NHL Entry Draft 2022 NHL Draft Thread - Part 2

[Burrowsaurus]

How so.

We’ve played the teams we can’t beat. And now were playing the teams we can. And we are bottom ten

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I disagree. A consistently accurate predictor of a teams standing year in and year out is goal differential. We are currently better than 9 other teams in goal differential.

Not all teams are trending in the right direction. I see the teams making a jump next year as Ottawa, Buffalo and Anaheim. I see Detroit being improving slightly and LA regressing a little.

Anton Forsberg has been giving us Vezina level goaltending though.

If it's sustainable great, but we have to take into account the role a hot goalie plays in those numbers.

 

[GCK]

We’ve played the teams we can’t beat. And now were playing the teams we can. And we are bottom ten

You missed the part where I said as currently constructed. We will have Sanderson, Pinto, Hamonic and Joseph. Our roster is no longer bottom 10 as those players replace guys like J Brown, Tierney, Gaudette, Ennis etc.

 

[GCK]

Anton Forsberg has been giving us Vezina level goaltending though.

If it's sustainable great, but we have to take into account the role a hot goalie plays in those numbers.

He’s been good but it’s above average not Vezina calibre.

His first 9 games .899 SV% 3.64 GAA. He was part of the problem at the start.

 

[Micklebot]

Anton Forsberg has been giving us Vezina level goaltending though.

If it's sustainable great, but we have to take into account the role a hot goalie plays in those numbers.

there are 8 goalies this year with more games played and a better sv% than Forsberg, he's not on the radar at all. Even if you exclude his slow start, and take his most generous sample starting with the shutout against TBay, he's tied for 4th with 4 other guys and there's a substantial gap to get to 3rd.

 

[Boud]

there are 8 goalies this year with more games played and a better sv% than Forsberg, he's not on the radar at all. Even if you exclude his slow start, and take his most generous sample starting with the shutout against TBay, he's tied for 4th with 4 other guys and there's a substantial gap to get to 3rd.

Let's be honest though... What would be the high danger scoring chances against for a team like Colorado/Carolina vs Ottawa?

I have a hard time believing many goalies in the league would have .917 save % on this team.

To be clear I'm not saying he should even be in the conversation, anyway that's not how the voting usually goes but to me he's been providing goaltending that's absolutely incredible. Like the saves he's making on a nightly basis is very top of the league.

Let's hope he can keep it up.

 

[Micklebot]

Let's be honest though... What would be the high danger scoring chances against for a team like Colorado/Carolina vs Ottawa?

I have a hard time believing many goalies in the league would have .917 save % on this team.

To be clear I'm not saying he should even be in the conversation, anyway that's not how the voting usually goes but to me he's been providing goaltending that's absolutely incredible. Like the saves he's making on a nightly basis is very top of the league.

Let's hope he can keep it up.

If your looking for a fancy stat evaluation of goaltending, Naturalstatrick has Goals saved above average/60 but he's well down the list on that front.

In terms of High Danger shots against/60 at 5v5, he's middle of the pack among goalies with 1800+ mins, so I don't think he's as hung out to dry as it may seem. He's actually right by Shesterkin Sorkin and Keumper in that metric who are the top three goalies I mentioned ahead of him

He's playing very well, Idk if we can call it vezina caliber though.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You missed the part where I said as currently constructed. We will have Sanderson, Pinto, Hamonic and Joseph. Our roster is no longer bottom 10 as those players replace guys like J Brown, Tierney, Gaudette, Ennis etc.

Well I mean I would argue we are winning now because it’s garbage game season. Just like last year. I don’t know if those 4 take us out of the bottom 10.

 

[Dan Patrick]

Well I mean I would argue we are winning now because it’s garbage game season. Just like last year. I don’t know if those 4 take us out of the bottom 10.

I think you could argue though that not having Norris, Batherson, Chabot and C. Brown (along with White and Pinto) for huge stretches of the season also factors into things. You aren't going to win a lot of games missing multiple top players on a team and we've unfortunately had huge chunks of the season missed by some of our best players and good depth players.

While I don't think the team makes the playoffs this year with a even remotely healthy lineup (the Atlantic was locked in by January 1st) I think we would have played much closer to .500 hockey then what we saw this season.

Would this season have been considered a success if we went exactly .500 like the Blue Jackets and been eliminated from the playoffs in game 70 instead of game 30 and drafted 13th overall?

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

there are 8 goalies this year with more games played and a better sv% than Forsberg, he's not on the radar at all. Even if you exclude his slow start, and take his most generous sample starting with the shutout against TBay, he's tied for 4th with 4 other guys and there's a substantial gap to get to 3rd.

Not saying he should win the vezina but he is definitely one of the best goaltenders in the league this year.

Almost every game we play, Forsberg is outplaying his opposition in net and keeping the Senators in it despite them being outplayed most games.

Performance wise he is up there even if his sv, gaa, and wins might not be.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Do the Sens consider targeting another German kid given the success of Stützle? I guess we will see how Lutz looks in the U18 tournament.

 

[bert]

He’s been good but it’s above average not Vezina calibre.

His first 9 games .899 SV% 3.64 GAA. He was part of the problem at the start.

I mean the team was absolutely atrocious at the start. No goalie plays well under those circumstances.

I think you could argue though that not having Norris, Batherson, Chabot and C. Brown (along with White and Pinto) for huge stretches of the season also factors into things. You aren't going to win a lot of games missing multiple top players on a team and we've unfortunately had huge chunks of the season missed by some of our best players and good depth players.

While I don't think the team makes the playoffs this year with a even remotely healthy lineup (the Atlantic was locked in by January 1st) I think we would have played much closer to .500 hockey then what we saw this season.

Would this season have been considered a success if we went exactly .500 like the Blue Jackets and been eliminated from the playoffs in game 70 instead of game 30 and drafted 13th overall?

Thats definitely part of it but at the same time good teams win alot more during that stretch than the sens did. They find ways to win. Pittsburgh was without Crosby and Malkin for a massive parts of the year and found ways to stay in games.

Ottawa is probably better than their record but not close to being a playoff team yet. Next year was when I expected this group to start to push for a playoff spot. I think they will be alot closer next year than this year. Hopefully have better luck with injuries and find a way to cut some more of the dead weight dragging this team down and add a veteran or two that can contribute.

As for the draft this team would really benefit from a top 3 pick this year they need one more blue chipper. They havent had any draft lottery luck at all maybe they finally catch a break.

Praying for Slafkovsky.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Do the Sens consider targeting another German kid given the success of Stützle? I guess we will see how Lutz looks in the U18 tournament.

Since I know German prospects better than almost anyone on this site, i’ll give some insights.

Lutz missed the beginning 60% of the season due to injury. It’s a real shame because many in German hockey circles projected Lutz as a potential 1st rounder going into the year.

Lutz is a great skater, is ultra competitive especially on the forecheck, and boasts an impressive understanding for the game.

He needs to improve his shot and I have found st times his puck handling skills have trouble keeping up with his wheels. Like most players his age he needs help with ironing out the defensive side of the game.

Lutz likley projects as a winger at the next level and I don’t know how high his potential can be because of injury’s this season.

I project he goes in the second or third round.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Since I know German prospects better than almost anyone on this site, i’ll give some insights.

Lutz missed the beginning 60% of the season due to injury. It’s a real shame because many in German hockey circles projected Lutz as a potential 1st rounder going into the year.

Lutz is a great skater, is ultra competitive especially on the forecheck, and boasts an impressive understanding for the game.

He needs to improve his shot and I have found st times his puck handling skills have trouble keeping up with his wheels. Like most players his age he needs help with ironing out the defensive side of the game.

Lutz likley projects as a winger at the next level and I don’t know how high his potential can be because of injury’s this season.

I project he goes in the second or third round.

How physical is he? Does he make big hits? Does he agitate? Also which players do you think he is stylistically comparable to?

 

[bert]

Wright preformed at an impressive rate this season. Out of all draft eligible players he produced at the highest clip.

It feels like people are trying hard to find someone else at #1 when nothing against the rest of the crop, it’s not really close.

He was an absolute dog at the last 67's game. Behind the play all night. I really dont want the sens to pick him if they have 1st. Slafkovsky has way higher upside. Hell Goyette has looked like a better player in the OHL this year. Gotta wonder what his production looks like playing on that stacked Kingston team.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

He was an absolute dog at the last 67's game. Behind the play all night. I really dont want the sens to pick him if they have 1st. Slafkovsky has way higher upside. Hell Goyette has looked like a better player in the OHL this year. Gotta wonder what his production looks like playing on that stacked Kingston team.

Nothing against Slafkovsky, but at times I worry he is all tools no toolbox. Maybe simular to how Puljujarvi was in his draft year in some regards.

I have Slaf at 3 but the only player who comes close to Wright in my opinion is Cooley and Wright and Cooley are very similar centremen where I give the edge to Shane because of height.

 

[bert]

Nothing against Slafkovsky, but at times I worry he is all tools no toolbox. Maybe simular to how Puljujarvi was in his draft year in some regards.

I have Slaf at 3 but the only player who comes close to Wright in my opinion is Cooley and Wright and Cooley are very similar centremen where I give the edge to Shane because of height.

Slafkovsky has way way way better hands than Puljujarvi, better motor too. A much better player they really arent comparable for me. In My opinion Wright doesnt have the tools. Low end motor not a great skater. I wouldnt touch Wright with first there has to be better options.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Slafkovsky has way way way better hands than Puljujarvi, better motor too. A much better player. In My opinion Wright doesnt have the tools. Low end motor not a great skater. I wouldnt touch Wright with first there has to be better options.

Slafkovsky never produced as well as Puljujarvi did in his draft year. Puljujarvi as a prospect was superior. He had just lead the WJC in scoring on route to a gold medal and MVP at 17 years old.

Puljujarvi draft year:

2015-16

Karpat

SM-liiga

50GP

13G

15A

28PTS

22PIM

Slafkovsky draft year:

2021-22

TPS Turku

SM-liiga

31GP

5G

5A

10PTS

33PIM

Here was a scouting report on Puljujarvi before he was drafted into the NHL:

“Puljujarvi is an extremely dangerous player who can be used in any situation, and being 6’3 doesn’t hinder his ability to adapt to a variety of situations; he can play on the power play, kill penalties, take a man out with a hit or cleanly stick handle in very tight spaces. He owns an excellent shot, only it’s slightly less accurate than the sharpshooting Laine. Puljujarvi’s at his best when he’s got the puck in full flight, but that doesn’t mean he’s rendered useless during the slogging matches. He’s really mature and has a genuine “die hard” mentality. Even more impressive is that he rarely, if ever, gets complacent. Struggle he most certainly has, but the effort is never in question. We view him as an elite power forward with star potential, and quite possibly the best Finnish prospect in almost 30 years. His somewhat marginal production in the men’s league is misleading; he’s one of Karpat’s most productive forwards in terms of generating shots, and a post-WJC spike should be expected in spite of a recent drop in ice time.”

Sounds rather similar to Slafkovsky, no?

Again, I like Slafkovsky. But I do question his ability to think the game at a high level.

We must be watching two completely different players because Wright has all the tools to be a 1A/B centre at the next level. He may not be “elite” in every facet of the game but he is similar to Crosby in that regard where he doesn't have to be. He thinks the game at an elite level.
You mentioned his skating as a weakness but I couldn’t disagree more. He is an excellent skater with above average speed, acceleration, agility and balance. He is very difficult to knock off the puck once the puck is on his stick. He doesn’t need “McDavid” level speed to be an effective forward.
I also don’t understand how you can question his motor. He has amazing work ethic from everything i’ve gathered and is beloved in the locker room. You talk about guys that’ll help you win, Wright is it.

I understand why some people are down on Wright, they expected more offensive consistently from him this season but at the end of the day it’s best not to overthink this based on a short sample size of Slafkovsky’s showing at the olympics over Wright’s high level consistent play over the past 3 seasons.

 

[bert]

Slafkovsky never produced as well as Puljujarvi did in his draft year. Puljujarvi as a prospect was superior. He had just lead the WJC in scoring on route to a gold medal and MVP at 17 years old.

Puljujarvi draft year:
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[TD]2015-16[/TD]
[TD]Karpat[/TD]
[TD]SM-liiga[/TD]
[TD]50GP[/TD]
[TD]13G[/TD]
[TD]15A[/TD]
[TD]28PTS[/TD]
[TD]22PIM[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Slafkovsky draft year:
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[TR]
[TD]2021-22[/TD]
[TD]TPS Turku[/TD]
[TD]SM-liiga[/TD]
[TD]31GP[/TD]
[TD]5G[/TD]
[TD]5A[/TD]
[TD]10PTS[/TD]
[TD]33PIM[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Here was a scouting report on Puljujarvi before he was drafted into the NHL:

“Puljujarvi is an extremely dangerous player who can be used in any situation, and being 6’3 doesn’t hinder his ability to adapt to a variety of situations; he can play on the power play, kill penalties, take a man out with a hit or cleanly stick handle in very tight spaces. He owns an excellent shot, only it’s slightly less accurate than the sharpshooting Laine. Puljujarvi’s at his best when he’s got the puck in full flight, but that doesn’t mean he’s rendered useless during the slogging matches. He’s really mature and has a genuine “die hard” mentality. Even more impressive is that he rarely, if ever, gets complacent. Struggle he most certainly has, but the effort is never in question. We view him as an elite power forward with star potential, and quite possibly the best Finnish prospect in almost 30 years. His somewhat marginal production in the men’s league is misleading; he’s one of Karpat’s most productive forwards in terms of generating shots, and a post-WJC spike should be expected in spite of a recent drop in ice time.”

Sounds rather similar to Slafkovsky, no?

Again, I like Slafkovsky. But I do question his ability to think the game at a high level.

We must be watching two completely different players because Wright has all the tools to be a 1A/B centre at the next level. He may not be “elite” in every facet of the game but he is similar to Crosby in that regard where he doesn't have to be. He thinks the game at an elite level.
You mentioned his skating as a weakness but I couldn’t disagree more. He is an excellent skater with above average speed, acceleration, agility and balance. He is very difficult to knock off the puck once the puck is on his stick. He doesn’t need “McDavid” level speed to be an effective forward.
I also don’t understand how you can question his motor. He has amazing work ethic from everything i’ve gathered and is beloved in the locker room. You talk about guys that’ll help you win, Wright is it.

I understand why some people are down on Wright, they expected more offensive consistently from him this season but at the end of the day it’s best not to overthink this based on a short sample size of Slafkovsky’s showing at the olympics over Wright’s high level consistent play over the past 3 seasons.

I know what I have seen in the games I have watched. I have seen enough of both players to make my own opinions. I watched Puljujarvi and he was quite clearly the third best player on his line at the WJC. I dont like relying on other peoples scouting reports if I have had enough exposure my self. Appreciate your post but Slafkovsky stood out the moment I watched him at the WJC. His raw abilities are tremendous. He has also played very well in the second half of the year as a 17 year old in a native country in a new league. I can absolutely question Wrights motor, he has been invisible many times in fact he literally stood out on Friday night for how lazy he was. Never in my life has I ever seen Crosby play like that.

Shane Wright and Crosby should never be put in the same sentence. Wright doesnt have anywhere close to Crosby's compete, motor and drive. They are nothing alike in that regard. This has absolutely nothing to do with Wrights production for me. This is based on multiple viewings. I am talking about what these players project to be not what they did over the past 3 seasons its where they are trending.

You also questioned me when I said I liked Quinn over Rossi and it wasnt very close. Its not about the production its what they project to do at the next level and their physical abilities and where they will end up.

Of course I could be wrong but thats how I feel sorry if you dont agree.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

How physical is he? Does he make big hits? Does he agitate? Also which players do you think he is stylistically comparable to?

Lutz definitely doesn’t bring much physicality to the game. He more relys on his positioning and agression on the forecheck to force turnovers. I wouldn’t say he is an agitator at this point but Lutz is definitely a player I can see add that to his game as his career progresses.
His game actually reminds me of Michael Bunting. I don’t think Lutz would ever be able to drive a line’s offence on his own but can be a nice complementary piece in a teams lineup.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Here are the first three games of the MHL final. Red Army has a few giants in Dolzhenkov (26) and Averochkin (75) and SKA has a few overagers that I have heard good things about in Krovyakov (96) and Dishkovsky (55). There could be some interesting mid to late round picks playing in these games.

 

[Rusty7550]

A lot of NHL scouts were in Nitra to watch Nemec (possibly Sykora too). Most of them were Ottawa scouts (4) and Anaheim (also 4).