GDT: 2022 NHL Draft Round 1 - Leafs Currently Pick 38th

[acrobaticgoalie]

1. Beck
2. Barker
3. McGroaty

We can't be playing loto in this draft Dubie .. we need a guy who can step into our lineup at 4C right away and learn over a couple years to move up to 2C/3C .. Beck will play in league next year .. stop screwing around with flawed players and lets start drafting properly .. we need a C with speed and compete who has speed to take over for JT soon .. kids from O are always da way to build Cup contenders .. they have learned how to play da Cup winning way since they couldn't piss straight .. Barker is OK but nowhere near as fast or nasty or strong on puck as Beck .. McGroaty sure he has more skill but we don't need it .. we need SPEED and COMPETE and a guy who at C can step right into lineup to help out

Drafting properly? It's thinking like this that is why the Burke and Nonis drafts were so bad.

Flawed players? Most of our current prospects have raised their draft stock.

It's also unrealistic to expect an 18 yr old picked at the end of the 1st round to step into the NHL right away and make any sort of impact. Does he put us in a better position than say 23 year old Holmberg (6th round pick) who plays a solid 2 way game and has had had very good production in pro leagues for example?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I have zero interest in drafting Beck personally. Never stood out the times I saw him play and is just very vanilla. Nothing really stands out about his game either. Solid skater, not really physical, average skill, but he's good on faceoffs and defensively. I would be very disappointed if Beck was a pick they made at 25th because the upside seems really meh. I've been wrong before though.

I think Barker would be a good bet as a mid/late 2nd rounder. I like him a little more than Beck.

Fast and very tough .. one of fastest guys in O right now .. he also throws a mean hit on da forecheck .. and always plays on da right side of da puck and very very strong on da puck .. teams are built with guys like this who are not flashy but get job done every time they are on da ice .. we need more players who play like this on our team

 

[ITM]

Yes. Just because Dubas went for Dermott doesn't mean there weren't other good players HFboards had touted for 2015 (i.e. Aho, Kylington).

This draft is deep and that is also why it's super hard to predict what the draft will look like from 15-45 lets say.

It may not have as many or any franchise level players - but it does have a lot of good talent that can hit the NHL

But THATs the fear. That rather than take the bird in hand, we not only reach for lesser, but miss the best option owing to lack of information.

 

[Mess]

Interesting idea about using Sandin to trade up. I don’t think our first and Sandin gets us up higher enough to draft a player that can play by next year.

A rumour of an offersheet for Sandin in his range would likely return a 2nd round pick as compensation so dealing Sandin for a 2nd could also be an option to recapture a 2nd..

However I would prefer to use him more to move up in the draft if possible, to avoid a long drawn out contract dispute summer and Leafs have no spot on LD for him anyways.

Ottawa is willing to deal the 7th and wants ready made players so Sandin fits that and the 25th but what else would need to be included to get high enough to get a player very close to NHL ready.

 

[Orfieus]

With the Leafs already having traded away their own picks from 2022 for 2nd (Giordano), 3rd (Dave Rittich), 4th (Nick Foligno), 5th (Ben Hutton) , and 6th (Riley Nash) round picks in this draft, and only made 3 picks from last year I say the odds are very good they won't be picking in the 1st with their own pick either.

So with only 3 picks again including the manufactured one from dealing Dermott, it seems more likely then not we won't be picking at #25 either today.

However I expect the Leafs to more likely trade back and pick up and extra pick in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

I firmly believe with this being the Covid draft other GMs are going to make mistakes and Dubas is going to take advantage of that. I think Dubas is going to use the 25th pick and grab a kid they had high in the draft

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Drafting properly? It's thinking like this that is why the Burke and Nonis drafts were so bad.

Flawed players? Most of our current prospects have raised their draft stock.

It's also unrealistic to expect an 18 yr old picked at the end of the 1st round to step into the NHL right away and make any sort of impact. Does he put us in a better position than say 23 year old Holmberg (6th round pick) who plays a solid 2 way game and has had had very good production in pro leagues for example?

You can't teach speed, strength and hockey sense .. skilled guys typically fall apart and fade away .. need guys who already have what it takes to play .. and Beck will play in league right away

 

[Apex Predator]

I firmly believe with this being the Covid draft other GMs are going to make mistakes and Dubas is going to take advantage of that. I think Dubas is going to use the 25th pick and grab a kid they had high in the draft

Is this still the COvid draft? Everyone was playing this year. I think the last two drafts were affected more by COvid than this one.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I have heard if Pickering falls down to 25 then Leafs will pick him .. but unlikely to occur 6ft4 D with huge speed don't drop .. I am not sure even Beck will last to 25 .. but there are quite a few really good hockey players in this draft .. while it lacks top end talent in goes 3 rounds deep of guys who will step onto NHL ice

 

[bentharbs]

1. Beck
2. Barker
3. McGroaty

We can't be playing loto in this draft Dubie .. we need a guy who can step into our lineup at 4C right away and learn over a couple years to move up to 2C/3C .. Beck will play in league next year .. stop screwing around with flawed players and lets start drafting properly .. we need a C with speed and compete who has speed to take over for JT soon .. kids from O are always da way to build Cup contenders .. they have learned how to play da Cup winning way since they couldn't piss straight .. Barker is OK but nowhere near as fast or nasty or strong on puck as Beck .. McGroaty sure he has more skill but we don't need it .. we need SPEED and COMPETE and a guy who at C can step right into lineup to help out

From the 2021 NHL Draft, a total of 2 players (Cole Sillinger and J.J Moser) played more than 40 games, with only Sillinger playing a full year (Moser played 43 games). A total of 7 players played in the NHL in their first year from that draft, five of which played in 10 or fewer games.

Only 5 players have played 82 games or more from the 2020 draft. Only 10 players have played more than 25 games from the same draft. Only 13 players have played more than 10.

I think the expectation that a 25OA pick is penciled in on an NHL roster in year 1 is ridiculous.

 

[SprDaVE]

I have heard if Pickering falls down to 25 then Leafs will pick him .. but unlikely to occur 6ft4 D with huge speed don't drop .. I am not sure even Beck will last to 25 .. but there are quite a few really good hockey players in this draft .. while it lacks top end talent in goes 3 rounds deep of guys who will step onto NHL ice

Pickering would be a good pick for sure. Very raw but with a very interesting toolset. Reminds me a bit of Sanheim.

 

[Morgs]

From the 2021 NHL Draft, a total of 2 players (Cole Sillinger and J.J Moser) played more than 40 games, with only Sillinger playing a full year. A total 7 players played in the NHL in their first year from that draft, five of which playing 10 or fewer games.

I think the expectation that a 25OV pick is penciled in on an NHL roster in year 1 is ridiculous.

There's two players in this draft I think are ready for the NHL today, and that's Wright and Nemec. Personally if I draft Nemec he goes straight to the AHL for a season unless he's TOO good there, but that's unlikely. Wright you can pencil into 3C for your opening day lineup, but it wouldn't kill him to play another year in the OHL. He missed an entire year of hockey in his d-1, and really wasn't the Shane Wright we know until the second half of the season.

 

[GrizzGreen]

Lots of people talking about how the first few draft picks can be immediately impactful... when that wasn't the case with Laf or Byfield. Hughes (Jack), Seider, and Zegras are obviously doing great, as is Byram, but Bjornfot at 22 (ironically a traded Leafs pick) would be exciting to have move into the Leafs line up this year

Scouting has obviously been drawn down a little during COVID but there haven't seemed to be many "can't miss" prospects since Matthews.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Beck will play in league next year

There is a zero percent chance Beck plays in the NHL full time next year. Especially not on a contender.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

From the 2021 NHL Draft, a total of 2 players (Cole Sillinger and J.J Moser) played more than 40 games, with only Sillinger playing a full year (Moser played 43 games). A total of 7 players played in the NHL in their first year from that draft, five of which played in 10 or fewer games.

Only 5 players have played 82 games or more from the 2020 draft. Only 10 players have played more than 25 games from the same draft. Only 13 players have played more than 10.

I think the expectation that a 25OA pick is penciled in on an NHL roster in year 1 is ridiculous.

Averages are just that averages .. don't mean much to me .. what you need to ask yourself is da guy fast enough to skate at NHL - answer YES .. is guy strong enough on skates/puck to not get pushed around league - answer YES .. lastly can guy be relied on not to be a goal against machine while learning - answer YES .. you don't have to be most skilled guy to play although they typically get most leeway due to draft stock .. bottom line my buddies in O think he and Wright are only 2 guys who can step onto NHL ice next year and contribute

 

[daethfromabove1979]

I wish to god I could get the American ESPN coverage of the draft. That probably has Bobby Mac and Craig Button covering. I'll have to watch online otherwise I'm stuck with sportsnet and Pierre Mcguire

I'm likely alone on this but I'd rather not watch Bob McKenzie, he spoils every pick before the team gets to announce it, just really bugs me. I want to be in suspense when the team gets to the podium.

 

[JSn0w93]

Mateychuk, Yurov or Nazar are very distant possibilities that would be great if they fell for whatever reason.

My top 5 favourites going into tonight: Ohgren, Snuggerud, McGroarty, Pickering and Firkus. At least one of these players will be there I think.

Goyette, Howard, Ostlund, Hutson, Chesley, Mesar and DDB would be really good too but I think I'd be more comfortable if we dropped drown to pick them up.

If we leave this draft with Frank Nazar, I'm the happiest I've been since we drafted Matthews.

 

[Menzinger]

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

You can't teach speed, strength and hockey sense .. skilled guys typically fall apart and fade away .. need guys who already have what it takes to play .. and Beck will play in league right away

Its easier to teach a skilled player to play a 2 way game than it is to teach a 2 way player to produce offense.

Tyler Boucher was a huge reach by Ottawa last year at 10th overall as a guy who had that "Safe" projectible NHL style. That pick doesn't look to be working out so well for them. He only had 14 pts in 24 games in the OHL this year as a D+1. Instead we got Knies who should've been a 1st rounder and we somehow managed to get him at the end of the 2nd round and he has more skill.

Mike McLeod was a guy that had some size, speed and a 2 way game and had just ok production as a 1st rounder. Sound familiar? He is a D+5 and is a 4th line forward with a high of 20 pts.

Beck Is a decent prospect and might turn into a decent NHL player but I would be disappointed if we picked him over a guy that has more skill and higher ceiling for the sake of being safe. The first round is where you have a higher likelihood of landing a good player and should not be using it to land a guy whose likelihood is a 3C at best. We can find guys who play with pace and play a 2 way game in the 3rd round.

McGroarty and Ohgren play a hard nosed game btw.

 

[ACC1224]

Great name. Is he a realistic target?

 

[bentharbs]

Averages are just that averages .. don't mean much to me .. what you need to ask yourself is da guy fast enough to skate at NHL - answer YES .. is guy strong enough on skates/puck to not get pushed around league - answer YES .. lastly can guy be relied on not to be a goal against machine while learning - answer YES .. you don't have to be most skilled guy to play although they typically get most leeway due to draft stock .. bottom line my buddies in O think he and Wright are only 2 guys who can step onto NHL ice next year and contribute

It is just simple: only a couple teams will get someone who can step into the NHL and it likely will not be the leafs regardless of who is there at 25.

Saying Dubas needs to get a 4C from day one is just a silly assertion. It won't happen and recent evidence proves that.

 

[Smif]

Great name. Is he a realistic target?

He's all around 25, most lists have him going a few slots ahead, though.

 

[Anthrax442]

Best Available Center

 

[ACC1224]

He's all around 25, most lists have him going a few slots ahead, though.

Thanks

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Not fast enough and not strong enough .. but skill and passion are nice features .. guys rarely pick up NHL speed and strength .. you are either born with it or not .. you can only WILL yourself so far in hockey

 

[Mess]

I firmly believe with this being the Covid draft other GMs are going to make mistakes and Dubas is going to take advantage of that. I think Dubas is going to use the 25th pick and grab a kid they had high in the draft

I agree, I firmly expect Dubas to claim they can't believe the player they got was avaialble at their pick and their scouts had him much higher.,

But in fairness to Dubas thats exactly the same boiler plate media response one should expect for 1/2 the GMs to say, because that's normally the case.

If you made it into a drinking game where you took a shot each time after each selection you heard it, you wouldn't make it through the 1st round without passing out.