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Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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Pavelski2112 said:
The only way the Sharks get Bedard with Karlsson on the roster is if Karlsson is injured once again, which, to be fair, is an entirely likely scenario.
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This is true...I wasn't including this scenario because I'm hoping for the best health-wise for Karlsson. But yes, if they keep him and he goes down + trade Reimer, Meier, and other depth pieces, might happen
 
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I think everyone agrees that Sharks ain't a contending team with only Bedard + Eklund/Bordeleau + this main core (Hertl, Couture, Meier, Karlsson) but I can see Bedard being a big enough piece to build around without going through a total rebuild. The main thing is that it makes Sharks more attractive destination for players if Bedard comes as advertised. Free agents that have value want to play for a team that probably has the next big superstar. I know it's all talk before anything actually happens (chance on Bedard, trades etc) but I could see Bedard being a very valuable piece both off and on the ice to this team.

Question to all: Bedard, Fantilli or Carlsson, who has the most value for the future Sharks team, playing style/size wise?
 
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DG93 said:
Appreciate the exercise, but to add to what others have already said, I also don't see us getting Bedard with Karlsson et al staying either. It would have to be a big fire sale (Meier, Karlsson, Reimer) for that to happen. Anaheim has 1 regulation win in almost 25 games.
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It's still early. Anaheim isn't going to maintain this level of awful the whole way. That and I'd be happy if the Sharks ended up 2nd to last. Worst position you get is 4th and that's still going to get a player that will be a future core piece but you also have the best chance to leapfrog them compared to everyone else.

mogambomoroo said:
I think everyone agrees that Sharks ain't a contending team with only Bedard + Eklund/Bordeleau + this main core (Hertl, Couture, Meier, Karlsson) but I can see Bedard being a big enough piece to build around without going through a total rebuild. The main thing is that it makes Sharks more attractive destination for players if Bedard comes as advertised. Free agents that have value want to play for a team that probably has the next big superstar. I know it's all talk before anything actually happens (chance on Bedard, trades etc) but I could see Bedard being a very valuable piece both off and on the ice to this team.

Question to all: Bedard, Fantilli or Carlsson, who has the most value for the future Sharks team, playing style/size wise?
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Bedard because he's the best talent among them.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
It's still early. Anaheim isn't going to maintain this level of awful the whole way. That and I'd be happy if the Sharks ended up 2nd to last. Worst position you get is 4th and that's still going to get a player that will be a future core piece but you also have the best chance to leapfrog them compared to everyone else.


Bedard because he's the best talent among them.
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Agreed on both points. I would honestly rank the three centers in that order (Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson) anyway. Not sure where to slot Michkov in - talent alone, probably just behind Bedard, but I think he's just much riskier than the others for, well, reasons.
 
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The Sharks have currently the second worst point percentage with Karlsson on a heater and Meier playing well.
I expect Karlsson's production to cool down and Meier is streaky (but production should stay the same rate by years end). Whilst I expect Chicago and Arizona's form to drop a bit, I also expect the Ducks to have some improvement in the second half.
 
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Cas said:
Agreed on both points. I would honestly rank the three centers in that order (Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson) anyway. Not sure where to slot Michkov in - talent alone, probably just behind Bedard, but I think he's just much riskier than the others for, well, reasons.
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Pretty much all this. I think I’d take Michkov anywhere after those 3. I’m kind of at the point that I think Fantilli is second best in this draft but Michkov is damn good too. He also has a contract for a few years in the KHL so hypothetically we could still suck for a year or two and continue picking up high picks to help build around Michkov. Issue is if we pick him we still desperately need a 1C and 1D still. Although a line of Eklund-C-Michkov would be amazing.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
It's still early. Anaheim isn't going to maintain this level of awful the whole way. That and I'd be happy if the Sharks ended up 2nd to last. Worst position you get is 4th and that's still going to get a player that will be a future core piece but you also have the best chance to leapfrog them compared to everyone else.
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I don't know, they certainly look the part of being this bad the rest of the way. 1) Gibson has been trash for years so he's no Reimer even 2) they basically have the Sharks defense minus Karlsson, and 3) while Zegras/Terry are fun to watch, they basically don't even have the equivalent of Hertl, Meier, and Couture. That team is straight garbage...

Agreed re the last part, even if you get Michkov at 4th overall, that's a big win. This team will be awful for years and need as many top picks as they can get. Michkov staying in Russia for a few years while the Sharks keep drafting high isn't the worst possible outcome.
 
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DG93 said:
I don't know, they certainly look the part of being this bad the rest of the way. 1) Gibson has been trash for years so he's no Reimer even 2) they basically have the Sharks defense minus Karlsson, and 3) while Zegras/Terry are fun to watch, they basically don't even have the equivalent of Hertl, Meier, and Couture. That team is straight garbage...

Agreed re the last part, even if you get Michkov at 4th overall, that's a big win. This team will be awful for years and need as many top picks as they can get. Michkov staying in Russia for a few years while the Sharks keep drafting high isn't the worst possible outcome.
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I don't see it honestly. Gibson has numbers worse than the numbers he was sporting on similarly bad Ducks teams. They're bad but they're not this bad over the long haul, imo. I also don't think they have that bad of a blue line. I mean, we're not talking about defensive stalwarts or anything but Klingberg, Fowler, Shattenkirk, and Kulikov aren't terrible players like Vlasic, Benning, Simek, Ferraro, and Megna have been. All our guys shouldn't be in the NHL except maybe Ferraro but his play the last couple seasons have made himself debatable for that statement and that alone is a damning indictment of his play. Three of those four are or were at or above 30+ point pace which isn't eye-popping or anything but is pretty solidly NHL caliber.

Besides, as the season wears on, the Ducks are going to win games they shouldn't because teams like the Sharks who are also bad think the Ducks are much worse and take them lightly. It's already happened twice this year and it's what the Sharks did with the Kraken last year. lol
 
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Everyone keeps saying the sharks are not bad enough to get last in the league with karlsson. We are 5th worst with karlsson going bobby orr on the league. Unless everyone expects karlsson to keep this pace of well over a point per game for the next 60 or so games, then we are also worse then the record suggests once everybody falls back to there norms.
 
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Barrie22 said:
Everyone keeps saying the sharks are not bad enough to get last in the league with karlsson. We are 5th worst with karlsson going bobby orr on the league. Unless everyone expects karlsson to keep this pace of well over a point per game for the next 60 or so games, then we are also worse then the record suggests once everybody falls back to there norms.
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We're really second-worst, we have just played more games than most.
 
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themelkman said:
I would take any of the top guys

I know Michkov situation is a mess but hopefully by the time it matters he would be able to come over
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His situation isn't even that big of a mess. Him staying in Russia basically guarantees he won't be rushed to the NHL and put in a crap situation (bad linemates/minutes). The Sharks will be bottom of the league the next 3 years anyway so he wouldn't have to suffer through it, and could be our Kaprizov by the time he comes over.

He has the talent to be one of the next big goal scorers in the NHL.
 
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Bizz said:
Meier is better than Hintz but Hintz is a center, so his next contract should be similar.
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Meh I don’t know if I’d say better. I’d say similar. I do think that Hintz contract would be a good comparable though.

It still might be a bit more expensive though because Hintz took a bit of a discount. Also taxes.
 
Barrie22 said:
Everyone keeps saying the sharks are not bad enough to get last in the league with karlsson. We are 5th worst with karlsson going bobby orr on the league. Unless everyone expects karlsson to keep this pace of well over a point per game for the next 60 or so games, then we are also worse then the record suggests once everybody falls back to there norms.
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Only if you seriously believe Kahkonen is going to post a .884 SV% for the rest of the season. I never liked the trade and the Sharks defense isn’t doing him any favors but there’s no chance he’s that bad going forward.
 
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Only if you seriously believe Kahkonen is going to post a .884 SV% for the rest of the season. I never liked the trade and the Sharks defense isn’t doing him any favors but there’s no chance he’s that bad going forward.
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Its the average that our goalies has done outside of reimer.
 
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25 Game Report:

MVP
Erik Karlsson - 105pt pace, 53% 5v5 CF, 52% 5v5 xGF.

Positive Performers
Timo Meier - 75pt pace, 55% 5v5 CF, 58% 5v5 xGF, leading NHL in shots.

Tomas Hertl - 75pt pace, 55% 5v5 CF, 57% 5v5 xGF.

Logan Couture - 72pt pace, 42% 5v5 CF, 52% 5v5 xGF.

Kevin Labanc - 44pt pace, 57% 5v5 CF, 59% 5v5 xGF.

Alex Barabanov - 59pt pace, 46% 5v5 CF, 50% 5v5 xGF.

Matt Benning - 30pt pace, 46% 5v5 CF, 55% 5v5 xGF.

Matt Nieto - 30pt pace, 48% 5v5 CF, 50% 5v5 xGF.

Marc Edward Vlasic - 20pt pace, 48% 5v5 CF, 55% 5v5 xGF.

Negative Performers
Nick Bonino - 11pt pace, 43% 5v5 CF, 44% 5v5 xGF.

Mario Ferraro - 18pt pace, 46% 5v5 CF, 48% 5v5 xGF.

Radim Simek - 4pt pace, 44% 5v5 CF, 44% 5v5 xGF.

Oskar Lindblom - 14pt pace, 46% 5v5 CF, 42% 5v5 xGF.

Kaapo Kahkonen - 3.43 GAA, .884 Sv%, Ranked #64 out of 69 GSAx60.

Team Rankings:
Goals/60 - #20
Goals Against/60 - #22
Goal Differential/60 - #24
xGF% - #20
Point % - #29
 
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Stewie Griffin said:
His situation isn't even that big of a mess. Him staying in Russia basically guarantees he won't be rushed to the NHL and put in a crap situation (bad linemates/minutes). The Sharks will be bottom of the league the next 3 years anyway so he wouldn't have to suffer through it, and could be our Kaprizov by the time he comes over.

He has the talent to be one of the next big goal scorers in the NHL.
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If we went the Michkov route, I would trade Meier at the deadline (along with Reimer, etc.) for a 2023 1st. Draft Michkov and whomever with the other pick that was acquired. Keep tanking the next 2 years as Eklund, Bystedt, Bordeleau, and the other 2023 1st round pick develop. Then, when Michkov is ready to come over the for the 2025-2026 season, contracts-wise wouldn't be as bad: Couture/Karlsson (if not traded somehow) only have 2 years left of their deals, Vlasic has 1 year (buy him out), and the only long-term deal is Hertl. So you're bringing in Michkov with (hopefully) Eklund, Bordeleau, Bystedt, and the other 2023 1st round pick ready to be top-9 contributors, Hertl still a top-6 center at age 32, Karlsson/Couture in 2nd pair and top-9 roles, and two top-5 picks from the 2024 and 2025 drafts via continued tanking. Should have decent cap space at that point as well with Labanc, Simek, Vlasic, and Ferraro all off the books +/- Karlsson if he's somehow actually dealt.

Definitely an interesting thought process, and it would fit for a team that's not anywhere close to actual contention. I think that may be the route that Chicago ends up taking (trade Kane/Toews at the deadline) rather than the Sharks. Would be pretty cool to have our own Kaprizov though.
 
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DG93 said:
If we went the Michkov route, I would trade Meier at the deadline (along with Reimer, etc.) for a 2023 1st. Draft Michkov and whomever with the other pick that was acquired. Keep tanking the next 2 years as Eklund, Bystedt, Bordeleau, and the other 2023 1st round pick develop. Then, when Michkov is ready to come over the for the 2025-2026 season, contracts-wise wouldn't be as bad: Couture/Karlsson (if not traded somehow) only have 2 years left of their deals, Vlasic has 1 year (buy him out), and the only long-term deal is Hertl. So you're bringing in Michkov with (hopefully) Eklund, Bordeleau, Bystedt, and the other 2023 1st round pick ready to be top-9 contributors, Hertl still a top-6 center at age 32, Karlsson/Couture in 2nd pair and top-9 roles, and two top-5 picks from the 2024 and 2025 drafts via continued tanking. Should have decent cap space at that point as well with Labanc, Simek, Vlasic, and Ferraro all off the books +/- Karlsson if he's somehow actually dealt.

Definitely an interesting thought process, and it would fit for a team that's not anywhere close to actual contention. I think that may be the route that Chicago ends up taking (trade Kane/Toews at the deadline) rather than the Sharks. Would be pretty cool to have our own Kaprizov though.
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Funny that Kaprizov was drafted in the 5th round. No tanking needed.
 
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