Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Gecklund]

Dylan Guenther has 3 points in 5 games for the Yotes. His 2 goals are both on the PP. So he has 1 assist through even strength. He is also shooting at 22%, so I highly doubt that is sustainable.

So, let's look at some advanced metrics. His on-ice expected goals is 35% with his off-ice expected goals being 36.9%. So Arizona is more likely to score with him off the ice. The funny thing is he has good corsi and fenwick (2nd best on the Yotes) numbers - which means there is a lot of non-dangerous shots going on when he is on the ice.

Genuinely I think Hodge and Groo are Kurz’s burner accounts. They are all size and meathead hockey. It’s astounding.

 

[LadyStanley]

tl;dr: guys may be physically ready, but need to be mentally ready too.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Dylan Guenther has 3 points in 5 games for the Yotes. His 2 goals are both on the PP. So he has 1 assist through even strength. He is also shooting at 22%, so I highly doubt that is sustainable.

So, let's look at some advanced metrics. His on-ice expected goals is 35% with his off-ice expected goals being 36.9%. So Arizona is more likely to score with him off the ice. The funny thing is he has good corsi and fenwick (2nd best on the Yotes) numbers - which means there is a lot of non-dangerous shots going on when he is on the ice.

Guenther has always looked like a goalscorer with a big shot though. He's also pretty tall and lanky now with long arms and maybe that's why meatheads like Hodge and Kurz love him so much.

 

[tiburon12]

Genuinely I think Hodge and Groo are Kurz’s burner accounts. They are all size and meathead hockey. It’s astounding.

Hodge being a "ghost of Kurz" would be too funny and so on brand for ol Kurzy. I still subscribe to the theory that Hodge is JTR

 

[Levie]

Hodge being a "ghost of Kurz" would be too funny and so on brand for ol Kurzy. I still subscribe to the theory that Hodge is JTR

I actually think he's Tim Burke's burner account. Would explain why he hates DW Jr so much.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Goalie pipeline looks good so far!
Mäkiniemi and Mann having great stats in AHL, Dell has played his role perfectly as the NHL/AHL tweener, Kahkonen will be better than what some stats show and Reimer is the saviour.

Hate to see Reimer probably go on the trade deadline, but if traded for right value he will bring a lot of assets in return.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Goalie pipeline looks good so far!
Mäkiniemi and Mann having great stats in AHL, Dell has played his role perfectly as the NHL/AHL tweener, Kahkonen will be better than what some stats show and Reimer is the saviour.

Hate to see Reimer probably go on the trade deadline, but if traded for right value he will bring a lot of assets in return.

Ben Gaudreau should get the starting role for Team Canad at the upcoming WJC too.

Sharks have really come full circle from 2019 where goaltending was the one very apparent weakness. Now it's the only thing we have going on.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Dylan Guenther has 3 points in 5 games for the Yotes. His 2 goals are both on the PP. So he has 1 assist through even strength. He is also shooting at 22%, so I highly doubt that is sustainable.

So, let's look at some advanced metrics. His on-ice expected goals is 35% with his off-ice expected goals being 36.9%. So Arizona is more likely to score with him off the ice. The funny thing is he has good corsi and fenwick (2nd best on the Yotes) numbers - which means there is a lot of non-dangerous shots going on when he is on the ice.

What I love about this post is that it engages in the argument using @Hodge's language... analytics, analytics, analytics.

Ben Gaudreau should get the starting role for Team Canad at the upcoming WJC too.

Sharks have really come full circle from 2019 where goaltending was the one very apparent weakness. Now it's the only thing we have going on.

Let's pump the brakes there...

 

[Stewie Griffin]

What I love about this post is that it engages in the argument using @Hodge's language... analytics, analytics, analytics.


Let's pump the brakes there...

Pump what brakes? Goaltending has been our only decent thing this season. We have the worst goals/game in the NHL, and our defense allows the 2nd most shots against. Our Goals against/game is middle of the pack...because of our goaltending.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Pump what brakes? Goaltending has been our only decent thing this season. We have the worst goals/game in the NHL, and our defense allows the 2nd most shots against. Our Goals against/game is middle of the pack...because of our goaltending.

Small sample size and a lot of unknowns after Reimer.

 

[Groo]

Guenther has always looked like a goalscorer with a big shot though. He's also pretty tall and lanky now with long arms and maybe that's why meatheads like Hodge and Kurz love him so much.

What terrible attributes to have.

 

[Alaskanice]

I’m going to say it, our goaltending looks bright. Makiniemi, Mann, Gaudreau, Chrona and Beaupit. That’s something to crow about!!

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I’m going to say it, our goaltending looks bright. Makiniemi, Mann, Gaudreau, Chrona and Beaupit. That’s something to crow about!!

Hey! Small sample size...how dare you say that!

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Hey! Small sample size...how dare you say that!

It will always be difficult for me to have confidence in a goalie from one year to the next. Too many variables at play for me especially at the prospect level to be definitive about anything. Hope for the best but expect the worst. I like the addition of Thomas Speer to help Nabby with the coaching but I still feel like they're not adequately providing for the goaltending aspect of things yet but are improving. Right now, the hope as everyone pretty much knows is to keep Reimer's trade value up and hope to get at least a 2nd or something equivalent.

 

[Hodge]

I’m going to say it, our goaltending looks bright. Makiniemi, Mann, Gaudreau, Chrona and Beaupit. That’s something to crow about!!

Literally none of these guys project to be a starting goalie in the NHL.

No 1C of the future, no 1D of the future, no 1G of the future…but apart from that the Sharks are in great shape.

 

[Gecklund]

Literally none of these guys project to be a starting goalie in the NHL.

No 1C of the future, no 1D of the future, no 1G of the future…but apart from that the Sharks are in great shape.

I mean that’s just not true. Gaudreau was definitely projected to be a starter when drafted and nothing has really changed. Makaniemi posted excellent numbers in the A. Chrona good to great numbers in the NCAA. They aren’t going to be Vasi but genuinely there’s 5-6 goalies in the league that are better than 1A/1B goalies.

 

[Hodge]

I mean that’s just not true. Gaudreau was definitely projected to be a starter when drafted and nothing has really changed. Makaniemi posted excellent numbers in the A. Chrona good to great numbers in the NCAA. They aren’t going to be Vasi but genuinely there’s 5-6 goalies in the league that are better than 1A/1B goalies.

Yeah but according to you every prospect is projected to make the NHL. Maybe you have an inside scoop that the league is planning to expand to 64 teams by 2025.

 

[Gecklund]

Yeah but according to you every prospect is projected to make the NHL. Maybe you have an inside scoop that the league is planning to expand to 64 teams by 2025.

So you have no response. Got it. Just blowing hot air again.

 

[Hodge]

So you have no response. Got it. Just blowing hot air again.

It’s too ridiculous a post to seriously respond to. Chrona posted a .911 SV% in low scoring college hockey so he’s going to become a NHL starter apparently. I don’t think you understand how small a percentage of goalie prospects become starters and how dominant they typically need to be from an early age in order to get there.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Literally none of these guys project to be a starting goalie in the NHL.

No 1C of the future, no 1D of the future, no 1G of the future…but apart from that the Sharks are in great shape.

No one is claiming the Sharks are in great shape...we're not. We have 1 top 10 drafted prospect on the team who has scored like 2 pro goals in the last 18 months or whatever. The thing with goalies is you don't know what they will be or anything. The bright spot about our goaltending pipeline is atleast now there's a couple guys who aren't complete dogshit and have shown promise at various levels. Rather than just having Zac Emond who has been terrible forever.

 

[Gecklund]

It’s too ridiculous a post to seriously respond to. Chrona posted a .911 SV% in low scoring college hockey so he’s going to become a NHL starter apparently. I don’t think you understand how small a percentage of goalie prospects become starters and how dominant they typically need to be from an early age in order to get there.

Lol. Yes because a CHANCE to become a starter is the same as becoming a starter. Bud you are a f***ing riot. I genuinely don’t understand how you get through life. Like I don’t know whether you’re old as shit and can’t read anymore or you’re 12 and have no idea how to read. Chrona won a championship and was FANTASTIC during the run. He made multiple saves that he shouldn’t have. I don’t think you understand how low the bar is for a “starter” these days. Minnesota Wild (a team who many thought to be in the conversation for the cup) starter currently has a 4.30 GAA and .869 Sv%. Calgary Flames starter currently has a 2.50 GAA and a 0.907 Sv%. Yet Vegas’s starter put up 3.41 GAA and a 0.908 Sv% in his final season in the WHL and currently has a 2.02 GAA and a 0.931 Sv%.

Are they all guaranteed to be elite guys? Nope and I said that. But they have potential to be something.

 

[hohosaregood]

I don't have particularly high hopes for Chrona but the goalie pool is a far cry better now than it has been in the last 5-6 years

 

[SjMilhouse]

The sharks haven't developed or gained a goalie prospect of any note other than maybe Greiss since Nabby and Kipper and you could argue they made the wrong call going with Nabby/Toskala vs Kipper.

Having been lurking these boards for a long time...I've read the same hype about a number of prospects (Alex Stalock was going to be our savior lmao) and it hasn't planned out.

Goalies are lottery tickets. Even ones who become starters can become Jones after 2-3 promising seasons. Maybe we have a few extra lottery tickets with a 2% chance to win vs 1% but to hype our goalie prospect pool as a strength is kind of pointless given how absolutely random goalie development is. I feel like there are maybe 5 prospects in the entire league who have realistic shots of meeting their expectations

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I feel like there are maybe 5 prospects in the entire league who have realistic shots of meeting their expectations

Which is why we all feel better than we did before. Atleast instead of just having Mike Robinson/Zac Emond in the pipeline...there are a handful of guys.

Should've just taken Wallstedt 7th overall in 21.

 

[SjMilhouse]

Which is why we all feel better than we did before. Atleast instead of just having Mike Robinson/Zac Emond in the pipeline...there are a handful of guys.

Should've just taken Wallstedt 7th overall in 21.

I mean at a certain point I've read the same thing "our prospect pool is so much better than x years ago" and yet here we are....with no much to show for the improved prospect pool except a new "well our prospect pool is better than 3 years ago".