NHL Entry Draft 2022 NHL Draft Thread - Part 2

[Wallet Inspector]

Funny thing is that the winning streak last year wouldn't even have looked as bad if we just picked Sillinger instead of a guy ranked in the 2nd round.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Great Motor on this kid. We could do worse late 2nd early 3rd... heck we have done worse.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

I just hope Ottawa leaves the draft with at least one of the RHD that are poised to go in the top 2 rounds because it’s definitely a position of weakness for Ottawa going forward.

Nemec, Jiricek, Luneau are undoubtedly the top 3 and are all guys that I wouldn’t mind Ottawa picking up with their first

Then you have a decent drop off

Then Warren, Chelsey, Lamoreaux, Nelson, Casey, Salomonsson, Rinzel and Kyrou in the tier of RHD available and some of these guys should he available when Ottawa’s second comes around.

Mind you I would have Warren right after Luneau but I know many don’t feel the same.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Great Motor on this kid. We could do worse late 2nd early 3rd... heck we have done worse.

I love Roher, I have him ranked at #30 in my
latest ranking.

Here was my write up:

“Hardworking goal scoring winger is a strong skater that reads the play well. He can be difficult to knock off the puck and battles hard along the boards. He has an underrated shot that can fool opposing goalies with how hard it can be.”

Definitely a guy that has gone overlooked so far. 67’s have been very kind to Austrian kids draft stock as of late.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I love Roher, I have him ranked at #30 in my
latest ranking.

Here was my write up:

“Hardworking goal scoring winger is a strong skater that reads the play well. He can be difficult to knock off the puck and battles hard along the boards. He has an underrated shot that can fool opposing goalies with how hard it can be.”

Definitely a guy that has gone overlooked so far. 67’s have been very kind to Austrian kids draft stock as of late.

Do you have your rankings posted? Where doe you have Firkus ?

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Do you have your rankings posted? Where doe you have Firkus ?

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...erm-nhl-draft-ranking.2778902/#post-173607327

Here they are.

And I had Firkus at #11, love the player.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Its about the process now for the Sens not the wins. What matters is next year out of the gate not finishing like world beaters in April when the season is shot. Not starting Sogaard in more games tells you all you need to know about DJ's mind set and you know our GM (Plenty of Picks Dorion) is not going to interfere.
I think this actually can do the team more harm than good. Dorion tends to grossly over estimate his own roster .. these wins will contribute to him thinking there is less need to add to the roster. See summer 2021.

Agreed. I'd send Soogard down and have Gus up playing in the NHL and Mads playing in the A. Pepper Forsberg in there for a few starts but let's let one of our goalie prospects play some NHL games to figure out what they need to take their game to the next level.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...erm-nhl-draft-ranking.2778902/#post-173607327

Here they are.

And I had Firkus at #11, love the player.

Nice thanks

 

[GCK]

I just hope Ottawa leaves the draft with at least one of the RHD that are poised to go in the top 2 rounds because it’s definitely a position of weakness for Ottawa going forward.

Nemec, Jiricek, Luneau are undoubtedly the top 3 and are all guys that I wouldn’t mind Ottawa picking up with their first

Then you have a decent drop off

Then Warren, Chelsey, Lamoreaux, Nelson, Casey, Salomonsson, Rinzel and Kyrou in the tier of RHD available and some of these guys should he available when Ottawa’s second comes around.

Mind you I would have Warren right after Luneau but I know many don’t feel the same.

I’m thinking we will be moving our own 2nd rounder so we probably will pick around 8th and 55-62. Who fits in those areas realistically.

 

[aragorn]

I’m thinking we will be moving our own 2nd rounder so we probably will pick around 8th and 55-62. Who fits in those areas realistically.

They have 2 3rd rd picks, they might use them to move up or some of their other picks to move up. My guess would be Noah Warren RD if he isn't selected much earlier, who knows?

 

[GermanSpitfire]

I’m thinking we will be moving our own 2nd rounder so we probably will pick around 8th and 55-62. Who fits in those areas realistically.

Realistically only a few of the guys I mentioned would still he on the board if that second is in fact, moved.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I’m thinking we will be moving our own 2nd rounder so we probably will pick around 8th and 55-62. Who fits in those areas realistically.

There is a decent player in that late 2nd group
Based on McKenzies and Buttons lists
Vinny Rohrer
Isaiah George
Dylan James
Artyom Duda
Matt Seminoff

McKenzie also has
Noah Warren
Gleb Trikozov
Ryan Greene

Button has
Lian Bichsel
Elias Salomonsson
Ryan Chesley
Maverick Lamoreux

 

[NHL Dude 120]

There is some pretty twisted logic going on in here. Since when is losing something we should cheering for? Don't care where we pick, as it has been shown more than a few times stars can come from any draft position. Busts happen in the top 10 as well, so again, why would you want your team to intentionally develop losing habits?

I get that some want the highest pick possible but what kind of message are you sending to the team and to the fans if you don't try winning every game you can.

As a player I could care less about the draft, I want to win, especially against teams that are above us in the standings!!! As a fan, I want my team to play as hard as they can, if they lose so be it, at least they gave an honest effort. Odds are that effort can be the difference between winning and losing so again I want my team playing as hard as possible... f... losing!! especially on purpose as some would have it.

As management, I certainly don't want to see the players I'm paying good money to just loaf around the ice so that we might get a higher pick... Winning breeds winning... never too late or too early to start.

Last thing is karma is a thing, don't mess with it!!!

Honestly screw karma screw the idiotic integrity of the game and hockey gods. We want to see a Stanley Cup contending team and this team doesn't have the skill for that.

Going from one of Clarke, Eklund, Guenther to Boucher simply for winning two more games. That's what I mean. I don't want a team who gets beaten in the 1st round I want to see a Stanley Cup contender being built.

And honestly karma has screwed us so screw it. I'm willing to take short term pain for long term gain.

 

[DDT]

Yeah, losing that game against the Leafs last year would have been terrible.

How bad would it be to have Brandt Clarke or Dylan Guenther instead of Tyler Boucher?

That win really set the precedent for winning this year, only took a month to be eliminated from the playoffs.

These wins at the end of the seasons mean little/nothing. Sens have done that almost every year, and then start the e next season off absolutely terrible.

So what would you rather had happened? That the coach sat everyone that mattered? That he told the players to slack off? That the players decided on their own to slack off?

 

[Senator Stanley]

So what would you rather had happened? That the coach sat everyone that mattered? That he told the players to slack off? That the players decided on their own to slack off?

I think generally speaking pro-tank people would like to see the team play well and also lose. Competitive games where the other team was just a little better. Although if you look at what the Toronto Raptors did last year, and how that led to them drafting Scottie Barnes, one could argue for an even more aggressive approach.

 

[OD99]

I think generally speaking pro-tank people would like to see the team play well and also lose. Competitive games where the other team was just a little better. Although if you look at what the Toronto Raptors did last year, and how that led to them drafting Scottie Barnes, one could argue for an even more aggressive approach.

Yes but how do you ensure losing?

It would be great if the team could improve significantly year over year yet still get a top 5 pick but that's not possible.

I could see us starting Gus a bunch more down the line but thats about it.

Chabot is out, Norris and Bath were both out yet we won some games...so what is the answer?

I get wanting to vent and last year stings but I am not about griping over something that can't be controlled.

 

[saskriders]

I just want a bunch of points from the young core guys.

Although I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be quick to jump on the tank bandwagon after a poor start next year. That top 3 is ridiculous.

 

[BondraTime]

So what would you rather had happened? That the coach sat everyone that mattered? That he told the players to slack off? That the players decided on their own to slack off?

I’d rather the team just lost, and we realized that creating a winning environment and or a losing environment by winning or losing a few games at the end of the season is made up narrative that doesn’t actually happen. They are going to come out to win the next season regardless of the record they had the final 10 games of the previous season.

I don’t expect the team to give up, that isn’t going to happen with pro athletes. I’d like to finish of a season, that has been over since the end of October, with the best pick possible.

We saw just last year, we watched a terrible team be eliminated from the playoffs a month in, then saw them win 10/14 to end the season. Went from 2nd overall ((3rd with Seattle added, so our choice of Mason McTavish, Luke Hughes, Simon Edvinsson, Brandt Clarke, Kent Johnson, etc.) to winning out to the 10th overall spot. That sucks for the team, and did absolutely nothing to cultivate a winning environment.
Don’t get me wrong, I know the players aren’t going to lose on purpose, or ever want to lose. I know the coaching staff can’t do that. I’m saying we should want them to be losing, as them winning a few games in a lost seasons does nothing to build a winning environment. They are going to come out next season and do anything they can to win, regardless of winning or losing a few games at the end of the year.

More losses in a throwaway season = better odds at better pick = better for the team moving forward.

I get wanting to see wins, that’s what any fans of teams should want. Once a season is done and over with, a higher pick helps much more than a consolation ribbon.

 

[Big Muddy]

There is some pretty twisted logic going on in here. Since when is losing something we should cheering for? Don't care where we pick, as it has been shown more than a few times stars can come from any draft position. Busts happen in the top 10 as well, so again, why would you want your team to intentionally develop losing habits?

I get that some want the highest pick possible but what kind of message are you sending to the team and to the fans if you don't try winning every game you can.

As a player I could care less about the draft, I want to win, especially against teams that are above us in the standings!!! As a fan, I want my team to play as hard as they can, if they lose so be it, at least they gave an honest effort. Odds are that effort can be the difference between winning and losing so again I want my team playing as hard as possible... f... losing!! especially on purpose as some would have it.

As management, I certainly don't want to see the players I'm paying good money to just loaf around the ice so that we might get a higher pick... Winning breeds winning... never too late or too early to start.

Last thing is karma is a thing, don't mess with it!!!

So what would you rather had happened? That the coach sat everyone that mattered? That he told the players to slack off? That the players decided on their own to slack off?

You have to be able to think of this on 2 different levels or planes.

The first one is coaches and players. They will always want to win. They are athletes, they compete, its in their DNA & they will want to win.

Fans are the 2nd plane. Fans can want to get the best draft pick possible. They want their team to be successful. They can think about long term and what's best versus getting 2 or 3 (or "x") more wins.

Both of these planes can and do exist at the same time. There's nothing to be worried or get excited about. It isn't really a case of one versus the other, of having to choose one of these options. This is a congruent scenario versus an incongruent scenario. These opposites can exist in harmony at the same time. Its all good.

 

[SlapJack]

In the freak occurrence that Ottawa wins the lottery and gets Shane Wright, what should they consider doing moving forward? They would have 4 centres that could all play in the top 6, and can all play the position well.

Options would of course include moving one of them to the wing or making a trade to improve a different position. They also have Grieg who is a potential 3rd line C.

 

[tstracuzza]

In the freak occurrence that Ottawa wins the lottery and gets Shane Wright, what should they consider doing moving forward? They would have 4 centres that could all play in the top 6, and can all play the position well.

Options would of course include moving one of them to the wing or making a trade to improve a different position. They also have Grieg who is a potential 3rd line C.

Keep them all. And play whoever on the wing. They should be able to adapt

Look what happened this year. We thought we had ok depth and the injuries made us use Tierney as a 1C

 

[bashbros32]

In the freak occurrence that Ottawa wins the lottery and gets Shane Wright, what should they consider doing moving forward? They would have 4 centres that could all play in the top 6, and can all play the position well.

Options would of course include moving one of them to the wing or making a trade to improve a different position. They also have Grieg who is a potential 3rd line C.

in the extremely unlikely occurrence that that this happens, I would say play Wright on the 2nd line wing spot with Tim, and have each of them taking strong side draws!

Tkachuk - Norris - Joseph/Brown
Wright - Stutzle - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Brown/Joseph
Kelly - Kastelic - Watson
Ennis

with either Wright or Stutzle taking draws on their strong side could be really good!

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Can't we keep out Tkachuk, Batherson and Stutzle out for a couple of games?? You know healthy scratch them

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I’d rather the team just lost, and we realized that creating a winning environment and or a losing environment by winning or losing a few games at the end of the season is made up narrative that doesn’t actually happen. They are going to come out to win the next season regardless of the record they had the final 10 games of the previous season.

I don’t expect the team to give up, that isn’t going to happen with pro athletes. I’d like to finish of a season, that has been over since the end of October, with the best pick possible.

We saw just last year, we watched a terrible team be eliminated from the playoffs a month in, then saw them win 10/14 to end the season. Went from 2nd overall ((3rd with Seattle added, so our choice of Mason McTavish, Luke Hughes, Simon Edvinsson, Brandt Clarke, Kent Johnson, etc.) to winning out to the 10th overall spot. That sucks for the team, and did absolutely nothing to cultivate a winning environment.
Don’t get me wrong, I know the players aren’t going to lose on purpose, or ever want to lose. I know the coaching staff can’t do that. I’m saying we should want them to be losing, as them winning a few games in a lost seasons does nothing to build a winning environment. They are going to come out next season and do anything they can to win, regardless of winning or losing a few games at the end of the year.

More losses in a throwaway season = better odds at better pick = better for the team moving forward.

I get wanting to see wins, that’s what any fans of teams should want. Once a season is done and over with, a higher pick helps much more than a consolation ribbon.

I think 98% of the fans are happy and prefer the loss. But unless they actively tank and try to lose (which I don't think is feasible), there's just nothing that can be done about it. There's a couple people on this board that think losing the game is in our control, I'm not sure what they're expecting professional athletes trying to earn their next contract to do.

 

[guyzeur]

Big 3 pts game today