Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Hodge]

For everyone who hated on Boughner, David Quinn is what an actual incompetent coach looks like. It’s great for the tank but I have no idea why you would scratch Labanc and Gregor while playing Bonino in the top six when the team can’t generate offense.

 

[TheBeard]

For everyone who hated on Boughner, David Quinn is what an actual incompetent coach looks like. It’s great for the tank but I have no idea why you would scratch Labanc and Gregor while playing Bonino in the top six when the team can’t generate offense.

I have no reason to believe anymore that Kevin can generate as much offense as Bonino.

I think Couture @ 3M retained would be a great option in Colorado. Say what you want about his drive on a losing team, but he's a big time performer on a winning team. He would fit Colorado's window nicely and afford Newhook a little more time to mature into the 2C role.

A package around Girard and picks wouldn't be unreasonable.

Especially with Gabe out on LTIR now

 

[themelkman]

David Quinn is exactly what I expected, but seems like it will actually be for the better because a good coach wouldnt change this team.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

For everyone who hated on Boughner, David Quinn is what an actual incompetent coach looks like. It’s great for the tank but I have no idea why you would scratch Labanc and Gregor while playing Bonino in the top six when the team can’t generate offense.

You're really trying to make this point when Boughner has done this before? He's not going to give you a job no matter how much you kiss his ass. The difference in incompetency levels between Boughner and Quinn is there but it's largely irrelevant. Boughner scratched Gregor and Labanc before and put Bonino in the top six just like Quinn is doing. Seems like a stupid attempt at a point here.

 

[weastern bias]

The record for the lowest point total (post 2006 lockout with OT loss points) is the 2020 Red Wings with 39 points

They went 17-49-5

We have a real chance to set the modern record

 

[Cas]

The record for the lowest point total (post 2006 lockout with OT loss points) is the 2020 Red Wings with 39 points

They went 17-49-5

We have a real chance to set the modern record

To expand on that, the lowest since 2006 in a full 82-game season was the 16-17 Avalanche, with 48 points (22-56-4).

That's doable. They had a single defenseman put up more than 20 points, garbage goaltending, and weak forward depth and a weak top six (albeit with promise, obviously).

 

[Dicdonya]

Probably best to try and stack the top 2 lines - Labanc already being benched is pretty bad for the odds he rebuilds trade value.

That second line is *chefs kiss*

 

[Levie]

That second line is *chefs kiss*

Grier deserves GM of the year if he hired Quinn to tank. If he though he's good... Fire him since everyone thought he sucks

 

[tahoesharksfan]

I like moving Bonino up and putting Storm as the 3C. Time will tell if that makes any difference. Since the blue lines are still such a disaster though it may be hard to tell…

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Chefs kiss lol

 

[Selachimorpha]

Probably best to try and stack the top 2 lines - Labanc already being benched is pretty bad for the odds he rebuilds trade value.

You know you're in trouble when stacking lines refers to Bonino being moved up.

 

[hohosaregood]

Anybody else been pretty impressed with Kunin? He's been one of our better forward so far unfortunately

 

[WTFetus]

Probably best to try and stack the top 2 lines - Labanc already being benched is pretty bad for the odds he rebuilds trade value.

Maybe with three defensemen, our 2nd "pair" will be passable.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

David Quinn is exactly what I expected, but seems like it will actually be for the better because a good coach wouldnt change this team.

Not defending Quinn here, but its been 5 games for him, and we have what 3 top 6 forwards, 2 of which have already checked out.

Bill Belichick couldnt turn this cast of misfits into a playoff team

 

[Stewie Griffin]

The record for the lowest point total (post 2006 lockout with OT loss points) is the 2020 Red Wings with 39 points

They went 17-49-5

We have a real chance to set the modern record

To expand on that, the lowest since 2006 in a full 82-game season was the 16-17 Avalanche, with 48 points (22-56-4).

That's doable. They had a single defenseman put up more than 20 points, garbage goaltending, and weak forward depth and a weak top six (albeit with promise, obviously).

Fun fact: Both these teams dropped from 1 to 4 in the draft post-lottery...we're doomed.

 

[Shark in Hockeytown]

Allow me to give a different interpretation to what is going on with the Sharks.

First, the team has gone through a lot of turnover. One-third of the roster (7 out of 23, 8 out of 24 if you include Nutivaara) is new to the organization as is the coach. They had an abbreviated and disrupted training camp because of the trip to Europe. It is no surprise that they are playing poorly under those circumstances.

Second, the lineup choices are about accountability. When Quinn was hired as coach, he was described as one, a teacher, and two, all about accountability. Holding players accountable means those who play well, in the eyes of the coach, get more ice time and responsibility; those who don't get moved down or sat. Right now, the Sharks are getting secondary scoring but little from the top six. Is is a surprise that Quinn is giving the bottom line guys more ice time?

Now, I understand many of you disagree. Understand that Quinn may value and demand different things from his players than you would. If you think LaBanc should be in the lineup, tell us what he has done well than deserves a top six spot. If you think Bonino, Lorentz, or Sturm does not deserve to move up, say what they are doing wrong. And again, remember that Quinn may be looking for different things out of his players than you are.

We're 5% into the season. I am more interested in seeing how they play the last 20 games of this season than the first 20. That is the test of whether Grier and Quinn are changing the culture of the team.

 

[Alaskanice]

Allow me to give a different interpretation to what is going on with the Sharks.

First, the team has gone through a lot of turnover. One-third of the roster (7 out of 23, 8 out of 24 if you include Nutivaara) is new to the organization as is the coach. They had an abbreviated and disrupted training camp because of the trip to Europe. It is no surprise that they are playing poorly under those circumstances.

Second, the lineup choices are about accountability. When Quinn was hired as coach, he was described as one, a teacher, and two, all about accountability. Holding players accountable means those who play well, in the eyes of the coach, get more ice time and responsibility; those who don't get moved down or sat. Right now, the Sharks are getting secondary scoring but little from the top six. Is is a surprise that Quinn is giving the bottom line guys more ice time?

Now, I understand many of you disagree. Understand that Quinn may value and demand different things from his players than you would. If you think LaBanc should be in the lineup, tell us what he has done well than deserves a top six spot. If you think Bonino, Lorentz, or Sturm does not deserve to move up, say what they are doing wrong. And again, remember that Quinn may be looking for different things out of his players than you are.

We're 5% into the season. I am more interested in seeing how they play the last 20 games of this season than the first 20. That is the test of whether Grier and Quinn are changing the culture of the team.

Well thought out. I appreciate your patience in this. Your words should have an impact but sadly, they will fall to the wayside.

 

[TheBeard]

Allow me to give a different interpretation to what is going on with the Sharks.

First, the team has gone through a lot of turnover. One-third of the roster (7 out of 23, 8 out of 24 if you include Nutivaara) is new to the organization as is the coach. They had an abbreviated and disrupted training camp because of the trip to Europe. It is no surprise that they are playing poorly under those circumstances.

Second, the lineup choices are about accountability. When Quinn was hired as coach, he was described as one, a teacher, and two, all about accountability. Holding players accountable means those who play well, in the eyes of the coach, get more ice time and responsibility; those who don't get moved down or sat. Right now, the Sharks are getting secondary scoring but little from the top six. Is is a surprise that Quinn is giving the bottom line guys more ice time?

Now, I understand many of you disagree. Understand that Quinn may value and demand different things from his players than you would. If you think LaBanc should be in the lineup, tell us what he has done well than deserves a top six spot. If you think Bonino, Lorentz, or Sturm does not deserve to move up, say what they are doing wrong. And again, remember that Quinn may be looking for different things out of his players than you are.

We're 5% into the season. I am more interested in seeing how they play the last 20 games of this season than the first 20. That is the test of whether Grier and Quinn are changing the culture of the team.

I think for many here culture = winning.

 

[timorous me]

Allow me to give a different interpretation to what is going on with the Sharks.

First, the team has gone through a lot of turnover. One-third of the roster (7 out of 23, 8 out of 24 if you include Nutivaara) is new to the organization as is the coach. They had an abbreviated and disrupted training camp because of the trip to Europe. It is no surprise that they are playing poorly under those circumstances.

Second, the lineup choices are about accountability. When Quinn was hired as coach, he was described as one, a teacher, and two, all about accountability. Holding players accountable means those who play well, in the eyes of the coach, get more ice time and responsibility; those who don't get moved down or sat. Right now, the Sharks are getting secondary scoring but little from the top six. Is is a surprise that Quinn is giving the bottom line guys more ice time?

Now, I understand many of you disagree. Understand that Quinn may value and demand different things from his players than you would. If you think LaBanc should be in the lineup, tell us what he has done well than deserves a top six spot. If you think Bonino, Lorentz, or Sturm does not deserve to move up, say what they are doing wrong. And again, remember that Quinn may be looking for different things out of his players than you are.

We're 5% into the season. I am more interested in seeing how they play the last 20 games of this season than the first 20. That is the test of whether Grier and Quinn are changing the culture of the team.

I agree with you on the first part--I think that's something that fans should all keep in mind. It was always going to be tough to start the season well considering the circumstances.

That being said, I kind of think Quinn himself is forgetting or overlooking the situation. It's going to take time for guys to get accustomed to his system, and as they struggle with that, performances--especially in terms of more talented players clicking and working together and scoring--will likely follow suit.

So what he's doing is taking guys like Lindblom and Labanc, guys who we know aren't hard-nosed, gritty types of players, but I believe can still be valuable when surrounded by the right guys, and basically punishing them because A) they're not performing offensively yet in a new system (sometimes with bad linemates) and B) they're not playing a gritty game.

Therefore, by showing this lack of patience--and some bad line construction, in my opinion--Quinn is overlooking the bigger picture and exacerbating the problems himself. Labanc and Lindblom, in my opinion, should be given at least ten games in the top six to see if they can start to gel with the guys once they start to develop chemistry within the system. Instead, what Quinn is doing is making it harder for the team to succeed and basically immediately punishing players when he--his system and his lines--have been part of the reason they've struggled.

 

[Hodge]

Allow me to give a different interpretation to what is going on with the Sharks.

First, the team has gone through a lot of turnover. One-third of the roster (7 out of 23, 8 out of 24 if you include Nutivaara) is new to the organization as is the coach. They had an abbreviated and disrupted training camp because of the trip to Europe. It is no surprise that they are playing poorly under those circumstances.

Second, the lineup choices are about accountability. When Quinn was hired as coach, he was described as one, a teacher, and two, all about accountability. Holding players accountable means those who play well, in the eyes of the coach, get more ice time and responsibility; those who don't get moved down or sat. Right now, the Sharks are getting secondary scoring but little from the top six. Is is a surprise that Quinn is giving the bottom line guys more ice time?

Now, I understand many of you disagree. Understand that Quinn may value and demand different things from his players than you would. If you think LaBanc should be in the lineup, tell us what he has done well than deserves a top six spot. If you think Bonino, Lorentz, or Sturm does not deserve to move up, say what they are doing wrong. And again, remember that Quinn may be looking for different things out of his players than you are.

We're 5% into the season. I am more interested in seeing how they play the last 20 games of this season than the first 20. That is the test of whether Grier and Quinn are changing the culture of the team.

I agree with most of this but Labanc and Lindblom deserve more than five games of rope before being scratched/demoted. Sturm and Lorentz have played great but unless I’m missing something Bonino hasn’t done anything to deserve a promotion so far. He looks cooked.

At the end of the day though, the roster is extremely weak and lineup decisions won’t move the needle much either way. Hopefully Quinn can keep the locker room from turning toxic as the losses mount up.

 

[TheBeard]

I agree with most of this but Labanc and Lindblom deserve more than five games of rope before being scratched/demoted. Sturm and Lorentz have played great but unless I’m missing something Bonino hasn’t done anything to deserve a promotion so far. He looks cooked.

At the end of the day though, the roster is extremely weak and lineup decisions won’t move the needle much either way. Hopefully Quinn can keep the locker room from turning toxic as the losses mount up.

I think Bonino looks old but he's not playing lazy. I think that's what's working against Labanc.

 

[one2gamble]

I think for many here culture = winning.

Maybe, but the reality is the team is not really playing "harder" than they were last year which is what these guys were all brought in for. I do think they will get there but right now, a lot of these guys are just coasting through their shifts.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I agree with most of this but Labanc and Lindblom deserve more than five games of rope before being scratched/demoted. Sturm and Lorentz have played great but unless I’m missing something Bonino hasn’t done anything to deserve a promotion so far. He looks cooked.

At the end of the day though, the roster is extremely weak and lineup decisions won’t move the needle much either way. Hopefully Quinn can keep the locker room from turning toxic as the losses mount up.

I don't see why they deserve more than that. Lindblom got bought out from Philly and Labanc hasn't been able to keep himself from getting scratched. Both are guys that have thus far not contributed anything and are seemingly only able to generate offense or not do anything at all. Bonino at least contributes on the PK. That's what has always kept him and Nieto in the lineup.

 

[TheBeard]

Maybe, but the reality is the team is not really playing "harder" than they were last year which is what these guys were all brought in for. I do think they will get there but right now, a lot of these guys are just coasting through their shifts.

I think the newer guys for the most part are. The biggest difference is you're not seeing EK or Timo or Labanc trying to raise their games. I think last season took a lot out of their competitive spirit and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if Timo already made it known to Mike that he would prefer not coming back even with RFA status. EK I just don't think cares either way because he's getting paid.

 

[timorous me]

I don't see why they deserve more than that. Lindblom got bought out from Philly and Labanc hasn't been able to keep himself from getting scratched. Both are guys that have thus far not contributed anything and are seemingly only able to generate offense or not do anything at all. Bonino at least contributes on the PK. That's what has always kept him and Nieto in the lineup.

Obviously it would be nice to see guys like Labanc and Lindblom play harder and with more intensity, but I don't think it's fair to judge everyone by the same "hustle metric," so to speak.

When you have guys who are more skill-based, yes, you can criticize them then for not actually doing what they're good at (contributing goals and offense), but when you're dealing with a short training camp, a new system that they're still getting accustomed to (even the better skill guys, like Hertl and Meier), and some wonky lines, that's where all this line-shuffling and scratching and scapegoating starts to feel kind of messed up when it happens so soon.