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DannyGallivan said:
1. You come in these forums, be prepared to be lectured whether you like it or not.
2. I wasn't even lecturing you. I was referring specifically to Russian hockey players who may be afraid that their family members living in Russia may fear reprisals if the Russian hockey players speak out against the invasion (as should be their moral obligation).
3. If we are to believe the news, any Putin cliques are supposedly being hit in the bank account as we type this. However, you are welcome to send the names of Putin cliques living free in Canada c/o Justin Trudeau, Ottawa, and I'm sure he'll look into it.
4. There may come a time when lecturing you may suit me... be prepared.
5. I was responding to the poster called DueDiligence. Your post was unintentionally included, but I wasn't responding to it.
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Ok, you should start lecturing putin's fanatics like Ovechkin, Malkin and a bunch of russian-speaking posters on this site from usa and canada who have been spewing pro-putin nonsense for years.
 
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Putin united Russia so you can't fault Russian players for supporting someone who brought their people together.

Just leave the players out of it.
 
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DoyleG said:
With the SWIFT sanctions coming into place, the Russian fans won't likely be able to attend. No to mention that the RUB is expected to crash once the markets open up (Asia opens this afternoon).

Belarus faces the same problems, but much more acute as they are essentially tied to the Russian economy.

EDIT: Showing how bad things have gotten for the Russian economy.



The RUB was trading in the 85-95 range at the start of the conflict. Its now worthless and the Russians can't prop it up.
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And they are likely going to hammer the Russian fed's ability access foreign assets in an attempt to prop up the economy.
 
I'm in favor of taking away the hosting of the 2022 and 2023 games. That takes away revenue that would be flowing into the country. I'm not onboard with expelling Russia from the IIHF.

I know they can be reinstated. But I think the message that sanctions should send is not just punitive, but punitive and incentive. If we cut all ties with Russia, then they have no incentive to improve, and actually perhaps they have perverse incentive to do something regrettable.

So revocation of memberships in general, whether it's the UN or the WHO or these commercial memberships like the IIHF, FIFA, I'm not a fan of. I still want them at the table so we can talk to them. But taking away things like scheduled games and tournaments hosted there, or conventions, events, other consumer spending opportunities, I'm good with.
 
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It's also perfectly possible to kick them out of the IIHF and other sports federations while maintaining normal diplomatic relations.
 
kabidjan18 said:
I'm in favor of taking away the hosting of the 2022 and 2023 games. That takes away revenue that would be flowing into the country. I'm not onboard with expelling Russia from the IIHF.

I know they can be reinstated. But I think the message that sanctions should send is not just punitive, but punitive and incentive. If we cut all ties with Russia, then they have no incentive to improve, and actually perhaps they have perverse incentive to do something regrettable.
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Like full invasion to Ukraine?
 
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DueDiligence said:
But if they come out against Putin they risk reprisals against any of their family in Russia. Not a great spot to be in.
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This isn't the Stalinist era. The "Families of A Traitor to The Motherland" was discarded a long time ago.

Ovie's family in Russia is fine. His mother and father are highly regarded ins the sporting realm and his in-laws in the cultural realm. Any reprisals would be coming out of their mouths.

His biggest concern is to keep his Russian sponsorship deals, which is rather moot since SWIFT has no cut off the Russian banks that hold the funds.
 
I wonder what all this means for the KHL moving forward, especially after the economic sanctions that were levied and the ruble becoming basically worthless?
 
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DVX said:
Like full invasion to Ukraine?
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As bad as that is, and it is bad, there are still significantly more regrettable things that can be done.

I fear nothing more than a man with nothing to lose, who has tools to hurt me.
 
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So atleast three nations has demanted to kick Russia out of iihf.. Latest being Finnish federation, so i cant see how Russia or Belarus can play in whc in Finland
 
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Jussi said:
Leijonat - Venäjä ja Valko-Venäjä suljettava kansainvälisen jääkiekkotoiminnan ulkopuolelle

Finnish hockey association official statement, they expect Russia and Belarus to be excluded from all international hockey and that they refuse to play any matches with them. It's also not possible for them to take part in the World Championships in Finland this year.
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Yep, as I predicted. Finland won't be playing against them, and won't accept their teams at World Championships in Finland.
 
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MuckOG said:
I wonder what all this means for the KHL moving forward, especially after the economic sanctions that were levied and the ruble becoming basically worthless?
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There's no "moving forward" for the KHL anymore (the monicker itself has lost its meaning) – just screeching to a halt and disintegrating back to the Russian league.
 
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Snowsii said:
So atleast three nations has demanted to kick Russia out of iihf.. Latest being Finnish federation, so i cant see how Russia or Belarus can play in whc in Finland
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Organisations like IIHF and FIFA typically try to sidestep the issues and say things like politics should be kept out of sports - yet that was one of the bans that worked against the Apartheid regime. But the reality now is that if the sporting bodies do not do their job then the politicians will - the Russian and Byelorussian teams would need entry visas to Finland and, that's not likely to get approved..
 
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Swedish fed. Apparently not comfortable taking a stance before meeting the big boys first. Cowards. Whichever way they may feel they wont utter a Word until they’ve talked to other federations first.
 
Jussi said:
Leijonat - Venäjä ja Valko-Venäjä suljettava kansainvälisen jääkiekkotoiminnan ulkopuolelle

Finnish hockey association official statement, they expect Russia and Belarus to be excluded from all international hockey and that they refuse to play any matches with them. It's also not possible for them to take part in the World Championships in Finland this year.
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And remember, finland is the organizing country. It means there would be larger ramifications that just the finns not showing up.

Thought I am sure they could play those in Minsk again, alone.
 
The soccer federation FIFA refused to ban Russia. Well, they will change their minds about that very soon.
 
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