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Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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OrrNumber4 said:
Maybe it's just me...but what player would want to stick around in this mess? If I'm Karlsson/Hertl/Couture (ie, an older player who has market value) I'm constantly badgering Grier to get me to a contender. I'd lose respect for any player who was content with sticking around; precisely the type of player the Sharks should avoid.
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Because for fans, it's merely about winning and losing. For players, especially ones drafted and have been around for a while, it's about a willingness to uproot the life they've created for themselves and their family not to mention the bond they've formed with their teammates and the community. Players, unlike some fans, understand there's more to life than hockey.
 
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SJSharks72 said:
I mean Couture is rebuilding his value this season. He has 30 in 37 and actually looks dangerous. I think it’s a little early to be putting these guys to the sword for sticking around. Hertl is probably the one that I think is the worst since he chose to resign here when this team was already bad.


Has he even been rumored to be available? I’m pretty sure it’s mostly the fans trying to recoup value (at least from what I’ve seen).
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I couldn’t disagree more about Couture. He doesn’t look dangerous at all. He is currently shooting well above his average shooting percentage and most of his goals are realistically tap ins (in addition to two empty net goals).

Less than half of his assists are at 5v5 (6 in total) which puts him below Vlasic, Megna, Labanc, and Barabanov. He’s got the same amount of primary assists as Matt Nieto. He isn’t driving play, he isn’t creating chances, etc.
 
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Anomie2029 said:
I couldn’t disagree more about Couture. He doesn’t look dangerous at all. He is currently shooting well above his average shooting percentage and most of his goals are realistically tap ins (in addition to two empty net goals).

Less than half of his assists are at 5v5 (6 in total) which puts him below Vlasic, Megna, Labanc, and Barabanov. He’s got the same amount of primary assists as Matt Nieto. He isn’t driving play, he isn’t creating chances, etc.
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That's been generally true for a few years - Couture is an opportunist, good at capitalizing on opportunities to score that other players have created. He doesn't drive play himself and doesn't really create many goals himself. That's why I have argued to keep him attached to Meier, who does drive play.
 
Cas said:
That's been generally true for a few years - Couture is an opportunist, good at capitalizing on opportunities to score that other players have created. He doesn't drive play himself and doesn't really create many goals himself. That's why I have argued to keep him attached to Meier, who does drive play.
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While true, he's earned those opportunities by doing a lot of dirty work and literally putting his face on the line far too often than any one player should.
 
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TheBeard said:
While true, he's earned those opportunities by doing a lot of dirty work and literally putting his face on the line far too often than any one player should.
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Oh, there's plenty of room for such a player on any team - Couture is very good at capitalizing on opportunities and working in the offensive zone to generate chances and is consequently a very valuable player.

However, you can't rely on him to drive a line - he needs someone attached to him to enter the zone, draw defenders towards them, and shoot or pass the puck. Meier and Hertl are very good at that. Barabanov is pretty decent at it too, but he's not strong enough to really do it reliably against top lines (and he doesn't shoot much, either). That's why I think a hypothetical Sharks team that actually does have playoff hopes (somehow) would need to build its top two lines around Meier-Couture and Hertl-Barabanov. You have a play driver and a legitimate top-six center on each line (with the Hertl line having two play drivers, albeit with radically different styles).

Couture just isn't good enough to be The Guy on his line. He's really a passenger - a very good, highly-talented passenger, of course.
 
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SJSharks72 said:


And this is why cap space is important
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Pinkfloyd said:
They have the cap space to make a move here and should even if they don’t get rid of anyone really.
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I don’t think they have the cap space unless they send someone like Bonino or Reimer back. They’ve been LTIR so not accruing anything. They have 1.6ish remaining (and won’t accrue more until they cut a bit) and Zaitsev has a remaining cap hit of 2.4ish.

Now if I were the Sharks I’d be trying to do Zaitsev+1st for Bonino or something like that.
 
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SJSharks72 said:
I don’t think they have the cap space unless they send someone like Bonino or Reimer back. They’ve been LTIR so not accruing anything. They have 1.6ish remaining (and won’t accrue more until they cut a bit) and Zaitsev has a remaining cap hit of 2.4ish.

Now if I were the Sharks I’d be trying to do Zaitsev+1st for Bonino or something like that.
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Well chances are they’d send something back just to stay away from 50 contracts. Take Zaitsev and a lotto protected first , ltir Kunin, and send back Harrington or Svechnikov and if you need to ltir someone else, Simek just got hurt so I think there’s enough flexibility there to make something work. I get the point of having cap space and more would make it easier but I think they have enough to do it now.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
Well chances are they’d send something back just to stay away from 50 contracts. Take Zaitsev and a lotto protected first , ltir Kunin, and send back Harrington or Svechnikov and if you need to ltir someone else, Simek just got hurt so I think there’s enough flexibility there to make something work. I get the point of having cap space and more would make it easier but I think they have enough to do it now.
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Forgot about Kunin and LTIR but Simek would have to miss a lot more time than he’s scheduled to miss to be on LTIR. Kunin would work though. I do think sending back Bonino would be better because I’m genuinely worried that he won’t return more than a 5th. His stats aren’t bad but man watching him play is sad.
 
SJSharks72 said:
Forgot about Kunin and LTIR but Simek would have to miss a lot more time than he’s scheduled to miss to be on LTIR. Kunin would work though. I do think sending back Bonino would be better because I’m genuinely worried that he won’t return more than a 5th. His stats aren’t bad but man watching him play is sad.
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If we send back Bonino, we won’t be able to get a lotto protected 1st so it would have to be someone cheaper/more valuable.
 
SJSharks72 said:
I think you could. Sens bottom 6 is garbage. So give them that depth forward to help there. Shit I’d even do Nieto for Zaitsev+1st+3rd or just another pick/prospect.
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I think you can probably get it done with Nieto. Just not Bonino. He’s not worth even half his deal at this stage.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
I think they can get someone to take Bonino at 50%. I just don’t think they can toss him to Ottawa as a means to get that pick for Zaitsev.
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I could agree with that. I could see it if we did a 2nd+Thomson or something with Zaitsev for him. That bottom 6 is dreadful for OTT.
 
SJSharks72 said:
I could agree with that. I could see it if we did a 2nd+Thomson or something with Zaitsev for him. That bottom 6 is dreadful for OTT.
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It is but the Sens probably aren’t buying to take a run at the playoffs. They’re nine points out. They’ll want to address that in the off-season. They’d take Nieto and flip him for a mid-round pick. I’d look to have them take Harrington or Gadjovich or Svechnikov when you’re getting nothing for them and flip Nieto ourselves for that extra mid-round pick.
 
If you get a chance of getting 1st rounder for this year from a non playoff team, you do it immediately. 2023 draft is looks to be so stacked that let's say Sharks win the lottery (very unlikely, maybe #2-3 is possible) and Ottawa pick becomes #11-13, that's the best thing to happen to the Sharks rebuild wise. You can have a whole new look next year. Big year for Grier to change the course.
 
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mogambomoroo said:
If you get a chance of getting 1st rounder for this year from a non playoff team, you do it immediately. 2023 draft is looks to be so stacked that let's say Sharks win the lottery (very unlikely, maybe #2-3 is possible) and Ottawa pick becomes #11-13, that's the best thing to happen to the Sharks rebuild wise. You can have a whole new look next year. Big year for Grier to change the course.
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No way they dont attach protection. But yeah get more firsts if at all possible
 
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