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Ferraro's just a 2nd pairing minute muncher. If we had a good defense, he'd be a set and forget #4/#5.
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tiburon12
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Exactly. And a "get in the way" type of rush defenseman as well.
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Anyone like the idea of trying fetch Girard/E.Johnson + picks for Couture? Both are in 3rd pair right now, because of their depth in defence. Sharks have a problem with cap space and Colorado doesn't have a true 2C right now. Couture has shown signs that if he plays with the right players, he can still be very useful and don't even mention his playoff success
Sam Girard has a potential to be our n.2 defencemen, only thing I'm not sure about is if his style of play compliments us defensively.
If he can build a chemistry with Ferraro and play right side, that would help a lot in the future. Girard is also automatically our 2nd PP player.
Erik Johnson (with draft picks) is in last year of his contract and can bring that 2nd line right defence punch for this season, I think if he works out and wants to stay he can be offered 2-3mil next season as an veteran presence piece. Likely he won't stay but then you have cap space.
I'm more towards Girard, but if the right deal is done Johnson can help us off load Couture at a right time.
This is straight cap hit move, but it potentially gives depth to our defence.
Sam Girard has a potential to be our n.2 defencemen, only thing I'm not sure about is if his style of play compliments us defensively.
If he can build a chemistry with Ferraro and play right side, that would help a lot in the future. Girard is also automatically our 2nd PP player.
Erik Johnson (with draft picks) is in last year of his contract and can bring that 2nd line right defence punch for this season, I think if he works out and wants to stay he can be offered 2-3mil next season as an veteran presence piece. Likely he won't stay but then you have cap space.
I'm more towards Girard, but if the right deal is done Johnson can help us off load Couture at a right time.
This is straight cap hit move, but it potentially gives depth to our defence.
I've been in favor of trading Couture for some time now. On a good team, he's a better player.
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Can we maybe bring DW in as a 2nd on this for one last deal where he uses his magic fleecing powers to swap out Girard for Byram? Please? Just one more DW crazy trade so I can have a player I love on the team I love?
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A Girard-Merkley pairing would probably be the worst but most fun duo to watch in the entire league
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I love Girard but if people are complaining about EK’s defense, Girard is worse.
tiburon12
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If Vlasic, Karlsson and Simek all play dramatically better over the full course of this year (when compared to the last 2 years), when do we draw the conclusion that Burns was the problem? Maybe not him personally but management/coaching's decisions to build around him?
This was the biggest concern I had when DW traded for EK65. There really is only room for one Offense-oriented Defenseman on any given club.
Brent Burns didn't break out until after Dan Boyle left.
Burns was an awful defenceman who was getting close to half the game. He would have been a disaster under Quinn.
Then leave Girard where he's at is my vote. Sharks need defensemen that can actually play defense.
But he was a forward moved over to defense to give the Sharks more spark. Fans loved it back then and thought that Vlasic/Braun would cure all ills. They signed on for EK65 and Merkley to add more offensive capability to the defense, and here we are.
This is DW's perspective of what a defense should be, but it didn't win a cup and put too much pressure on goalies.
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Burns was drafted as a forward but entered the NHL as a defenseman
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Burns played defense with Couchiching in junior A, right wing in the OHL, back to defense with Minnesota, and then back and forth at various times as I'm sure everyone here knows.
Burns was drafted as a forward, but he already had relatively high-level experience as a defenseman and has played defense for most of his professional career, right from the start.
Burns was drafted as a forward, but he already had relatively high-level experience as a defenseman and has played defense for most of his professional career, right from the start.
hohosaregood
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Burns was a defenseman long before he came to the Sharks, was acquired to be a defenseman, and was much more effective on defense than he was at wing
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One of my least favorite things about Burns is how often fans called for him to be moved to wing. Yea he was a fine wing, mostly because Thornton drove that line. But he was one of the best dmen in the league when on his game. You take a #1D over a winger any day of the week.
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So hertl is one of the untouchables.
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Whether or not one thinks he would be better of traded, I think the big issue is that it's a bad look to trade away someone almost immediately after he signs a new long-term contract. Grier may not have signed off on the deal himself, but he still has to worry about the optics--what this would say to other players in the organization and other players he may try to acquire from around the league.
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Ferraro would be third-pairing on most teams
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Ferraro is not particularly good at anything defensively save for blocking shots and breaking up chances. He's not particularly good at exiting the zone or preventing zone entries. He also doesn't really generate much offense - of course, being paired with Burns for two years may skew the data somewhat (of course you're not going to do much offensively when you're partner is Burns), but watching Ferraro doesn't exactly indicate he has a ton to offer there anyway.
He does eat a lot of minutes, though, and what he does do well has value. Third pairing is probably reasonable, maybe the supporting half of a good second pair player. He's probably overpaid by $1 million, which isn't awful (every team is overpaying some people) save that the Sharks are already overpaying Vlasic by about $6.3 million, Karlsson by $3.5 million, and Simek by $1.5 million. It's also of course possible that Ferraro has room to grow.
I'm basically not going to worry about Ferraro too much, but it does seem that he's not going to turn into anything more than a #4 defenseman and is best suited as a #5-6 but is forced to play above his abilities right now.
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