NJDevs26
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I think we’re already seeing the over correction with these roughing the passer calls this weekend
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The Rams have been meh. The Cowboys have one great defender and a good RB and that shouldn’t be enough but they are winning this year. The Giants are winning but I’m not seeing a dynamic team. The Chargers were poised to take a step with Herbert but have fizzled. Carolina already fired their coach.
Im sure id be annoyed if he was my qb and he was pulled. This was no where near Tua stumbling vs Buffalo. But it def looked like he was hurting.
My thought on the call on Brady was it resembled the whip motion of Cincy vs Tua. Nowhere near as violent and even if it were im not sure its a penalty under the current rules. But i def think the refs were influenced by the Tua hit because it was a somewhat similar hit.
NJDevs26
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The roughing the passer last night was actually worse than the Brady one, which I didn't think was humanly possible
Wow, that is a really weak call.
The quality of NFL reffing has always been a little ridiculous, but now it seems even more so. Nobody has any idea what is a penalty anymore, or what is a catch. There are so many rules seemingly made up on the fly for specific situations, that have unintended effects later and have to be corrected by yet another fudge.
Basically just Calvinball now.
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Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes were the beneficiaries of two of the worst roughing the passer calls in recent memory? Hmm.
If anyone was going to get screwed by this early iteration of the change, I’m glad it was the Dolphins the way they handled Tua.
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Wrong, it was Carr which makes it more hilarious. It’s as if after all the ‘it was a Brady call!’ backlash they took the next chance to call it on a non-golden boy
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yeah even though he did not have a concussion after the hit in the Bills game, according to the team doctors and independent UNC, as well as exhbiting zero concussion symptoms leading up to the Bengals game
other than that!
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the same people upset that there are too many injuries are now upset that they are going too far to protect against them it seems.
listen its a contact sport its 2022. everyone that signs up to play these sports know full well what repeated head hits can do to your body this isn't 1970 where you are expected to get up and play again after getting your head smashed. if you CHOOSE to get up and get back in the game if you are having concussion or some other type of effect that is on you! everyone bashing the dolphins for letting him go back into the game against buffalo or even play that following week? where were his teammates? why didn't they not stay in the locker room against buffalo when he came out to play the 2h? i don't want to see anyone get hurt of their lives cut short but everyone knows going in what the side problems can be so either play the game or don't.
listen its a contact sport its 2022. everyone that signs up to play these sports know full well what repeated head hits can do to your body this isn't 1970 where you are expected to get up and play again after getting your head smashed. if you CHOOSE to get up and get back in the game if you are having concussion or some other type of effect that is on you! everyone bashing the dolphins for letting him go back into the game against buffalo or even play that following week? where were his teammates? why didn't they not stay in the locker room against buffalo when he came out to play the 2h? i don't want to see anyone get hurt of their lives cut short but everyone knows going in what the side problems can be so either play the game or don't.
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The NFL doesn't give a shit if any player other than the QB gets hurt, and particularly elite QBs.
If you truly believe he didn't have a concussion in that game, I really don't know what to tell you.
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thats kinda like that in life in general. do you think your employer cares about you or if you get hurt? majority of the workforce the answer is probably no. they care enough to just not get sued and a product like football where ELITE qbs move the needle its the absolute same. its a sport of entertainment and face it would you tune in for a matchup of mahomes vs rodgers or their backups?
again even if he had a concussion in that game. why didn't his teammates stop him from playing the 2h? or why didn't the bills players? they are apart of the same players union and should be looking out for one another.
Football at higher levels is barbaric in many respects. The NFL has a history of treating players as disposable cannon fodder as you make plain. The worst part is the NFLPA doesn't have any real problem with it. That gladiator approach in the NFL is so ingrained in the players at this point it's self defeating. It goes beyond concussions of course. New Orleans rolled Jameis Winston out for two games with multiple spine fractures. Allegedly some orthopedist said it couldn't get worse according to my youngest son. I'd like to know how getting hit at 15-20 mph by a 300 pound man in the back wouldn't potentially exacerbate fractured vertebrae. It's nuts. The sport is dangerous enough when fully healthy. Maybe it's time to expand rosters and put some actual protections in place for the players. Whatever they have now isn't working.
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its like this with any sport though unfortunately. until the players start watching out for themselves and each other this type of stuff will happen and until they start doing that i'm not going to care if they get hurt because they are enabling it. if tua was really hurt then shame on his TEAMMATES for not stepping up for him just like winstons teammates letting him down letting him go out there hurt. just like hockey with marchand and wilson they go out and constantly hurt players and their teammates dont blink an eye dont call them out but hey they help their teams win and thats what matters the most i guess.
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so just to be clear, the Dolphins team physicians, the independent NFL NCU, as well as all the doctors who followed up with him in the few days after were ALL wrong?
Coupled with the fact that he DID injure his back earlier in the Bills game on a QB sneak (stumbled trying to get up)
it's amazing the player unions haven't figured this out. Why the union enables guys like Marchand and Wilson is beyond me. They have to protect the thug but not their other member that was cheap shotted? And the NFLPA is ok with a consussion protocol that apparently leaves the ultimate decision about removing a player with symptoms to the team? Just awful.
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again though its up to the players to stand up. someone in that bruins locker room should've called marchand out for his repeated hits same with wilson but they don't. I get they want to win but at the same time i don't get the total disregard for their fellow players. so if they (meaning all sports) don't really care what happens to their fellow athletes why do any of us? again different story 30+ years ago when no one really knew any better and it was expected to play hurt and all that but now? times are different no one is going to bash a player for not playing when hurt at least they shouldn't..
The players will have a hard time changing years of indoctrination. I think it has to come from above. A grownup has to be the bad guy. Just my thoughts.
And we know who examined him how? Have we seen medical records? Who are the "other doctors"? Maybe he passed a full multi-specialty battery but I don't trust any doctor associated with football, even the allegedly "independent" NFL doctor. Unless he went to a concussion specialist who has never treated a football player and has no interest in sports I'm not buying it.
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in the Bills game, I do not believe so. Based on:
- what the team physicians said
- what the independent UNC said
- him returning to the game and playing extremely well
- him exhibiting not one concussion symptom from Monday-Wednesday
if we cannot believe any of the above, what do we believe then? Like McDaniel said "if I cant trust the doctors on when I can play someone, then when CAN I trust them?"
but this is silly though. You can say this for any injury. "why should I believe them, I havent seen the medical records!!"
So we're not to believe the medical professionals? I have no idea how to conduct those tests so I Will defer to those that do.
One of the biggest deterrents the players face are the lack of guaranteed contracts (NOT necessarily the Brady/Mahomes type of player). I'd venture to say a large number of players have no non-football related experience in any other facet of earning a living beyond the game itself. Their contract is their meal ticket and they will do whatever is necessary to keep playing even at the expense of their health. I don't believe that culture will ever change.
And not all injuries or injured persons are created equal either. Factor in the vague nature of concussions and thats the. situation.
But we do have video evidence of Tua clearly being wobbled vs Buff. Was is a concussion? Did he show symptoms afterward? Maybe not but it was pretty clearly a head injury of some sort, and less then a week later he’s hit again and the symptoms are even more severe.
Much like Daniel Jones last season Tua should have been pulled from that Buf game. And in hindsight both guys should have been held out at least another week.
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