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Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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SJSharks72 said:
Definitely. Timo, Bonino, Gregor, Nieto, Viel, Gadjovich, Svechnikov, Nutivaara, Harrington, Reimer are all out of contract at the end of the year. I’d like to keep Gregor but I’d move the rest. I’d also try to move Barabanov at the deadline because we’ve seen what guys with a little bit of term on a cheap (ish) contract get although I don’t know what the market would be. If we move every one of those guys (except Gregor I like him) the team becomes miles more interesting.

Kunin-Hertl-Eklund
Lindblom-Couture-Labanc
Lorentz-Bordeleau-Gregor
Raska-Sturm-Reedy

Simek-EK
Ferraro-Benning
Vlasic-Merkley

Kahkonen
Mann/Dell/Makaniemi
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Definitely like this idea. Gives Eklund and Bordeleau most of the season (until the trade deadline) to develop in the AHL. Then you hopefully get a good return on Meier, Reimer, and Barabanov (hopefully keeps up good value playing with Meier and Hertl). Maybe even Labanc rebuilds value in a top-6 role to where he has value at the TDL with 1 year left on his deal, same goes for Kunin and Lindblom. Maybe someone will give us a better than expected pick for a crusty vet like Bonino too. Then you close out the season with a much younger/fun roster with hopefully a well-established culture that still blows chunks and get a top-5 pick. That sounds like a productive season to me.
 
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weastern bias said:


I am loling


Makar is unbelievably good in his own zone, I don't know what you're seeing
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I wouldn't necessarily say Makar is a defensive stalwart. He just kills plays fast and gets the play moving the other way immediately. He's basically applying the best defense is a good offense mentality to the defensive zone
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
This tends to happen when you don't have the puck very much. That's where the Pens were just better than the Sharks. Sharks D was fine except for the part about getting the puck and getting out of the zone. When Burns is your only competent puck mover on the blue line against the best of the best, you tend to run into such issues. Braun wasn't competent at moving the puck against top guys and Vlasic was almost always deferring to him to get out of the zone. And clearly nobody was going to do it between Dillon and Polak.
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That was the period in Dillion's career where he could only confidently move the puck along the boards in his dzone. If he tried to pass over the ice for someone to move the puck out, he frequently got burned. That was also the time where Vlasic started to appear over-rated to me. It was also the period of peak Martin Jones. Hell of a playoff run for him. After that, he would be a shadow of that former self with excellent games scattered here and there.

Polak didn't look much like an NHL regular, certainly not one on a SC contending team. I think he had a small uptick in his play in TOR after that, then DAL and gone. He was basically a wallflower in teal on that SCF series with the Pens. Did nothing. Worthless trade for Polak other than getting rid of Torres. TOR drafted Sean Durzi with one of Sharks picks in the trade. Sean went on to set LAK's defensive rookie points record last season. The previous holder of that record was Drew Doughty.

Paul Martin was another guy that dissappeared in that SCF series like Polak. No Gs, no As, no PTs, and a minus in the +/- column just like Polak. Both were exposed for being too slow.

Pens outshot the Sharks in all games but one (and not by tiny margins either). Sharks defenders were too slow to get into position to block or shutdown shooting lanes.

Sharks had one more hurrah three seasons later losing to STL in the conference finals. That would be it for those core group of veterans. Minus Marleau who I think was playing for TOR that season after going UFA. TOR exited meekly in the 1st round to BOS. I felt they had a better team on paper than the Sharks that year.

Anyway, that's how I remember that SCF series.
 
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stator said:
I think it's ridiculous to think that offense oriented defense can win cups. Sure, there's probably outliers just like in every thing else, but the lack of a defense cost the Sharks the SCF series against the Pens. Sharks defense could not handle opponents offense. DW was never very good at building defenses.
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Nobody has said that a team can win a Cup with 6 offensive D-men. Usually a team has one really great point producer, another decent 3rd pair puck mover, and the other four are more defensive minded. Think Tampa - Hedman and Sergachev were their two puck movers and McDonagh, Rutta, Savard, and Cernak were the big bruisers.
 
hohosaregood said:
I wouldn't necessarily say Makar is a defensive stalwart. He just kills plays fast and gets the play moving the other way immediately. He's basically applying the best defense is a good offense mentality to the defensive zone
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Basically the way Karlsson played in Ottawa. The second the puck is on their stick they're making a play towards the offensive zone. It's why EK was such a puck possession monster.

I'll just say this: if prime Karlsson made some of the bad plays that Makar made in the playoffs, there would be a 50-page discussion on the main boards about why Erik was overrated and that he shouldn't win/have won the Norris trophy because it's not an award for points. Back then there was a whole lot of that kind of thing any time he did the smallest thing wrong - despite the fact that he made great plays every game that went ignored.
 
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hotcabbagesoup said:
Hmm maybe I'm misremembering. Now that I think about it, why would we even need a guy like Koekkoek (another bottom pairing Dman) lol
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I liked Koekkoek as a bottom pair option a few seasons ago. Think it was prior to Ferraro, Middleton, Knyzhov making any sort of impact in the NHL. Also in the middle of Simek’s injuries. Wanted him to play RD on the bottom pair with Vlasic I think it was. I’m not sure I don’t fully remember but I remember being open to taking a chance on him seasons ago. Although that ship has long since sailed with our over abundance of flawed bottom pairing D.
 
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I think a lot of people are under rating the sharks. yes they are a disapointment and there is not a logical path to a cup, but having 12+ legit NHL forwards playing every night I think will be more valuable then people think. We have depth and also a legit top line with Hertl and Meier. I think similar to how vegas overachieved their first year with depth I think the sharks will overachieve this year and will sneak into the playoffs. Unfortunately they will get beat quickly in the first round, but they will be competitive in the regular season.
 
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gaucholoco3 said:
I think a lot of people are under rating the sharks. yes they are a disapointment and there is not a logical path to a cup, but having 12+ legit NHL forwards playing every night I think will be more valuable then people think. We have depth and also a legit top line with Hertl and Meier. I think similar to how vegas overachieved their first year with depth I think the sharks will overachieve this year and will sneak into the playoffs. Unfortunately they will get beat quickly in the first round, but they will be competitive in the regular season.
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Improving the forward depth is more than offset by losing Burns and the strong likelihood of regression from Reimer and Meier after career seasons. Realistically the Sharks should finish around where they did last season.
 
gaucholoco3 said:
I think a lot of people are under rating the sharks. yes they are a disapointment and there is not a logical path to a cup, but having 12+ legit NHL forwards playing every night I think will be more valuable then people think. We have depth and also a legit top line with Hertl and Meier. I think similar to how vegas overachieved their first year with depth I think the sharks will overachieve this year and will sneak into the playoffs. Unfortunately they will get beat quickly in the first round, but they will be competitive in the regular season.
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They might have legit NHLer but 9 of the forwards should be on the fourth line or sheltered third lines and 4 of the D should be on the bottom pair.
 
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