NHL Entry Draft 2022 NHL Draft Thread - Part 2

[Oscar The Grouch]

The Sens pick is probably ranked 25-35 so they're still going to get their guy.

 

[GCK]

Overall it's frustrating. These idiots win now!! We need high end skilled players.

We are winning on the backs is Tkachuk, Stuetzle, Norris and Batherson. This is exactly what we should be excited about. This isn’t some vet led surge.

 

[Hale The Villain]

From what I have seen there's a clear top 4: Wright, Slafkovsky, Nemec and Cooley, and then a bunch of guys in the next tier.

I know people usually add Jiricek to that group, but from what I have seen, albeit in limited viewings, is a guy with a lot of great tools but pretty questionable decision making.

I'm not as pissed about rising in the standings as last year, where I thought there was a clear top 10. I just hope we don't rise to the point where the scouting staff can talk themselves into reaching for another guy who plays the physical style of game they want.

 

[Masked]

We are winning on the backs is Tkachuk, Stuetzle, Norris and Batherson. This is exactly what we should be excited about. This isn’t some vet led surge.

Lets not forget about Forsberg, who is playing like a top 10 goalie in the league right now. How he plays next season is the biggest question mark for me. If he keeps this up, this will be a team in playoff contention.

Assen na yo!

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

We are winning on the backs is Tkachuk, Stuetzle, Norris and Batherson. This is exactly what we should be excited about. This isn’t some vet led surge.

Yes, exact same story as last year.

3rd best team stats to finish off NHL season in last 15 games.

3-17 following year.

Hoping this is the year we get our due and win the lottery.

 

[GCK]

Lets not forget about Forsberg, who is playing like a top 10 goalie in the league right now. How he plays next season is the biggest question mark for me. If he keeps this up, this will be a team in playoff contention.

Assen na yo!

He’s 9th in SV% and 21st in GAA. With a better D corps and a small regression I would expect the GAA to remain near 2.7. I still can’t see playoffs next year but hopefully we aren’t out of it before Christmas again.

 

[GCK]

Yes, exact same story as last year.

3rd best team stats to finish off NHL season in last 15 games.

3-17 following year.

Hoping this is the year we get our due and win the lottery.

If the goalies can’t make a save for 2 months again next year it will be the same.

 

[R We A Team]

There is some pretty twisted logic going on in here. Since when is losing something we should cheering for? Don't care where we pick, as it has been shown more than a few times stars can come from any draft position. Busts happen in the top 10 as well, so again, why would you want your team to intentionally develop losing habits?

I get that some want the highest pick possible but what kind of message are you sending to the team and to the fans if you don't try winning every game you can.

As a player I could care less about the draft, I want to win, especially against teams that are above us in the standings!!! As a fan, I want my team to play as hard as they can, if they lose so be it, at least they gave an honest effort. Odds are that effort can be the difference between winning and losing so again I want my team playing as hard as possible... f... losing!! especially on purpose as some would have it.

As management, I certainly don't want to see the players I'm paying good money to just loaf around the ice so that we might get a higher pick... Winning breeds winning... never too late or too early to start.

Last thing is karma is a thing, don't mess with it!!!

 

[BondraTime]

There is some pretty twisted logic going on in here. Since when is losing something we should cheering for? Don't care where we pick, as it has been shown more than a few times stars can come from any draft position. Busts happen in the top 10 as well, so again, why would you want your team to intentionally develop losing habits?

I get that some want the highest pick possible but what kind of message are you sending to the team and to the fans if you don't try winning every game you can.

As a player I could care less about the draft, I want to win, especially against teams that are above us in the standings!!! As a fan, I want my team to play as hard as they can, if they lose so be it, at least they gave an honest effort. Odds are that effort can be the difference between winning and losing so again I want my team playing as hard as possible... f... losing!! especially on purpose as some would have it.

As management, I certainly don't want to see the players I'm paying good money to just loaf around the ice so that we might get a higher pick... Winning breeds winning... never too late or too early to start.

Last thing is karma is a thing, don't mess with it!!!

Yeah, losing that game against the Leafs last year would have been terrible.

How bad would it be to have Brandt Clarke or Dylan Guenther instead of Tyler Boucher?

That win really set the precedent for winning this year, only took a month to be eliminated from the playoffs.

These wins at the end of the seasons mean little/nothing. Sens have done that almost every year, and then start the e next season off absolutely terrible.

 

[Sting]

I'm all for building a winning culture and getting good performances from your young players that they can take into next year.

Unfortunately, these past drafts have shown that 1-2 placement spots can mean getting a potential star player or a mediocre long-shot.

 

[R We A Team]

Not saying a high pick is a bad thing, inviting a losing culture is not something I want my young players getting used to.

Also getting a high pick guarantees nothing, kid could get injured, lose interest, turn out to be a good junior but lousy pro, all kinds of possibilities for that "star" high pick to not make it as well.

Using Boucher as a reason to lose?? Sorry, I still don't buy into losing just for the possibility that another kid might turn out better.

This is a board that tends to complain about every move made or not made so I can see why some want to keep losing... more reasons to complain I guess. Some are just disguising it by saying they want a higher pick. Joking sorta but it does seem like that.

 

[BondraTime]

It makes zero difference whatsoever, these guys are pros and are going to head into the next year exactly the same way if they finish 10-5 rather than 5-10.

I mean we’ve seen the Sens go on winning streaks at the end of seasons, only to start the year in shambles and lose out on great draft picks. After a while you’d think we’d like to just lose the meaningless games and get the better picks.

We aren’t inviting a losing culture, this team is a losing culture. We developed the losing culture when we were eliminated from the playoffs a month into the season. Finishing the season with a higher pick is 100x better than an extra 3 meaningless wins.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

It makes zero difference whatsoever, these guys are pros and are going to head into the next year exactly the same way if they finish 10-5 rather than 5-10.

I mean the past 2 seasons the Sens went in huge winning streaks, only to start the year in shambles.

Exactly. Having that mindset once, sure, I was on board finishing strong.

When 2 years in a row they finish with strong winning streaks just to start next year abysmally, ya, give me the top pick any day of the week.

I've said this before I will say it again, Colorado had one of the worst losing seasons in NHL history and made playoffs year after.

Give me a potential franchise changing top 3 selection over a few meaningless wins when rest of the teams are not even taking us seriously/no serious implications on standing.

 

[PlayOn]

Sens are winning meaningless games but they’re also just better than the teams below them, so they are finishing roughly where they belong. I would be stunned if any of the teams currently below them were better than them next year - only NJ has a chance and I don’t think it’ll be the case.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Its about the process now for the Sens not the wins. What matters is next year out of the gate not finishing like world beaters in April when the season is shot. Not starting Sogaard in more games tells you all you need to know about DJ's mind set and you know our GM (Plenty of Picks Dorion) is not going to interfere.
I think this actually can do the team more harm than good. Dorion tends to grossly over estimate his own roster .. these wins will contribute to him thinking there is less need to add to the roster. See summer 2021.

 

[SlapJack]

Coaches and players will never give a rats ass about the draft going into each individual game. If they did, I wouldn't want them in the organization.

Griping about winning a few games at the end of the season because, "they do that every year and it hurts their draft position!" is generally a waste. They wouldn't have been in the bottom 3 of the league to begin with had they a healthy roster and not forced to play games with half the team in COVID protocol at the start of the season. And they also had a more difficult schedule in the first half.

Ottawa is a better team right now than Detroit, yet the Wings had a great start. Now they're showing their true colours. But because of that hot start, we'll be picking before Detroit barring some miracle.

Draft is crapshoot. Of course it's better to pick higher and get the guy you want, but there's always a fluctuation over who's better 3 years down the road. Everyone was pissed that they didn't get the chance to draft Lafreniere, but would anyone pick him over Stützle now?

And just because something happened last year, doesn't mean it's going to happen again this year. Win meaningless games, bugger the pick, then start like shit. So most are convinced we'll miss out on the top 5, pick another guy like Boucher (I e. McGroarty) too soon, then be shit all over again. Truth is we have no idea and it won't be like that at all

I want them to play well and show they can compete. Only bonus right now is if they do that and lose, then that's ok because it's better for the draft. But if they're garbage now and losing games because of it, bloody well right that's a sign of losing culture and it won't end ever.

They could always lose the last game of the season and end up moving down from 8th pick to 7th. If the team that finished in 8th wins the lottery, was it bad to lose that game? Just enjoy the hockey and see what pick they have after the lottery.

 

[aragorn]

Just watched both and based on them I think I favour Nemec due to his skating ability.

I think most on here would prefer Nemec but I like Jiricek because he plays a rougher, tougher game. He has some flaws, but I think they can be coached & taught to correct them. It should be interesting to watch how these two progress in the NHL.

- not concerned about where they end up the lottery could change where they end up anyway. The odds should be with us to move up rather than move down for a change. Regardless I expect them to add another good young player who hopefully can help Ottawa win a SC.

- it's nice to see that they are really playing some good hockey in some games & how good some of our young players are & how much potential they have. And there are a few more coming (Sanderson/Pinto/Greig) that hopefully will continue to impress us.

- the most important issue for this team moving forward could be goaltending & they will need one of Gus or Sogaard to turn out like Forsberg has lately much sooner than he did.

 

[GCK]

Exactly. Having that mindset once, sure, I was on board finishing strong.

When 2 years in a row they finish with strong winning streaks just to start next year abysmally, ya, give me the top pick any day of the week.

I've said this before I will say it again, Colorado had one of the worst losing seasons in NHL history and made playoffs year after.

Give me a potential franchise changing top 3 selection over a few meaningless wins when rest of the teams are not even taking us seriously/no serious implications on standing.

If you don’t get a save in October and November again next year we’ll be out of it by Christmas again. It’s really simple.

 

[GCK]

Go back to 2018, 19 and 20 drafts. Dobson 12th, Seider 6th, Zegras 9th, Lundell 12th, Mercer 18th. Players will be available when we pick, it’s just about making the right picks.

 

[SAK11]

It just comes down to making the right pick. Picking 10th would’ve been fine last year had they gone with Sillinger. In 2009 they went with Cowen when Ellis would’ve been the much better pick. A few years ago the Ducks got Zegras 9th. Sergachev also went 9th. Rantanen went 10th. It’s up to the scouts to pick the right guy.

I’d rather picks 4th or 5th obviously as you have more options to choose from, but there will still be some nice prospects available.

 

[Cosmix]

I think most on here would prefer Nemec but I like Jiricek because he plays a rougher, tougher game. He has some flaws, but I think they can be coached & taught to correct them. It should be interesting to watch how these two progress in the NHL.

- not concerned about where they end up the lottery could change where they end up anyway. The odds should be with us to move up rather than move down for a change. Regardless I expect them to add another good young player who hopefully can help Ottawa win a SC.

- it's nice to see that they are really playing some good hockey in some games & how good some of our young players are & how much potential they have. And there are a few more coming (Sanderson/Pinto/Greig) that hopefully will continue to impress us.

- the most important issue for this team moving forward could be goaltending & they will need one of Gus or Sogaard to turn out like Forsberg has lately much sooner than he did.

I wonder what the Senators are going to do with their 3 NHL contract goaltenders next season: Murray, Forsberg and Gustavsson. Will it be a Murray trade or buyout or waiver to Belleville? Will it be a Gustavsson trade or successful waiver to Belleville? Will it be a 3 goaltender tandem on the NHL roster?

 

[Cosmix]

It just comes down to making the right pick. Picking 10th would’ve been fine last year had they gone with Sillinger. In 2009 they went with Cowen when Ellis would’ve been the much better pick. A few years ago the Ducks got Zegras 9th. Sergachev also went 9th. Rantanen went 10th. It’s up to the scouts to pick the right guy.

I’d rather picks 4th or 5th obviously as you have more options to choose from, but there will still be some nice prospects available.

Hopefully the Senators win the lottery. If they do I wonder if they would take Wright at #1.

 

[BondraTime]

There are 5 guys that fit the team like a glove.

The 2 top line C’s, the hulking top line finisher, and both the right shot D.

All fit team needs, all fit team identity.

Missing out on those guys if we end up picking 7th-9th is going to suck.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

If you don’t get a save in October and November again next year we’ll be out of it by Christmas again. It’s really simple.

IMO it's more than that. Outside of Chabot-Zub our defense was abysmal. It look a little while for Holden to become established for us.

It took until Thomson got called up for our defense to stabilize and make it easier for our goalies to get in a groove.

Tierney was our 2nd line C. People have been so in awe of Stutzle recently, that they forgot before he transitioned to C we had Paul and Tierney alternating 2nd line C position for a good 2-3 months--which is horrifying to recollect.

Brannstrom was struggling mightily as well. Gaudette went from waiver wire to playing on Stutzle's wing for a good month and a half.

Sanford was a fixture in the top 6 for a good month or two.

Ennis was like our 5th most productive forward offensively for first couple months.

There were many, many holes.

 

[aragorn]

I wonder what the Senators are going to do with their 3 NHL contract goaltenders next season: Murray, Forsberg and Gustavsson. Will it be a Murray trade or buyout or waiver to Belleville? Will it be a Gustavsson trade or successful waiver to Belleville? Will it be a 3 goaltender tandem on the NHL roster?

If this problem is not solved this summer I assume it could take half a season next yr before this problem is resolved, maybe longer, but I somehow doubt they end the season with all three guys. IMO they should keep the younger Gustavsson rather than Murray an injury prone starter who can't stay healthy. Forsberg most likely should start next season as the starter but it will be a brand new yr & a fresh start for everyone. Should be interesting.