper cap hit.