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NHL Entry Draft 2022 NHL Draft Thread - Part 2

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Qward said:
I think too many of you are sleeping on Frank Nazar.

Imagine Formentons speed, but is able to finish.
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His NHL Central Scouting ranking and others will likely have him as a mid 1st, don’t think he’s going to be looked at for the Sens pick at 7.

21st NA was a bit low in my opinion, but the draft “usually” doesn’t stray too far from the NHLCS lists in general at the top of the draft. Boucher of course was picked 10th after being 28th NA skater, but even that’s looking generous now.
 
Qward said:
I think too many of you are sleeping on Frank Nazar.

Imagine Formentons speed, but is able to finish.
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Nazar is a sneaky good skater but he's not Formenton fast.

Love the player though. Has one of the highest upsides in the draft IMO if he improves his shift-by-shift intensity and bulks up.
 
BondraTime said:
His NHL Central Scouting ranking and others will likely have him as a mid 1st, don’t think he’s going to be looked at for the Sens pick at 7.

21st NA was a bit low in my opinion, but the draft “usually” doesn’t stray too far from the NHLCS lists in general at the top of the draft. Boucher of course was picked 10th after being 28th NA skater, but even that’s looking generous now.
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Ranked #9 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING

Ranked #4 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM

Ranked #10 by FCHOCKEY

Ranked #14 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE

Ranked #18 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY

Ranked #24 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON

Ranked #21 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)

Ranked #17 by SPORTSNET

Ranked #10 by RECRUIT SCOUTING

Ranked #6 by DOBBERPROSPECTS

Ranked #10 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY

Ranked #7 by SMAHT SCOUTING

Ranked #12 by THE PUCK AUTHORITY
 
Qward said:
Just in case others are not.
Using the same system, Kasper is WAY lower in the projections which worries me.
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Which doesn’t take into account the reliable services, or progression over the past 5/6 months. Consolidated rankings include lists from every Joe Schmoo in random online services, guys like Wheeler, etc. Consolidated rankings can just be subbed out by using Mckenzies. It’s more reliable than any list’s information combined.

Kasper was one of the biggest risers over the past few months, jumping above guys like Lekkerimaki. Nazar wasn’t a guy that was riding on lists over the past few months, at best he’s heading into the draft the same way teams were viewing him in Jabruary (mid 1st type guy).

Guys like Kasper, Korchinski, Pickering, Firkus, Beck, Goyette have all seen their stocks rise quite immensely over the past few months, among others. Nazar, while a very good prospect who isn’t out of place at 10 or so, hasn’t had the same type of growth in the scouting world, he’s likely sitting around the same spot he was in Janruary on Mckenzies list among NHL scouts (14th). But then guys like a Korchinski, Mintyukov and Kasper all will jump ahead of him, and then maybe 4
3 or so guys ahead of him will fall behind him. He’s likely a guy ranked ~15th on Mckenzies final list.
 
Qward said:
I think we should look at Luca Hauf with one of our later picks.
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Yes Please!

Don't know if he has the pace to keep up with NHL skaters but man is he smart and the puck follows him around the ice. No Bias from me at all here. ZERO.
 
Qward said:
I saw the 14 pts in 3 games and started drooling.
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Yeah, it's definitely impressive, even just looking at it in a vacuum.

For context: Veit Oswald, a player HF has seemed to fall in love with following his performance at the u18's put up a 1.65 PPG average over the season. 51 points in 31 games. He is a good prospect because of skating alone but he is not on the level as Hauf at this stage.

Luca Hauf averaged a 4.67 PPG average. Yes, it's a small sample size but it goes to show just how much better he is than his peers. He and his teammate, Slovenian Marcel Mahkovec, who IMO is the best Slovenian prospect since Kopitar and a guy who is severely flying under the radar lit up the German u23 league as Draft Eligibles which is much more impressive.
 
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BondraTime said:
Guys that get invited to the combine go undrafted every year. An invite doesn’t guarantee a high selection, especially for outlier players like Sparkes. Interviews and testing really aren’t going to decide much, one way or another. The invites for some players are to confirm things. When teams see a 6’8 player, they’re going to light up the same way they did with Curtis Douglas, usually the size makes teams make decisions based on the numbers after the height and weight rather than the players themselves which leads to so many terrible drafting decisions over the years.

Sparkes is a 5th-7th round guy, and that’s only because of his size. He’s not an NHL level prospect if he wasn’t that big, and even with his size I don’t think he’s worth a pick. 6th on his OJHL team in defensive scoring, not worth a pick in the draft, would just be throwing a pick away on a hope and a dream.

Guys that size are as rare as guys that are 5’6, and those that make it are putting up strong numbers in much better leagues.

His one ranking of 127th NA has him on the edge of drafted/undrafted, though his 6’8 height will guarantee someone takes him higher than his play dictates.

Last year from rankings 120-130 NA, 4/11 were drafted (6th round being highest) strange year with Covid.

2020 from 120-130 NA, 3/11 were drafted strange year with covid

2019 from 120-130 NA, 6/11 were drafted

2018 from 120-130 NA, 3/11 were drafted

2017 from 120-130 NA, 6/11 were drafted.
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Thanks for informing me. It had been a few years since they did the combine so I was trying to make a guess based on memory. From what I remembered the majority of combine invites tend to go within the first 3 rounds. I can't recall the last combine invite that went undrafted though but I guess there must be some.

As for Jack Sparkes, I don't really know anything about him other than he is massive and plays defense. I can't recall the last player drafted out of the OJHL and his stats there don't look all that impressive. I was surprised he got the combine invite so it lead me to believe that scouts must see something in him.

Have you watched any of his play or read any reports on him? I like to at least see some clips to make a read and I haven't been able to find any. I wonder what his play actually looks like. There are other giant prospects that didn't get the invite to the combine and a some of them play in more reputable leagues so I am curious what scouts see in Sparkes.
 
RAFI BOMB said:
Thanks for informing me. It had been a few years since they did the combine so I was trying to make a guess based on memory. From what I remembered the majority of combine invites tend to go within the first 3 rounds. I can't recall the last combine invite that went undrafted though but I guess there must be some.

As for Jack Sparkes, I don't really know anything about him other than he is massive and plays defense. I can't recall the last player drafted out of the OJHL and his stats there don't look all that impressive. I was surprised he got the combine invite so it lead me to believe that scouts must see something in him.

Have you watched any of his play or read any reports on him? I like to at least see some clips to make a read and I haven't been able to find any. I wonder what his play actually looks like. There are other giant prospects that didn't get the invite to the combine and a some of them play in more reputable leagues so I am curious what scouts see in Sparkes.
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From what I have seen of Sparkes - he is just a big, mean, imposing defender where teams are looking at size more than anything, doesn't skate the best, and doesn't have good offensive instincts - Don't see anything more than a bottom-pairing guy as a ceiling for the kid. Wouldn't select this kid unless he was in the seventh round, similar to Chandler Romeo last year.

The OJHL is actually a league that alot of Ontario kids play that want to take the college route and is scouted rather well. Players are selected from it most years.
 
GermanSpitfire said:
From what I have seen of Sparkes - he is just a big, mean, imposing defender where teams are looking at size more than anything, doesn't skate the best, and doesn't have good offensive instincts - Don't see anything more than a bottom-pairing guy as a ceiling for the kid. Wouldn't select this kid unless he was in the seventh round, similar to Chandler Romeo last year.

The OJHL is actually a league that alot of Ontario kids play that want to take the college route and is scouted rather well. Players are selected from it most years.
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How mean is he though? Drafting depth shutdown d men late in the draft can be a good strategy. But if you are going to draft a physically imposing player they might as well be one of the meanest and toughest SOBs in years. Sometimes teams draft players with a lot of size that have a bit of meanness in their game but often times they don't appear to be mean enough or nasty enough for the role they will be projected to play.
 
RAFI BOMB said:
How mean is he though? Drafting depth shutdown d men late in the draft can be a good strategy. But if you are going to draft a physically imposing player they might as well be one of the meanest and toughest SOBs in years. Sometimes teams draft players with a lot of size that have a bit of meanness in their game but often times they don't appear to be mean enough or nasty enough for the role they will be projected to play.
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He isn't a Matt Carkner if that's what you're looking for. A simple glance at his PIMS shows that. He finished 34th in his league in PIMS. Even if you extrapolate that to PIM per game, he isn't top-20. Nothing crazy about that at all really - maybe he can grow more into that role, and I assume that's what you'd hope out of him but at this stage - He is quite honestly just big.
 
GermanSpitfire said:
He isn't a Matt Carkner if that's what you're looking for. A simple glance at his PIMS shows that. He finished 34th in his league in PIMS. Even if you extrapolate that to PIM per game, he isn't top-20. Nothing crazy about that at all really - maybe he can grow more into that role, and I assume that's what you'd hope out of him but at this stage - He is quite honestly just big.
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Well I think with giant players you are hunting for a Zdeno Chara type but they are pretty damn hard to find. I would want for them to be as physically imposing as Chara or someone like Byfuglien or Pronger. If they aren't nearly as skilled I would want them to be like Evgeni Artyukhin or Derek Boogaard. They should be obliterating players with hits and creating some serious intimidation.
 
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RAFI BOMB said:
Thanks for informing me. It had been a few years since they did the combine so I was trying to make a guess based on memory. From what I remembered the majority of combine invites tend to go within the first 3 rounds. I can't recall the last combine invite that went undrafted though but I guess there must be some.

As for Jack Sparkes, I don't really know anything about him other than he is massive and plays defense. I can't recall the last player drafted out of the OJHL and his stats there don't look all that impressive. I was surprised he got the combine invite so it lead me to believe that scouts must see something in him.

Have you watched any of his play or read any reports on him? I like to at least see some clips to make a read and I haven't been able to find any. I wonder what his play actually looks like. There are other giant prospects that didn't get the invite to the combine and a some of them play in more reputable leagues so I am curious what scouts see in Sparkes.
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The last 3 combines in 2017-2018-2019 the following attended and were not drafted, usually 4-5 guys every combine.

Billy Constantinou
Cameron Rowe
Taylor Gauthier
Keegan Karki
Kristien Reichel
Carter Robertson
Antoine Crete-Belzille
Joel Teasedale
Thomas Miller
Dayton Rasmussen
Nate Knopkne

Never watched him play, just going on a completely league/stats/age/sized based metric. Doesn’t seem like a wise pick anywhere in the draft, completely based on size.
 
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So if we keep the pick who are the top 7 guys you want at 7?


I haven't watched much, mainly just based on what I've read I'm thinking:

Slafkovsky
Wright
Nemec
Jiricek
Cooley
Savoie
Lekkermaki
 
Didn’t love Mann’s interview with TSN1200 just now. Seemed sort of thrown off by JR insinuating that the Sens didn’t have a great 2021 draft, which is unlike him.

His answer about drafting players that are hard to obtain in Free Agency on a decent contract or via Trade is worrisome.

Sounds like in the case of Boucher, they identified him as potentially a really good role player down the line, and something Ottawa will eventually need vs taking the player with the most potential.

Like I get it if you were trying to put the finishing touches on a team and the player appears to be NHL ready, but our roster is far from set in stone.

AND, while he doesn’t have the size, is there any doubt that Greig won’t be a better option at RW for us?
 
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That bothers me. Top 10 picks you go for skills. Something that cannot be taught.
Role players go in later rounds.

benjiv1 said:
AND, while he doesn’t have the size, is there any doubt that Greig won’t be a better option at RW for us?
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Imagine he turned into a Marchand type player? An agitator with a scoring touch.
 
benjiv1 said:
Didn’t love Mann’s interview with TSN1200 just now. Seemed sort of thrown off by JR insinuating that the Sens didn’t have a great 2021 draft, which is unlike him.

His answer about drafting players that are hard to obtain in Free Agency on a decent contract or via Trade is worrisome.

Sounds like in the case of Boucher, they identified him as potentially a really good role player down the line, and something Ottawa will eventually need vs taking the player with the most potential.

Like I get it if you were trying to put the finishing touches on a team and the player appears to be NHL ready, but our roster is far from set in stone.

AND, while he doesn’t have the size, is there any doubt that Greig won’t be a better option at RW for us?
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Drafting for need is the biggest mistake a team can make. Because what might not be a need one year, can become a need one year later
 
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