NHL Entry Draft 2022 NHL Draft Thread - Part 2

[L'Aveuglette]

I think 98% of the fans are happy and prefer the loss. But unless they actively tank and try to lose (which I don't think is feasible), there's just nothing that can be done about it. There's a couple people on this board that think losing the game is in our control, I'm not sure what they're expecting professional athletes trying to earn their next contract to do.

Teams have purposefully tanked many, many times. It's not that hard.

 

[Micklebot]

I think 98% of the fans are happy and prefer the loss. But unless they actively tank and try to lose (which I don't think is feasible), there's just nothing that can be done about it. There's a couple people on this board that think losing the game is in our control, I'm not sure what they're expecting professional athletes trying to earn their next contract to do.

Depends what you mean by try and lose. Dress your backup to start, don't throw out to top line against the weakest opposition lines, give the bottom pair more mins, don't put the shutdown pair out against their top line, give Zaitsev more mins including PP time, ect. Lots you can do that impacts the W/L.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Wright is a centre through and through. If Ottawa were lucky enough to win the lottery - I think that it’ll allow one of Pinto/Greig to be expendable and made available for trade.

in the extremely unlikely occurrence that that this happens, I would say play Wright on the 2nd line wing spot with Tim, and have each of them taking strong side draws!

Tkachuk - Norris - Joseph/Brown
Wright - Stutzle - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Brown/Joseph
Kelly - Kastelic - Watson
Ennis

with either Wright or Stutzle taking draws on their strong side could be really goood

 

[bashbros32]

Wright is a centre through and through. If Ottawa were lucky enough to win the lottery - I think that it’ll allow one of Pinto/Greig to be expendable and made available for trade.

in that case who gets the "third" line duties? I see all of Stutzle - Norris and Wright as 1a 1b types...

 

[Cosmix]

There is some pretty twisted logic going on in here. Since when is losing something we should cheering for? Don't care where we pick, as it has been shown more than a few times stars can come from any draft position. Busts happen in the top 10 as well, so again, why would you want your team to intentionally develop losing habits?

I get that some want the highest pick possible but what kind of message are you sending to the team and to the fans if you don't try winning every game you can.

As a player I could care less about the draft, I want to win, especially against teams that are above us in the standings!!! As a fan, I want my team to play as hard as they can, if they lose so be it, at least they gave an honest effort. Odds are that effort can be the difference between winning and losing so again I want my team playing as hard as possible... f... losing!! especially on purpose as some would have it.

As management, I certainly don't want to see the players I'm paying good money to just loaf around the ice so that we might get a higher pick... Winning breeds winning... never too late or too early to start.

Last thing is karma is a thing, don't mess with it!!!

Better players means winning.

 

[Cosmix]

Depends what you mean by try and lose. Dress your backup to start, don't throw out to top line against the weakest opposition lines, give the bottom pair more mins, don't put the shutdown pair out against their top line, give Zaitsev more mins including PP time, ect. Lots you can do that impacts the W/L.

Could also trade away some of your older vets who have no long term future on the team. Like Montreal did.

 

[SlapJack]

Teams have purposefully tanked many, many times. It's not that hard.

Typically by trading off all their talent and leaving a shell of a team behind. Ottawa did that already.

Scratching healthy good players in order to lose would piss me off if I paid to see them play and the league would probably frown on that as well

 

[Cosmix]

Wright is a centre through and through. If Ottawa were lucky enough to win the lottery - I think that it’ll allow one of Pinto/Greig to be expendable and made available for trade.

Maybe. Another option is to convert a C to a wing. It's been done many times as Centers tend to be better skaters and have higher puck skills.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Maybe. Another option is to convert a C to a wing. It's been done many times as Centers tend to be better skaters and have higher puck skills.

Norris is a natural centre so he is off the table, as is Pinto.
That leaves Stutzle and he has preformed much better at C in his young career thus far than on the wing.

It’ll be a tough call for sure.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

in that case who gets the "third" line duties? I see all of Stutzle - Norris and Wright as 1a 1b types...

Stützle back to wing and then the remaining of Greig/Pinto as #3C.

Of course these are all just hypotheticals but an interesting conversation nonetheless

 

[Cosmix]

Stützle back to wing and then the remaining of Greig/Pinto as #3C.

Of course these are all just hypotheticals but an interesting conversation nonetheless

Based on my viewings of Stutzle he is a better Center than a winger. Playing Wright if we get the #1 pick at wing and Greig at wing too might be good. Worth trying. There are many ways of spinning the lines around to find out which players work best with each other.

I see potential roster lines as :

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Wright - Stutzle - Greig
Formenton - Pinto - Brown
???? - ???? - ????

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[bashbros32]

Based on my viewings of Stutzle he is a better Center than a winger. Playing Wright if we get the #1 pick at wing and Greig at wing too might be good. Worth trying. There are many ways of spinning the lines around to find out which players work best with each other.

I see potential roster lines as :

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Wright - Stutzle - Greig
Formenton - Pinto - Brown
???? - ???? - ????

I'm not a huge fan of playing 2 rookies on the same top 6 line... Especially with someone who can't win faceoffs.

Gimme Greig on line 3 with Formenton and Pinto (even then Pinto-Greig both rookies)

 

[DDT]

You have to be able to think of this on 2 different levels or planes.

The first one is coaches and players. They will always want to win. They are athletes, they compete, its in their DNA & they will want to win.

Fans are the 2nd plane. Fans can want to get the best draft pick possible. They want their team to be successful. They can think about long term and what's best versus getting 2 or 3 (or "x") more wins.

Both of these planes can and do exist at the same time. There's nothing to be worried or get excited about. It isn't really a case of one versus the other, of having to choose one of these options. This is a congruent scenario versus an incongruent scenario. These opposites can exist in harmony at the same time. Its all good.

I like to think of it on a place called reality, where bitching about a loss more than a year later is doing no one any good.

 

[Icelevel]

Norris is a natural centre so he is off the table, as is Pinto.
That leaves Stutzle and he has preformed much better at C in his young career thus far than on the wing.

It’ll be a tough call for sure.

Assume it’s not happening (getting wright).
But Norris is easily moved to right wing and stutzle is easily moved to left wing. In the case we had better center options that is.

 

[Cosmix]

Assume it’s not happening (getting wright).
But Norris is easily moved to right wing and stutzle is easily moved to left wing. In the case we had better center options that is.

Agreed.

The key attributes of a center depend on the strategy and tactics used by the coaches.

One key attribute is taking & winning face-offs.

Another would be the ability to carry the puck without losing it to checkers and then make accurate and timely passes to the wingers for dangerous shots on net (i.e., playmakers).

Another would be the ability to forecheck and backcheck effectively at a high speed, as centers generally are required to go deep into the O zone and then come back deep into the D zone.

Wingers generally do not have to take face-offs, nor be as good at carrying the puck up the ice, nor having to play a 200 foot game since they are supposed to cover the opponent defencemen at the points when in the D zone.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Lekkerimäki is probably our best target unless Kemell is somehow available.

 

[DJB]

I dont see moving Tim back to wing as a good idea. Hes thriving at C atm. To me Norris looks like he could transition easier to wingso he could remain top 6

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I dont see moving Tim back to wing as a good idea. Hes thriving at C atm. To me Norris looks like he could transition easier to wingso he could remain top 6

PPG player with some of the best puck possession and breakout metrics in the entire league in 2nd half.

Yea, no way we goes back to the middle. Time to complement him with good talent and poof.

 

[Big Muddy]

I like to think of it on a place called reality, where bitching about a loss more than a year later is doing no one any good.

OK, but not sure how your reply/post relates to the topic being discussed. Not to worry though.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Buffalo passed Detroit 69 pts 4gr
Detroit 68 pts 6gr
Ottawa 63 pts 7gr

Have to hope Ottawa plays no better than .500 hockey to close it out.

Sens @kraken, @CANUCKS, @CBJ vs Habs, vs Devils, vs Panthers, @Flyers
Det @Lightning, @Panthers, vs Penguins, @devils, @Leafs, @devils
Buf @devils, vs Isles, @Bruins, vs Hawks

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[SquidNasty]

Buffalo passed Detroit 69 pts 4gr
Detroit 68 pts 6gr
Ottawa 63 pts 7gr

Have to hope Ottawa plays no better than .500 hockey to close it out.

Sens @kraken, @CANUCKS, @CBJ vs Habs, vs Devils, vs Panthers, @Flyers
Det @Lightning, @Panthers, vs Penguins, @devils, @Leafs, @devils
Buf @devils, vs Isles, @Bruins, vs Hawks

Not an easy schedule for Detroit, they could drop almost all of their games. Really hope we manage to stay behind them and Buffalo but I have my doubts.

Best case scenario is an ugly skid for Ottawa and we finish behind CHI and NJD. Philly looks out of reach at this point.

Ottawa has been playing some great hockey lately so if I had to put money on it I’d say we finish 8th last.

 

[LeProspector]

Ottawa should be after either a forward with high offensive upside, preferably a player who is good in transition.

Or one of the three high end RHD available in the draft in Nemec, Jiricek and Luneau.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]