Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[TheBeard]

One of my least favorite things about Burns is how often fans called for him to be moved to wing. Yea he was a fine wing, mostly because Thornton drove that line. But he was one of the best dmen in the league when on his game. You take a #1D over a winger any day of the week.

Well, the last couple of years when we were desperate for forwards, it made more sense to move him back up. It would have lowered his minutes and given us another top 6 option. It's not like we couldn't have plugged in another defensive liability on the blueline.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Ferraro is not particularly good at anything defensively save for blocking shots and breaking up chances. He's not particularly good at exiting the zone or preventing zone entries. He also doesn't really generate much offense - of course, being paired with Burns for two years may skew the data somewhat (of course you're not going to do much offensively when you're partner is Burns), but watching Ferraro doesn't exactly indicate he has a ton to offer there anyway.

He does eat a lot of minutes, though, and what he does do well has value. Third pairing is probably reasonable, maybe the supporting half of a good second pair player. He's probably overpaid by $1 million, which isn't awful (every team is overpaying some people) save that the Sharks are already overpaying Vlasic by about $6.3 million, Karlsson by $3.5 million, and Simek by $1.5 million. It's also of course possible that Ferraro has room to grow.

I'm basically not going to worry about Ferraro too much, but it does seem that he's not going to turn into anything more than a #4 defenseman and is best suited as a #5-6 but is forced to play above his abilities right now.

The previous management valued his motor and willingness to sacrifice. That does matter to some degree of course. I think it's telling that Grier agreed to a term that leads Ferraro right to UFA. GM's don't tend to do that with someone they've bought into themselves.

 

[Barrie22]

Ferraro is not particularly good at anything defensively save for blocking shots and breaking up chances. He's not particularly good at exiting the zone or preventing zone entries. He also doesn't really generate much offense - of course, being paired with Burns for two years may skew the data somewhat (of course you're not going to do much offensively when you're partner is Burns), but watching Ferraro doesn't exactly indicate he has a ton to offer there anyway.

He does eat a lot of minutes, though, and what he does do well has value. Third pairing is probably reasonable, maybe the supporting half of a good second pair player. He's probably overpaid by $1 million, which isn't awful (every team is overpaying some people) save that the Sharks are already overpaying Vlasic by about $6.3 million, Karlsson by $3.5 million, and Simek by $1.5 million. It's also of course possible that Ferraro has room to grow.

I'm basically not going to worry about Ferraro too much, but it does seem that he's not going to turn into anything more than a #4 defenseman and is best suited as a #5-6 but is forced to play above his abilities right now.

Working with burns could of made his offensive numbers look better then he actually is because his entire thing in the defensive and offensive zone would be to get burns the puck.

 

[matt trick]

I like to think Ferraro may be the last piece traded before they come out of their re-build. Exactly the type of player teams look for at the deadline. Physical, reasonably competent defenseman, who plays hard, eats pk minutes, handles the puck adequately. Upgrades your bottom pairing, and gives you a viable top 4 d-man in his prime should injuries occur. At 50% with 1.25 years remaining you may get a 1st (or 2 2nds), particularly if he improves between 24-27 years old.

 

[tiburon12]

I know I speculated loosely before about Burns existence on the roster being a roadblock for Karl, but man just another game where he was given the keys to the D and delivered.

 

[jarr92]

I know I speculated loosely before about Burns existence on the roster being a roadblock for Karl, but man just another game where he was given the keys to the D and delivered.

He's currently playing at a 102 point, 61 goal pace

 

[Karl Prime]

I know I speculated loosely before about Burns existence on the roster being a roadblock for Karl, but man just another game where he was given the keys to the D and delivered.

It's just more about health now. He did have 26 points in 33 games before he injury last season and had 10 goals in 50 games. I think Quinn is giving him more freedom than Boughner did, which is helping.

 

[tiburon12]

It's just more about health now. He did have 26 points in 33 games before he injury last season and had 10 goals in 50 games. I think Quinn is giving him more freedom than Boughner did, which is helping.

For sure, but it's also ice time not having to defer to burns. Burns would have been the go-to guy on the 6-5, started those OTs, etc

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Had a question for you Sharks fans and seeing that Bedard chase possibly heating up soon, is Reimer trade bait for you guys this year? We've had a goalie carousel over here in NJ and I was wondering what the price tag for him would be at the deadline, like a 2nd or 3rd? Hopefully you guys land Bedard so he stays out of the East. Love how EK65 is playing too, he looks like prime Karlsson once again.

 

[Great Makohead Shork]

Had a question for you Sharks fans and seeing that Bedard chase possibly heating up soon, is Reimer trade bait for you guys this year? We've had a goalie carousel over here in NJ and I was wondering what the price tag for him would be at the deadline, like a 2nd or 3rd? Hopefully you guys land Bedard so he stays out of the East. Love how EK65 is playing too, he looks like prime Karlsson once again.

It's alleged that Grier's asking price is a 2nd round pick. I think he's been playing pretty well so far this year.

SOURCE: Sharks Want 2nd-Round Pick for Reimer (+)

This might be why the San Jose Sharks haven’t traded a goalie yet. The Sharks’ asking price for James Reimer is a second-round pick, according to a source. Earlier this week, San Jose Hockey Now reported of Reimer, “there was interest from another team last month in the veteran netminder. But...

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Also what a great win for you guys today. Nice seeing Bratt beasting it out there. Hope you guys get him locked up soon.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

It's alleged that Grier's asking price is a 2nd round pick. I think he's been playing pretty well so far this year.

SOURCE: Sharks Want 2nd-Round Pick for Reimer (+)

This might be why the San Jose Sharks haven’t traded a goalie yet. The Sharks’ asking price for James Reimer is a second-round pick, according to a source. Earlier this week, San Jose Hockey Now reported of Reimer, “there was interest from another team last month in the veteran netminder. But...

sanjosehockeynow.com

Also what a great win for you guys today. Nice seeing Bratt beasting it out there. Hope you guys get him locked up soon.

I think there's a trade here possibly, Reimer would be fantastic seeing as Blackwood probably tore his groin into 500 pieces tonight in Edmonton, I don't want to put a huge workload or even trust a goalie coming off hip surgery in Bernier and I don't want to burn out Vanecek as well. And yeah, they've been firing on all cylinders since the 0-2 start. It makes me want to go all in as a Devils fan but I also want to see how the young guns play come postseason time should they make it, I think they'll be great but you never know.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think there's a trade here possibly, Reimer would be fantastic seeing as Blackwood probably tore his groin into 500 pieces tonight in Edmonton, I don't want to put a huge workload or even trust a goalie coming off hip surgery in Bernier and I don't want to burn out Vanecek as well. And yeah, they've been firing on all cylinders since the 0-2 start. It makes me want to go all in as a Devils fan but I also want to see how the young guns play come postseason time should they make it, I think they'll be great but you never know.

If New Jersey wants Reimer or any other goalie for that matter, they're going to have to find answers for what to do with Bernier and Blackwood. One would probably head back to San Jose for Reimer but the other still involves trading a goalie at a low point in value. That's not going to be easy.

 

[Gecklund]

Had a question for you Sharks fans and seeing that Bedard chase possibly heating up soon, is Reimer trade bait for you guys this year? We've had a goalie carousel over here in NJ and I was wondering what the price tag for him would be at the deadline, like a 2nd or 3rd? Hopefully you guys land Bedard so he stays out of the East. Love how EK65 is playing too, he looks like prime Karlsson once again.

Reimer has been great for us and I think NJD is a great destination for him. I personally think a Timo+Reimer trade to NJD would instantly catapult them into title contention. We’d take back cap in like Bernier and Tatar or Johnsson or something but NJD is in an interesting position to go all in.

 

[nabbyfan]

Were 15% of the way through the season, have only won 3 games, and are somehow only 3 points out of a playoff spot, 5 if you count the extra games we've played. Thats crazy haha. I would argue the team has played better than their record too, theyve been in a lot of games against really good teams that just havent quite gone their way. The goal scoring just isn't there most nights

EK65 looks like such a different player, it hurts to think about what this franchise would be like if he played like this from the get go, but what can you do. Glad to see he is healthy and seemingly enjoying playing here again.

 

[BuffaloSabresSword]

Have Erik Karlsson been so good as the point stats say this season ?

Better then earlier seasons as a Shark ?

 

[one2gamble]

Have Erik Karlsson been so good as the point stats say this season ?

Better then earlier seasons as a Shark ?

hes had bursts of play close to this in the past

 

[Karl Prime]

Have Erik Karlsson been so good as the point stats say this season ?

Better then earlier seasons as a Shark ?

Yes. The only time he played this well was for a 4-6 week stretch in the 18-19 season (his first) but this is more impressive because that team was loaded up front and this team may be the weakest forward group in the league offensively.

 

[Karl Prime]

Were 15% of the way through the season, have only won 3 games, and are somehow only 3 points out of a playoff spot, 5 if you count the extra games we've played. Thats crazy haha. I would argue the team has played better than their record too, theyve been in a lot of games against really good teams that just havent quite gone their way. The goal scoring just isn't there most nights

EK65 looks like such a different player, it hurts to think about what this franchise would be like if he played like this from the get go, but what can you do. Glad to see he is healthy and seemingly enjoying playing here again.

Ever since the Rangers game when they got their first win, their play has been a lot better. 3-3-2. Even if EK is directly responsible for 4 of those 8 points they look competitive and work hard every game.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Have Erik Karlsson been so good as the point stats say this season ?

Better then earlier seasons as a Shark ?

He’s been better than his stats.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Reimer has been great for us and I think NJD is a great destination for him. I personally think a Timo+Reimer trade to NJD would instantly catapult them into title contention. We’d take back cap in like Bernier and Tatar or Johnsson or something but NJD is in an interesting position to go all in.

Would Holtz + 1st be a good starter for Meier and then I'm assuming Tatar + another pick for Reimer?

 

[Gecklund]

Would Holtz + 1st be a good starter for Meier and then I'm assuming Tatar + another pick for Reimer?

Yeah definitely. I was thinking something basically exactly like that:
Holtz+1st+Bernier for Timo
Tatar/Johnsson+2nd for Reimer

I’d be willing to do the first in 23 (and lottery win protect it) and then second in 24 so you guys actually have a pick in the first three rounds next year.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Yeah definitely. I was thinking something basically exactly like that:
Holtz+1st+Bernier for Timo
Tatar/Johnsson+2nd for Reimer

I’d be willing to do the first in 23 (and lottery win protect it) and then second in 24 so you guys actually have a pick in the first three rounds next year.

Let's email this to Grier and Fitz real quick But I'd be ok with this, I'm assuming most Devils fans would be too, only worry is Meier's contract status but you don't make a trade like that without being sure he'd re-sign in NJ anyway. I'm sure having two of his Swiss buddies would help that as well, lol.

 

[Jargon]

Have Erik Karlsson been so good as the point stats say this season ?

Better then earlier seasons as a Shark ?

He’s had bursts where he’s been close to this but, even then, not this level of dominance. As @Juxtaposer said - he’s better than his stats. He currently IS the Sharks and basically the only reason we’ve been in games. This season, I basically watch the Sharks to watch Karlsson be one of the best players in the world for the first time in like 8 years.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

I neede Joe thorton

 

[LadyStanley]

Reimer #2 option