Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[TheBeard]

I wonder how much the lackluster FA market bolsters EK’s trade value. I don’t see a ton of high-level d-men available either via FA or trade, especially now with Chychurn off the market.

EK to the Leafs at 30% ret
Murray Knies and 28th.
Ot leaves the Leafs the ability to bring in another team's to help with retention

EK to the Leafs at 30% ret
Murray Knies and 28th.
Ot leaves the Leafs the ability to bring in another team's to help with retention

Knies and 28 aren’t worth retention, eK AND a returning salary.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Yeah, I thought that it was reported that Grier never made him a serious offer?

straight from the horses mouth, Timo did say he was never offered an extension from Grier.

but do you really trust the word of the guy unwilling to sign with his new team full of beloved countrymen?

do you trust this face?

 

[Grinner]

EK to the Leafs at 30% ret
Murray Knies and 28th.
Ot leaves the Leafs the ability to bring in

I wonder how much the lackluster FA market bolsters EK’s trade value. I don’t see a ton of high-level d-men available either via FA or trade, especially now with Chychurn off the market.


Knies and 28 aren’t worth retention, eK AND a returning salary.

It's about making a deal not getting over on hf

 

[timorous me]

Yeah, I thought that it was reported that Grier never made him a serious offer?

My guess is there was never an actual offer but there were discussions and numbers/years bandied about.

 

[TheBeard]

straight from the horses mouth, Timo did say he was never offered an extension from Grier.

but do you really trust the word of the guy unwilling to sign with his new team full of beloved countrymen?

do you trust this face?

He’s got the hockey eyebrows of Anthony Davis

 

[Lebanezer]

Karlsson to Pittsburgh for Petry and 14th overall. No retention.

 

[Internazionale]

If EK wants a trade just do EK (50%) for 9th overall with Detroit straight up.

Read a trade rumor to Detroit a few days ago for #17, 2023 2nd, and LD Albert Johansson.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Karlsson to Pittsburgh for Petry and 14th overall. No retention.

OK

Read a trade rumor to Detroit a few days ago for #17, 2023 2nd, and LD Albert Johansson.

OK

 

[Jargon]

I’d be thrilled to have a 14-17 pick. We all sort of figured Karlsson was gonna be gone - I just hope we can make a marginally good trade.

Our defense is going to just be terrifyingly bad next year.

 

[Sharksfan66]

Read a trade rumor to Detroit a few days ago for #17, 2023 2nd, and LD Albert Johansson.

I imagine that's Detroit's opening offer. I would counter with asking for #9 + 2024 2nd. Who knows where it ends up, but whatever he does, I really hope Grier doesn't approach this like he did the Burns deal last year (looking to do the player a solid by moving him no matter how bad the return). Play big MG!

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

I wonder how much the lackluster FA market bolsters EK’s trade value. I don’t see a ton of high-level d-men available either via FA or trade, especially now with Chychurn off the market.


Knies and 28 aren’t worth retention, eK AND a returning salary.

That's about the only thing I think that makes this different from the Burns situation. Sure, Karlsson is the better player, but this is basically both sides requesting a trade, so teams know they want to get a deal done and won't need to make an extreme offer. Hilariously, I think Knies and 28 would be an insane overpay for Karlsson. I would be shocked if they got a player/prospect like Knies on top of a 1st for Karlsson. I think it will be extremely similar to the Burns deal.

 

[TheBeard]

That's about the only thing I think that makes this different from the Burns situation. Sure, Karlsson is the better player, but this is basically both sides requesting a trade, so teams know they want to get a deal done and won't need to make an extreme offer. Hilariously, I think Knies and 28 would be an insane overpay for Karlsson. I would be shocked if they got a player/prospect like Knies on top of a 1st for Karlsson. I think it will be extremely similar to the Burns deal.

I don’t. Burns was 37 when he was traded and progressively getting worse for years. EK is coming off his best season ever.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

I don’t. Burns was 37 when he was traded and progressively getting worse for years. EK is coming off his best season ever.

Karlsson is also making far more than burns, longer, with a serious injury history, and has never come close to the season he had this year. This was Karlsson's UFA contract year so to speak, because he wants out. He will never come close to the stats he had again, and teams know that. If they got offered Knies and 28, which they never would also because no way Karlsson waives for Toronto, I would absolutely take that and laugh.

 

[H I S T O R I C]

He’s got the hockey eyebrows of Anthony Davis

Yes, but does he have the ghoulish teeth to match?

 

[TheBeard]

Yes, but does he have the ghoulish teeth to match?

Holy f***. Is that real??

Karlsson is also making far more than burns, longer, with a serious injury history, and has never come close to the season he had this year. This was Karlsson's UFA contract year so to speak, because he wants out. He will never come close to the stats he had again, and teams know that. If they got offered Knies and 28, which they never would also because no way Karlsson waives for Toronto, I would absolutely take that and laugh.

I see absolutely no reason to assume EK can’t be at least a PPG player on virtually any team with an increased focus on defense.

 

[Alaskanice]

Karlsson is also making far more than burns, longer, with a serious injury history, and has never come close to the season he had this year. This was Karlsson's UFA contract year so to speak, because he wants out. He will never come close to the stats he had again, and teams know that. If they got offered Knies and 28, which they never would also because no way Karlsson waives for Toronto, I would absolutely take that and laugh.

I’m curious how you know he’ll not repeat this? I have the feeling that before this past season, you had no idea he’d do what a defenseman hadn’t done in 30 years.

 

[Jargon]

Just because the parties agree to a trade doesn’t mean Grier is going to trade Karlsson for pennies. Every rumor from the trade deadline suggested that Grier explicitly didn’t want to make a Burns-like trade with Karlsson. Considering the rumored asking price then, I imagine not a ton has changed. We’re not losing a superstar, Norris-winner that just had a 100 point season for nothing. Especially if we’re retaining, which we are. Karlsson at 8-9 million is an insanely good deal.

 

[Friday]

If you think EK would accept a trade to Detroit

 

[Cas]

I’m curious how you know he’ll not repeat this? I have the feeling that before this past season, you had no idea he’d do what a defenseman hadn’t done in 30 years.

Because there's a reason no defenseman had done it in 30 years - its ludicrously difficult.

On top of that, we've lost Meier and the rest of the team's core is only getting older (including Karlsson). The odds are Karlsson misses 25 or so games this year and is less effective overall, while also having less offensive support.

Betting on a 33-year-old defenseman with a long history of injury problems and an even weaker team repeating the most outstanding offensive performance by a defenseman in more than a generation is a fool's bet. Sure, it could happen, but you cannot expect it.

 

[Alaskanice]

Because there's a reason no defenseman had done it in 30 years - its ludicrously difficult.

On top of that, we've lost Meier and the rest of the team's core is only getting older (including Karlsson). The odds are Karlsson misses 25 or so games this year and is less effective overall, while also having less offensive support.

Betting on a 33-year-old defenseman with a long history of injury problems and an even weaker team repeating the most outstanding offensive performance by a defenseman in more than a generation is a fool's bet. Sure, it could happen, but you cannot expect it.

I didn’t say that I expect it. At this point, we have no idea what the roster will be.
No one knows we’ll be weaker. One can assume. I won’t.

 

[timorous me]

I didn’t say that I expect it. At this point, we have no idea what the roster will be.
No one knows we’ll be weaker. One can assume. I won’t.

There may be improvements on what we have now, but I'm going to assume it'll be weaker than it was with Timo in the lineup last year. So that's a drawback.

But the fact that Karl was able to put together such a season, with good health and playing alongside guys like Megna (no offense, but not a top-pairing d-man), means that with some retention and/or guys on bad contracts coming back, a deal should be doable--if not massively appealing to some other teams. Showing that he could go through a whole season with such good health and production at 32?

I mean, I get the skepticism, but if you're a team like Florida with a window that likely is truly only really open for the next handful of years? If you can make it happen, it's definitely worth seriously considering.

 

[Hodge]

Let’s just get it over with. Karlsson 25% retained to Dallas for 24 1st, 25 2nd that becomes a 1st if Stars make SCF in next 2 years, Nils Lundkvist and Radek Faksa.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Betting on a 33-year-old defenseman with a long history of injury problems and an even weaker team repeating the most outstanding offensive performance by a defenseman in more than a generation is a fool's bet. Sure, it could happen, but you cannot expect it.

Is it worse than sitting in your hands and doing nothing?

 

[landshark]

Let’s just get it over with. Karlsson 25% retained to Dallas for 24 1st, 25 2nd that becomes a 1st if Stars make SCF in next 2 years, Nils Lundkvist and Radek Faksa.

It just doesn't satisfy my want for a 1st in this year's draft from a Karl trade. I need (nearly) instant draft pick gratification after pretty much an entire year of everyone going on and on about how awesome and deep this year's draft is. This draft is all I've rooted for all year. If we're shipping Karl I hope for something in this year's first round as part of the return, especially with retention.

 

[Internazionale]

Let’s just get it over with. Karlsson 25% retained to Dallas for 24 1st, 25 2nd that becomes a 1st if Stars make SCF in next 2 years, Nils Lundkvist and Radek Faksa.

I'm greedy. I want that 3rd first rounder this year.