Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Levie]

Kelly McCrimmon's moves were seen as unreasonable at the time, now he has a Cup to call his own.

Vegas was a playoff team with no picks or prospects. The Sharks are a bottom dwelling team. If you put every player Vegas acquired this offseason on the Sharks the Sharks still are not making the playoffs.

 

[Sendhelplease]

Timo's getting an 8x8.5M

if that's all it would've taken, then Mike Grier's tenure is looking to be a real short one.

I think it is a mistake to assume that Timo would agree to a long term extension with the Sharks for the same price as he signed with the Devils. Considering where the two teams are in the short and long term I would think a professional hockey player would prefer playing for a team that looks like it will be a contender for the next five years rather than a team that is going to be rebuilding for the next 3+ years. Maybe the Sharks could have signed Timo to an extension but I would think they'd have to pay more than what the Devils are paying.

 

[Cookersjs]

Kelly McCrimmon's moves were seen as unreasonable at the time, now he has a Cup to call his own.

I get the competitiveness sentiment obviously but your take seems so zero-sum - either compete for the cup or nothing else. Isn’t that what DW was going for, even while the wheels were falling off and he was still trying to be competitive?

Grier has already said things like ‘taking a step back before you can move forward’ and ‘doing this the right way without shortcuts’ - he is clearly taking a more long-term approach to building the next competitive Sharks team, and I’m not even reading between the lines here.

It seems weird to me that he has stated his plan, is clearly executing this plan, the plan isn’t a wild idea (draft and develop, run out bad contracts, rebuild team identity into a playoff performer) and yet your applying your very black and white ‘compete for the cup every season’ view that doesn’t at all match his stated approach (or the realities of the situation considering you are comparing the Sharks current predicament to the Vegas expansion draft) and then saying he’s doing a bad job.

It’s like continuing to put all your money into stocks during a recession with the reasoning being ‘gotta make that money’ and losing it all because you aren’t adapting to the realities of the situation.

Not a mean-spirited chirp, honestly, just I don’t understand these really rigid views that don’t properly take into account the details and realities of the circumstance and then talk down about the work someone is trying to do. It feels unfair and out of touch

 

[Pinkfloyd]

4 years is 4 years too long. If a GM isn't gunning for a Cup every single year, then he isn't fit for the job.

That's a pretty silly, shortsighted, and arbitrary mantra to have for a GM in the cap era. You can't just buy your way out of things.

 

[LadyStanley]

Chicago may want him to mentor Bedard.

 

[timorous me]

I think it is a mistake to assume that Timo would agree to a long term extension with the Sharks for the same price as he signed with the Devils. Considering where the two teams are in the short and long term I would think a professional hockey player would prefer playing for a team that looks like it will be a contender for the next five years rather than a team that is going to be rebuilding for the next 3+ years. Maybe the Sharks could have signed Timo to an extension but I would think they'd have to pay more than what the Devils are paying.

Not to mention, he doesn't even have to get out of his car to pump his own gas in New Jersey. That's got to be worth at least $250k per year toward his deal.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Chicago may want him to mentor Bedard.

He should retire in shame.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

Really want to see Karlsson end up in Seattle. No reason for him not to waive there, can be paired with Megna again on the cheap as a Soucy replacement, has plenty of shooter forwards who are skilled enough to play with him, would be by far the best player on the team making him the guy, and the cap can easily work. I still don't see a better fit.

 

[NWSharkie]

Really want to see Karlsson end up in Seattle. No reason for him not to waive there, can be paired with Megna again on the cheap as a Soucy replacement, has plenty of shooter forwards who are skilled enough to play with him, would be by far the best player on the team making him the guy, and the cap can easily work. I still don't see a better fit.

The biggest risk for Seattle, though, is that they're built on everybody buying into the system. Karlsson (or any player similarly talented) breaks systems. It could work spectacularly and give them a huge boost from the back line, but it could also blow up the thing that's made them successful. It would really come down to how much Dave Hakstol thinks he could make it work.

 

[landshark]

The biggest risk for Seattle, though, is that they're built on everybody buying into the system. Karlsson (or any player similarly talented) breaks systems. It could work spectacularly and give them a huge boost from the back line, but it could also blow up the thing that's made them successful. It would really come down to how much Dave Hakstol thinks he could make it work.

Sounds like win/win then. Sharks ship Karl for a bit of a haul. New expansion team Seattle gets most recent Norris winner to bolster their run from this year which actually works against them just enough to still let them get in the playoffs but not win it all, keeping them from being another expansion team to come into the league after the Sharks and win a cup for at least the duration of Karl's contract. It's pretty much ideal.

 

[Le Rosbeef]

Really want to see Karlsson end up in Seattle. No reason for him not to waive there, can be paired with Megna again on the cheap as a Soucy replacement, has plenty of shooter forwards who are skilled enough to play with him, would be by far the best player on the team making him the guy, and the cap can easily work. I still don't see a better fit.

Me too, especially if we could pry Shane Wright as the core of a return.

Sadly, I just can't see Erik waiving for Seattle, can you?

 

[mogambomoroo]

There was rumours about Karlsson to PIT, let's hope they go full delusional. We can get a haul because they want to compete for Crosby/Malkin/Letang.

 

[Grinner]

I suggested what amounts to a 3 way between SJ, Carolina and Buffalo
Carolina sends Pesce To the Sabres in exchange for the 13th pick and Krebs.
Carolina then sends the 13th pick,Krebs and Marrow for Karlsson at 30% retained and Sturm

 

[mogambomoroo]

I suggested what amounts to a 3 way between SJ, Carolina and Buffalo
Carolina sends Pesce To the Sabres in exchange for the 13th pick and Krebs.
Carolina then sends the 13th pick,Krebs and Marrow for Karlsson at 30% retained and Sturm

Good trade proposal, sucks to lose Sturm though. Buf needs a solid RD in Pesce, that help Dahlin/Power do their thing as LD.
But I don't know if Carolina buys into getting Karlsson and Burns on the same team again, it could work but history shows otherwise.

 

[Grinner]

Good trade proposal, sucks to lose Sturm though. Buf needs a solid RD in Pesce, that help Dahlin/Power do their thing as LD.
But I don't know if Carolina buys into getting Karlsson and Burns on the same team again, it could work but history shows otherwise.

So far I've had mixed results over at the Canes board. Always a hard sell here on Hubbard's when trying to trade an older vet

 

[Grinner]

Auto correct as led me astray.
Hf boards

 

[Eklund72]

4 years is 4 years too long. If a GM isn't gunning for a Cup every single year, then he isn't fit for the job.

Yep. Just like we’ve been doing for 20 years. How many cups has that gotten us?

 

[TheBeard]

Would anyone do pick 100 for Vladar? Dude isn’t even 26 yet.

 

[Bizz]

Yep. Just like we’ve been doing for 20 years. How many cups has that gotten us?

a hell of a lot closer than the ones who didn't.

 

[themelkman]

Would anyone do pick 100 for Vladar? Dude isn’t even 26 yet.

Nah, he wont be around when we need a decent goalie. Id rather look for a free goalie because there is always 6-7 terrible goalies from last year who play good this year

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

Me too, especially if we could pry Shane Wright as the core of a return.

Sadly, I just can't see Erik waiving for Seattle, can you?

I can't find a single reason why he wouldn't. They'd be able to add multiple key pieces around him this offseason too. I would avoid Wright though, I think he's a bust.

That Durzi trade would've been nice if Grier hadn't made a few misses already (not Thrun). Really hope the Karlsson trade gets done before this draft, because if it doesn't that's just a knock on Grier.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Wish DW had done trades like Sakic is doing for Johansen...

 

[Pavelski2112]

Wish DW had done trades like Sakic is doing for Johansen...

DW did plenty of trades for past-their-prime often-injured players

 

[TheBeard]

Wish DW had done trades like Sakic is doing for Johansen...

What would RJ have brought to them team we can’t probably get from Bordeleau?

 

[Hodge]

What would RJ have brought to them team we can’t probably get from Bordeleau?

I think the Bordeleau ship has sailed. We definitely don't need RyJo though.