Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II
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The term, cap hit and injury history are too high for it to go smoothly for both parties, if someone is really a #1 RD away from playoffs they'll probably give a call.
I think for the Sharks, it's all about retaining as little money as possible and of course hopefully getting something back. If someone is offering to take the whole contract, you take and run.
Realistically I think Karlsson is here for the long run and will serve as an veteran presence to the next wave of Sharks.
Exciting times in Shark land with the rebuild apparently underway.
It’s going to be interesting to see what Grier’s vision for the team looks like, although he’s limited on impact moves due to the only guys with value based off skill having little to negative value because of their contracts.
I only see Timo, Mario, and Reimer as guys that would fetch more than a 3rd unfortunately.
It’s going to be interesting to see what Grier’s vision for the team looks like, although he’s limited on impact moves due to the only guys with value based off skill having little to negative value because of their contracts.
I only see Timo, Mario, and Reimer as guys that would fetch more than a 3rd unfortunately.
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Guys that I’d like to see move before the TDL:
James Reimer: this one is obvious. Kahkonen has played well for the most part and Reimer has played really well. I could see TOR, MIN, VAN, PIT, NJD, DAL, LAK, BUF, CHI being interested to various levels. Given our relationship with MIN and Fleury just straight crapping out so far, I’m going to guess there for Peart+3rd.
Nick Bonino: another obvious one. Contract up after this year and his replacement already in house. Probably goes to a team that needs bottom 6 help. Interested teams: FLA, COL, PHI, PIT, BUF. This return really depends how and when he comes back. I’m going to guess a 4th in return.
Matt Nieto: dude actually has turned it around A LITTLE bit this season and showed a little bit more offensive awareness. That combined with his PK ability, I think pretty much every playoff team will be interested. I’d ask a 3rd in return but would settle for a 4th.
Noah Gregor: I’m genuinely not sure what we could get in return for him. I’d be looking for a similar ability/age defenseman. Maybe to PIT for Ty Smith or PO Joseph? They don’t have room for both on their team and Gregor could be a good winger for them.
Alex Barabanov: I think this is a sell high situation. He’s looked good enough. He’s also signed for not very much and I think we already have replacements in house. Id ask a 2nd+prospect but settle for just a 2nd.
Timo Meier: this one is entirely just to embrace the tank. Give me Holtz+1st and put Holtz with Hertl and Eklund and see what happens.
James Reimer: this one is obvious. Kahkonen has played well for the most part and Reimer has played really well. I could see TOR, MIN, VAN, PIT, NJD, DAL, LAK, BUF, CHI being interested to various levels. Given our relationship with MIN and Fleury just straight crapping out so far, I’m going to guess there for Peart+3rd.
Nick Bonino: another obvious one. Contract up after this year and his replacement already in house. Probably goes to a team that needs bottom 6 help. Interested teams: FLA, COL, PHI, PIT, BUF. This return really depends how and when he comes back. I’m going to guess a 4th in return.
Matt Nieto: dude actually has turned it around A LITTLE bit this season and showed a little bit more offensive awareness. That combined with his PK ability, I think pretty much every playoff team will be interested. I’d ask a 3rd in return but would settle for a 4th.
Noah Gregor: I’m genuinely not sure what we could get in return for him. I’d be looking for a similar ability/age defenseman. Maybe to PIT for Ty Smith or PO Joseph? They don’t have room for both on their team and Gregor could be a good winger for them.
Alex Barabanov: I think this is a sell high situation. He’s looked good enough. He’s also signed for not very much and I think we already have replacements in house. Id ask a 2nd+prospect but settle for just a 2nd.
Timo Meier: this one is entirely just to embrace the tank. Give me Holtz+1st and put Holtz with Hertl and Eklund and see what happens.
Josh Norris hasn’t panned out. He’s out for the year with a shoulder injury. People are now worried his career is in jeopardy as he has had shoulder problems for a long time. We can take that information, twist it, ignore context, and eventually come to the conclusion that he is another stain on DW Jr’s record.
Your crusade against DW Jr. is firmly entrenched in the weird obsession category. When people defend Jr’s picks, it’s because they see the possibility of value in the players. It was a welcome shift to see the philosophy change from Mark Shoemakers and Justin Daniels to Thomas Bordeleaus and Jake Furlongs. Are all Jr’s picks winners? Of course not, most of them will fail, like most draft picks. Taking unnecessary shots at him at every turn doesn’t really serve a purpose. He’s gone and it’s a strange choice.
Anyone complaining about the prospect pool, the new regime is actively developing prospects right now in the AHL as opposed to calling them up. It’s a different philosophy. Don’t equate that to the prospects not developing or being bad. Give it some time.
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I'd add Ferraro to that list as well. By the time we're good again he won't be. But I doubt any team will trade for him.
Gecklund
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I wouldn’t simply because at that point we then have EK and a bunch of at best 7Ds. I get wanting to be bad but that’s going to put our defensive prospects in a real weird spot. Unless someone is giving up a first+ for him, I’d keep him.
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Agreed that these are who we should be looking to move. Of course, if someone calls about others, you listen.
I like the Reimer to MIN match. Agreed that Nieto has increased his trade value too.
I'm more pessimistic about Bonino's and Gregor's value. Not sure how many would be interested in those two at any cost right now.
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I kind of wonder if, league-wide, we've seen a shift away from the traditional "contender goes all-in" philosophy that guys like DW loved. GMs are valuing youth, picks, and comprehensive team-building more than ever. It just won Colorado a cup...
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Gregor isn't very good, and if he's going to spent the season buried on the bench, I would bet he gets non-tendered and any team could pick him up for free then. Seems like a "future considerations" sort of player.
Bonino's cooked, but someone might get desperate for a 4C and spend a 6th to acquire a guy they hope can fill that role (I don't know that Bonino can, but given the Sharks have clearly thought he could be a 3C, someone somewhere is going to think he could be a 4C).
Bonino's cooked, but someone might get desperate for a 4C and spend a 6th to acquire a guy they hope can fill that role (I don't know that Bonino can, but given the Sharks have clearly thought he could be a 3C, someone somewhere is going to think he could be a 4C).
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I think with Bonino, it’s entirely one of those overvalued vets that has playoff experience and can play C. That’s where most of value lies. Basically the same as Cogliano last year.
Gregor is someone who I think a lot of teams would be interested in. His finishing is hot garbage but his transition stats were some of the best on the team last season. At only 24 with a 1 year 0.95 contract, I could see a team taking a chance for another struggling 23-25 year old player that might be getting pushed out cause of depth. Heponiemi from FLA might be another one that we could look at.
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Dear NHL GMs,
Look what getting a guy like Jeff Petry can do for your team, imagine Erik Karlsson on your team!
He's revived Crosby to the tune of 11 points in 7 games.
Petry recently led his Canadiens to the Stanley Cup finals too.
Look what getting a guy like Jeff Petry can do for your team, imagine Erik Karlsson on your team!
He's revived Crosby to the tune of 11 points in 7 games.
Petry recently led his Canadiens to the Stanley Cup finals too.
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I’d take back cap dumps for EK for sure but damn he’s a fantastic player that would cost a lot.
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I think we are to some extent. Part of this is probably by necessity, with the cap not going up as it was expected to, but it's forced a lot of managers into utilizing more young players on good teams instead of filling those roles entirely with higher-priced veterans.
And I'm sure there are some who see teams like the Sharks as a bit of a cautionary tale, though that's a more complicated story because any organization would love to have a run as long as we did where you're in contention--it's just a question of knowing when to pull the plug, which is something teams who are in the thick of competing aren't worried about at all right now.
As for the talk on trading EK65, I just don't see it happening at least for a couple years. All about the salary cap. The amount of money that the Sharks would have to eat for it to be feasible for any of these good teams who are close to the cap and will be past this year? That's just sort of mad, even for someone as rich as Hasso, and even then would be a big challenge for many of these teams if you look at where they are now and will be next year on Capfriendly.
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EK65 isn't going anywhere
If anything he's going to be wearing he C by start of next year
If anything he's going to be wearing he C by start of next year
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I’d rather just keep Karlsson. No one is going to trade for him realistically without us either retaining a massive amount of salary or sending us back an equally horrible contract, and the difference there is that Karlsson is actually good.
Ferraro, Reimer, Bonino, and Meier would be the guys I’d actively look to trade, with the caveat being I wouldn’t trade Meier unless the offer genuinely makes sense, whereas I’d move the others for whatever the best offer is.
Ferraro, Reimer, Bonino, and Meier would be the guys I’d actively look to trade, with the caveat being I wouldn’t trade Meier unless the offer genuinely makes sense, whereas I’d move the others for whatever the best offer is.
Trading Karlsson for a worse player with less term on his contract would be a net positive in the long run.
Gecklund
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Before the season started I would have jumped at that. I just can’t see us throwing away a 1D for cap relief. I get wanting to be bad but they need to put something on the ice. I’d guess EK and Hertl are basically untouchable and Ferraro, Couture are only for overpayment.
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It’s mind boggling how badly Doug Wilson lost every single negotiation down to the smallest ones over the last 5+ years. He extended Lane Pederson, who had zero leverage, to a two year contract that’s a one way deal this year. Aka a $750k guaranteed cash payout to a player who’s too terrible to ever warrant a call up from the minors. TWO teams have now dumped this deal to ease the sting of retaining salary on the other player in the trade.
Gecklund
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So Benning’s deal isn’t bad because it can be MOSTLY buried but Pederson’s deal is bad because it can be fully buried?
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I'm glad I refreshed the page, because I was going to make this exact post. Hodge posting half a paragraph to nitpick the Lane Pederson signing is the most Hodge thing I have seen at this point.
Hodge
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Any time you're paying someone a NHL salary to play in the AHL you made a bad deal. The difference is that Pederson actually is buried while Benning is playing well in top four minutes in the NHL.
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