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GDT: 2022 NHL Entry Draft - Round 1 - July 7th - 7 P.M / Round 2-7 - July 8th - 11 A.M

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megajake said:
Oh so Cat can't resign ? Or the player you draft can't demand a trade? Or the player you draft can't just be a Zacha 2.0? I'd take my chances with Cat for 2 years than deal with another Zacha for 8.
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DeBrincat has NO incentive to sign an extension with any team. He has a $9 million qualifying offer next year which he can just sign and then walk to ufa status the year after in what should be a more favorable free agent market. And given the realities of how things work then you have to make the decision on turning around to trade him or risk letting him walk for nothing next year. So you only really get him for 1 year. It would be the Taylor Hall situation just on a tighter window and giving up a bigger asset.

There is a huge difference between the #2 pick and #7. You can’t give up the #2 pick for a risk like that. Yes there is risk the pick doesn’t work, but long term it is less a risk that the DeBrincat situation.
 
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jkrdevil said:
DeBrincat has NO incentive to sign an extension with any team. He has a $9 million qualifying offer next year which he can just sign and then walk to ufa status the year after in what should be a more favorable free agent market. And given the realities of how things work then you have to make the decision on turning around to trade him or risk letting him walk for nothing next year. So you only really get him for 1 year. It would be the Taylor Hall situation just on a tighter window and giving up a bigger asset.

There is a huge difference between the #2 pick and #7. You can’t give up the #2 pick for a risk like that. Yes there is risk the pick doesn’t work, but long term it is less a risk that the DeBrincat situation.
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It's absolutely insane, that this needs to be explained as much this has been debated.
 
JrFischer54 said:
I’m convinced this board just doesn’t want talent on the roster lol. I would love to have the problem of having to pay a player for scoring 40 goals. That is a problem I’m fine worrying about
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I'm all for adding another good player but I could see why the team wouldn't do it for Debrincat. Especially when Fitz commented on he likes what we have but we have a lot of the same aka smaller skill, I'm more than willing to go out an pay picks + a contract for someone as you know...you've quoted a lot of my tkachuk trade posts lol
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
#2 overall picks aren’t lottery tickets. Obviously busts happen but the vast majority of the time you get a good player, sometimes a franchise player. In the salary cap era, top picks have absolutely massive value.
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Yeah but #2 picks rarely, if ever, project as poorly analytically as Slafkovsky. Again, there are a lot of people unwilling to admit the inherent risk with Slafkovsky as opposed to what you typically get in that spot. It’s okay to admit that and still like the player.
 
JrFischer54 said:
I’m convinced this board just doesn’t want talent on the roster lol. I would love to have the problem of having to pay a player for scoring 40 goals. That is a problem I’m fine worrying about
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The problem isn’t paying him. It is even with him are we going to be good enough for him to stay and it not f*** us long term. Goaltending f***s is again, or we have Vegas type injury luck next year and we are f***ed long term.

Just keep the pick and give yourselves more opportunities to be good in future years.
 
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Again. Debrincat didn’t happen. This apparently means 100% Fitz isn’t going to do anything in the weeks and months ahead to improve this team.

f*** YOU FITZ. It’s still early in the off-season and you may do something awesome soon but f*** YOU FITZ
 
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Unknown Caller said:
Yeah but #2 picks rarely, if ever, project as poorly analytically as Slafkovsky. Again, there are a lot of people unwilling to admit the inherent risk with Slafkovsky as opposed to what you typically get in that spot. It’s okay to admit that and still like the player.
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Based on PPG in Liiga, ignoringa INTL competition? Advanced analytics? What are you basing that on? Please let me know what tidbit of info gives you more knowledge than virtually every pro scout on the planet.
 
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JrFischer54 said:
And if the number 2 pick busts what’s that do to our chances of being a contender?
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Decrease it.

But this is not a valid reason to trade this pick away for non-franchise player.

The pick has a certain probability to bust, a certain probability to become a very good player, a certain probability to become a star and a certain probability to become a franchise player. Historically, you can expect a pretty good outcome when picking #2.

Historically, what type of players form cores of contenders (no matter where you set the bar, if it's cup winners or taking part in conference finals etc.)? The answers are:

1) Franchise players on any contracts, however if it's cheap even better (e. g. MacKinnon is a franchise player on 6.3M contract),
2) Stars on favorable contracts (many examples here).

And getting them without drafting them is virtually impossible. It happens under certain circumstances but it's generally very unlikely and since you need multiple quality pieces to form your core, trading away top picks for a "win-now" talent is not a viable strategy.
 
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This rumor out of nowhere. Someone wants someone to think they might be out of the market for a center? Timed as Slaf exits Habs meeting?

 
Worst case scenario - Slavkovsky goes #1 , we trade down and get a pile of shit for doing so ( prospects on the others teams depth chart in the 5+ range ).Where you have to google who the hell the player(s) are.
Do not want a pole of mediocre crap for moving down. We don’t need quantity any more. It has to be an overpayment in return or just use the damn pick .
 
DerekDevils30 said:
Montreal trading for Miller would absolutely kill me. It really would
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Kill you as in make you feel horrible or Kill you as making you die of laughter?

Eggtimer said:
Worst case scenario - Slavkovsky goes #1 , we trade down and get a pile of shit for doing so ( prospects on the others teams depth chart in the 5+ range ).Where you have to lol up who the hell the player(s) are.
Do not want a pole of mediocre crap for moving down. We don’t need quantity any more. It has to be an overpayment in return or just use the damn pick .
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I would hate Fitz for a long time if he passes on Shane Wright.
 
Csonked Out said:
Isn’t forsberg going FA? He should be at the top of our list
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He shot near 19% and had an all around monster season in a career year. Has missed time in the past 5 seasons. Wife is a small time country singer. They're apparently only a few 100k off rn in negotiations.

To be fair I think Hughes would be the most talented linemate he's ever had and it'd be fun to watch but that contract has tons of potential to go south
 
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