Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[hohosaregood]

Bit of a creeper post, but looking at the Sharks' Christmas photos, I think they might be expecting #2.

He really needed the financial stability of that new contract to afford raising a 2nd kid in the bay area.

 

[OrrNumber4]

All of Grier's moves suggest he wants guys who compete hard 60m/82gp. He shipped out 'lazy players' like Balcers and Dahlen and brought in try-hards like Kunin, Sturm, and Eyssimont. Competitive people bust ass even if the chance of winning is <1% and that's what he means by being a competitive guy.

I think he's delivered on his message, personally.

I understand not wanting to keep Dahlen; that's a player who definitely coasted. I see it with Labanc, too. But not with Balcers...he worked hard but just has more of a skill game.

 

[NiWa]

We can argue about what the contract should look like to correctly represent Labanc's value, but at this stage its pretty clear that he belongs in the NHL. He's had success when playing with our first liners, and elevated our third liners when with them.

He's also got the "it" factor where once in a while he pulls off something completely unexpected.

Regarding penalties with you, he's really gotta stop the lazy ones, I can see how that riles everyone up. With 11 minors taken and only 3 drawn it's easily one of his worst looks.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Bit of a creeper post, but looking at the Sharks' Christmas photos, I think they might be expecting #2.

You saying Hertl is looking virile?

 

[Karl Prime]

Frank Seravelli wrote a few days ago that he heard the team's ask for EK was three first rounders and retaining 18% of the contract. But Grier seemed to shoot that down in an interview with Masisak.

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Obviously Seravelli's reported price is ridiculous - no team is giving up that much unless they are psychic and see that adding Erik will get them two Cups in the next four years. If they are asking for a first and a first rounder already drafted, or something along those lines (still too much I'm sure you'd say), then perhaps a trade would be easier to make in the summer of '24 if Karl has another great season and one less year remaining on his deal. Of course there would be risk to that too if he got injured again.

 

[Gecklund]

Frank Seravelli wrote a few days ago that he heard the team's ask for EK was three first rounders and retaining 18% of the contract. But Grier seemed to shoot that down in an interview with Masisak.

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Obviously Seravelli's reported price is ridiculous - no team is giving up that much unless they are psychic and see that adding Erik will get them two Cups in the next four years. If they are asking for a first and a first rounder already drafted, or something along those lines (still too much I'm sure you'd say), then perhaps a trade would be easier to make in the summer of '24 if Karl has another great season and one less year remaining on his deal. Of course there would be risk to that too if he got injured again.

I really do think it’s something like first round pick prospect, first round pick, and one more piece. That one more piece for me is a conditional first surrounding the team’s performance (win the cup, make the third round, whatever). Obviously we’d be taking back cap too. I think EDM is the best one to make a relatively simple offer with. I think it would look something like Barrie, Pulju, Petrov or Bourgault, 23 1st, conditional 25 1st (if EDM makes it to the third round in either of 24 or 25 that pick transfers) for EK retained. We basically split the cap so we both have 9.5ish on the books for EK. Sharks also pick up a first, a good prospect, and potentially another first. Sharks also get out of the majority of the cap in 2 years.

 

[Karl Prime]

I really do think it’s something like first round pick prospect, first round pick, and one more piece. That one more piece for me is a conditional first surrounding the team’s performance (win the cup, make the third round, whatever). Obviously we’d be taking back cap too. I think EDM is the best one to make a relatively simple offer with. I think it would look something like Barrie, Pulju, Petrov or Bourgault, 23 1st, conditional 25 1st (if EDM makes it to the third round in either of 24 or 25 that pick transfers) for EK retained. We basically split the cap so we both have 9.5ish on the books for EK. Sharks also pick up a first, a good prospect, and potentially another first. Sharks also get out of the majority of the cap in 2 years.

As a fan, there's no place I'd rather Karl go to than Edmonton. He would pick up like 15 assists per season just from making breakout passes to McDavid. It certainly might be possible if the numbers work because they are certainly in win now mode as long as they have McDrai.

Do you mean by split the cap as EDM would have 9.5 and SJ would have 9.5 between Karl's retention, Barrie, and Puljujarvi?

 

[Jargon]

Wonder if Karlsson would actually waive to go to Edmonton. I guess McDavid helps but I’m not sure how far that team really is to winning a cup. Then again, if that’s the only offer, I’d do it just to get out of this place.

 

[Anomie2029]

Wonder if Karlsson would actually waive to go to Edmonton. I guess McDavid helps but I’m not sure how far that team really is to winning a cup. Then again, if that’s the only offer, I’d do it just to get out of this place.

Not win in the Bay Area or not win in Edmonton?

I'd probably stay in the Bay Area (but then again, I'm Australian and the idea of living in a Canadian winter scares me!)

 

[LadyStanley]

Friedman reports that Edmonton talked significantly with Sharks about EK65, but things never got to a point that the Sharks had to go to him to waiver NMC.

 

[tiburon12]

Not win in the Bay Area or not win in Edmonton?

I'd probably stay in the Bay Area (but then again, I'm Australian and the idea of living in a Canadian winter scares me!)

I just spent 3 weeks in America at temperaturs no less that 40F and that was wildly too cold for me. Edmonton in the winter is like 100 degrees colder that Bangkok

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Wonder if Karlsson would actually waive to go to Edmonton. I guess McDavid helps but I’m not sure how far that team really is to winning a cup. Then again, if that’s the only offer, I’d do it just to get out of this place.

I mean they made the WCF last year and are in a playoff spot with 2 of the best 4/5 players in the world. If he wants to win it's not really debatable where he has a better shot lol.

 

[Gecklund]

As a fan, there's no place I'd rather Karl go to than Edmonton. He would pick up like 15 assists per season just from making breakout passes to McDavid. It certainly might be possible if the numbers work because they are certainly in win now mode as long as they have McDrai.

Do you mean by split the cap as EDM would have 9.5 and SJ would have 9.5 between Karl's retention, Barrie, and Puljujarvi?

Yes exactly! Barrie makes 4, Pulju 3 and then EK retain 2M for SJ, EDM picks up 9.5 EK.

I think Grier would love Bourgault that’s why I have him there (6 ft, 175lb 2 way C 16 points in 34 games in AHL this season and 75 in 43 last in CHL). I would do what I could for Petrov (6’2, 175lb, offensive/PWF (ish) W with 54 points in 39 games this season and 90 in 63 last season in CHL). I’d do it with either of them though.

 

[Juxtaposer]

If we were to move Karlsson to Edmonton, I’d want Bouchard involved somehow. Something like Bouchard, prospect (Bourgault?), 2023 1st, plus cap dumps (Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Foegle, Barrie, whatever to make it work).

 

[saskytaxi]

If we were to move Karlsson to Edmonton, I’d want Bouchard involved somehow. Something like Bouchard, prospect (Bourgault?), 2023 1st, plus cap dumps (Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Foegle, Barrie, whatever to make it work).

Not happening buddy

As a fan, there's no place I'd rather Karl go to than Edmonton. He would pick up like 15 assists per season just from making breakout passes to McDavid. It certainly might be possible if the numbers work because they are certainly in win now mode as long as they have McDrai.

Do you mean by split the cap as EDM would have 9.5 and SJ would have 9.5 between Karl's retention, Barrie, and Puljujarvi?

Same here. Idk if it would work as to winning games but any fan of hockey would have to be intrigued

 

[Gecklund]

If we were to move Karlsson to Edmonton, I’d want Bouchard involved somehow. Something like Bouchard, prospect (Bourgault?), 2023 1st, plus cap dumps (Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Foegle, Barrie, whatever to make it work).

I’d love Bouchard but I doubt we’d get a prospect AND pick on top of him. I also think a big issue is that Barrie is the biggest cap dump that EDM have that wouldn’t require a replacement (EK would be that replacement). So if we are taking let’s say Bouchard and Barrie, EDM suddenly need another RD. If we are taking the other 3 wingers, EDM needs at least 2 more wingers. I really just don’t see a deal that makes sense for them with Bouchard in it but I’d do a lot to get him in it.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Bouchard is a good young player, but he's not a franchise-caliber guy. At this point in the rebuild process, the Sharks should be doing everything they can to get that franchise-level guy. That means going for top-end blue-chip prospects and draft picks (while making your team worse).

 

[gaucholoco3]

In my opinion if trading EK I would rather go full 50% retention or not trade him at all. If this team does not have EK their D is so trash that there is no way they would be competitive enough to need the salary for the next 4 years. Therefore get a kings ransom for a 100pt D at 5.75 Million.

If Edm really wanted a cup I wonder how many picks and prospects they would give for Meier and EK both retained 50%. That would be 8.75 Mil and if they send Puljarvi and Barrie back they are only adding 1.25 Million to their books which would be even less by the deadline. 3 1sts + Prospects would that be enough?

 

[Gecklund]

In my opinion if trading EK I would rather go full 50% retention or not trade him at all. If this team does not have EK their D is so trash that there is no way they would be competitive enough to need the salary for the next 4 years. Therefore get a kings ransom for a 100pt D at 5.75 Million.

If Edm really wanted a cup I wonder how many picks and prospects they would give for Meier and EK both retained 50%. That would be 8.75 Mil and if they send Puljarvi and Barrie back they are only adding 1.25 Million to their books which would be even less by the deadline. 3 1sts + Prospects would that be enough?

EDM doesn’t have the pieces to take Timo and EK with 50% retention and there’s no chance ownership pays a 100 point Dman 5.75M to not play for us. That’s dumb.

 

[gaucholoco3]

EDM doesn’t have the pieces to take Timo and EK with 50% retention and there’s no chance ownership pays a 100 point Dman 5.75M to not play for us. That’s dumb.

Is it that dumb if they get multiple 1st round picks and prospects to help the team be competetive in the future? Any trade of EK is accepting that this team will not compete for at least 4 years so why not maximize the value since the cap space those 4 years is not important. There are owners who have less wealth than Platner that will pay a lot more than 5.75 Million per year for a player who won't play for them.

Also if you actually read the whole post EDM moving Barrie and Puljarvi would open up enough space to fit both Timo and EK at 50% retention. How EDM would pay Timo in the future is a different question but they could flip him at the draft or have the offseason to create space for him long term.

 

[Gecklund]

Is it that dumb if they get multiple 1st round picks and prospects to help the team be competetive in the future? Any trade of EK is accepting that this team will not compete for at least 4 years so why not maximize the value since the cap space those 4 years is not important. There are owners who have less wealth than Platner that will pay a lot more than 5.75 Million per year for a player who won't play for them.

Also if you actually read the whole post EDM moving Barrie and Puljarvi would open up enough space to fit both Timo and EK at 50% retention. How EDM would pay Timo in the future is a different question but they could flip him at the draft or have the offseason to create space for him long term.

Yes because all of those picks would be late. Also point me to a single team that paid more that 5.75M a year for a single player to not play for them. Also now you are taking up 2/3 retention spots so all of our other deals will be less.

Edmonton does not have enough to make it make sense for us to give them Timo AND EK at 50%.

 

[hohosaregood]

If a team is taking Karlsson at 50%, I'd expect multiple unprotected 1st's and high end prospects

 

[Juxtaposer]

Bouchard is a good young player, but he's not a franchise-caliber guy. At this point in the rebuild process, the Sharks should be doing everything they can to get that franchise-level guy. That means going for top-end blue-chip prospects and draft picks (while making your team worse).

I don’t think Bouchard is good enough to hurt our draft position, if that’s what you’re saying, but I would be okay subbing in 2024 1st for him. Just hard to imagine how disgusting our D would look without Karlsson.

 

[Friday]

If a team is taking Karlsson at 50%, I'd expect multiple unprotected 1st's and high end prospects

EK for 6M per until 2027 is insane value

 

[Alaskanice]

I wonder if EK would entertain going to Edmonton with Kane there.