Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[hohosaregood]

Hopefully a big summer for him after his first stint of playing against grown men for a full season and also first time facing real adversity on the ice. Been on dominant teams seemingly his entire career prior to this. Should go 1 of 2 ways after dealing with being on a bad team (bust it and get better or mail it in).

My big hope is he works on his skating and gets an extra burst of acceleration. If he's not going to get much stronger, he needs good escape acceleration if he wants to play clever.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

Borderleau was noticibly good in the 8 games he played. Couture gets paid $7M AAV to be invisible more than half the time, but go off.

Its' the Marleau effect. Both him and Couture could put up points, but they'd put up 15 in 14 games and then go 10 games completely useless, but most fans didn't pay attention to that. I think Hertl ends up here eventually too.

 

[one2gamble]

Bords made me think he won't make the nhl.......

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

One thing Bords did show me was that he could make creative little plays to get the puck out of the d-zone but he showed that he could do that last season too. He didn't show much else. He's also really light on his feet and needs to get stronger.

 

[Bizz]

And what has Hertl done to deserve his $8.137M AAV this season?

Hertl was ass too but at least he LOOKED like he was putting in effort and LOOKED like he gave a shit out there.

 

[Eklund72]

Hertl was ass too but at least he LOOKED like he was putting in effort and LOOKED like he gave a shit out there.

Coutures work ethic has always been light years better than Hertls. Hertl looks like he doesn’t hit cardio enough after every shift

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Coutures work ethic has always been light years better than Hertls. Hertl looks like he doesn’t hit cardio enough after every shift

He does look like that. But I think Hertl's had two kids recently and he probably doesn't get enough sleep these days.

 

[hohosaregood]

One thing Bords did show me was that he could make creative little plays to get the puck out of the d-zone but he showed that he could do that last season too. He didn't show much else. He's also really light on his feet and needs to get stronger.

The main thing I have issues with is that he typically doesn't engage with the puck carrier when he can and thats a big issue I had with him in the AHL too. I saw him do that in the last game of the season though, just need him to keep up that mindset going forward.

 

[Jargon]

These couple of weeks are the worst. Can’t even cheer for the Sharks to lose… just wait for Bedard, I guess.

 

[Blackbear]

Vlasic should change his number from 44 to +1

What a loser

Should Karlsson change his number to -103?

 

[Kcoyote3]

Bords made me think he won't make the nhl.......

He's just very clearly not a good winger. It was the same way in the AHL when he got moved from center to wing. He doesn't retrieve well, he doesn't set up himself for opportunities on the wings, and all of his effectiveness (ability to transition, playmaking ability in the middle of the ice, faceoffs, etc.) are essentially gone. The problem is I think his defensive game hasn't come a long enough way to keep a job as a center in the NHL. It's a tough spot to be in. I'm hopeful that he'll get a center job next season and round out his game enough to make it, but I worry as well.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Should Karlsson change his number to -103?

Huh? What?

 

[BigFatCat999]

Just wandering from the Preds board, is there something wrong with Vlasic or just passed on depth chart?

 

[Pavelski2112]

Just wandering from the Preds board, is there something wrong with Vlasic or just passed on depth chart?

Vlasic hasn't been a top-4 defender since 2019

 

[BigFatCat999]

Vlasic hasn't been a top-4 defender since 2019

3rd pairing?

 

[Pavelski2112]

3rd pairing?

This year he's looked at least NHL-quality but he really checked out the past few years.

 

[BigFatCat999]

This year he's looked at least NHL-quality but he really checked out the past few years.

ok, thank you.

 

[Cas]

3rd pairing?

That's where he should be at best now - he provides zero offense or ability to move the puck, and his skating has degraded sufficiently that he's not much good in his own zone either.

He's a purely defense-focused player who has to be given favorable matchups and a partner who can move the puck and cover for Vlasic's weaknesses in the defensive zone. He basically needs a legitimate top-four RHD on a third pairing just to tread water, and that's with him actually improving a little this year compared to last year's. Going forward, I think he could become unplayable with just a tiny bit of further decline.

Worst contract in the NHL.

 

[BigFatCat999]

That's where he should be at best now - he provides zero offense or ability to move the puck, and his skating has degraded sufficiently that he's not much good in his own zone either.

He's a purely defense-focused player who has to be given favorable matchups and a partner who can move the puck and cover for Vlasic's weaknesses in the defensive zone. He basically needs a legitimate top-four RHD on a third pairing just to tread water, and that's with him actually improving a little this year compared to last year's. Going forward, I think he could become unplayable with just a tiny bit of further decline.

Worst contract in the NHL.

Just curious, I suspect Preds and Sharks might be linked in a deal. (Your RHD depth is....oy and the Preds have RHDs and cap to burn.)

 

[Pavelski2112]

Just curious, I suspect Preds and Sharks might be linked in a deal. (Your RHD depth is....oy and the Preds have RHDs and cap to burn.)

This deadline there was a lot of talk around Fabbro, I wonder if that's something they'll try to work on in the offseason

 

[BigFatCat999]

This deadline there was a lot of talk around Fabbro, I wonder if that's something they'll try to work on in the offseason

This is me, just spit balling. Fabbro and Procop, (First openly gay NHLer in the Bay area? You can print jerseys and tickets for days! You don't care but owner will. Since your AHL club is in the Bay Area too... Oh, BTW, BIG RHD who's ceiling I believe is Hal Gill) and taking Vlasic's contract. (Preds are speculated to be 18 mil under the cap next year). IF!!!! SJ is willing to part with #4.

 

[Cas]

Just curious, I suspect Preds and Sharks might be linked in a deal. (Your RHD depth is....oy and the Preds have RHDs and cap to burn.)

If the Predators did trade for Vlasic, I would drive to Nashville and kiss your GM's feet, and then take you out for a drink to commiserate for your loss.

I can't imagine we're trading our 1st, though. We can ride out the Vlasic contract (we're going to suck for at least the next two years, even if we get Bedard and he instantly turns into a McDavid-level player, and realistically probably longer), and I'd rather have a Michkov/Carlsson/Benson/Smith than Fabbro+Prokop+cap space we don't need.

 

[BigFatCat999]

If the Predators did trade for Vlasic, I would drive to Nashville and kiss your GM's feet, and then take you out for a drink to commiserate for your loss.

I can't imagine we're trading our 1st, though. We can ride out the Vlasic contract (we're going to suck for at least the next two years, even if we get Bedard and he instantly turns into a McDavid-level player, and realistically probably longer), and I'd rather have a Michkov/Carlsson/Benson/Smith than Fabbro+Prokop+cap space we don't need.

I'm talking POST lottery and say picking #4

 

[Lebanezer]

I'm talking POST lottery and say picking #4

Just to see if I’m following this correctly, you’re saying Vlasic and #4 for Procop and Fabbro?

 

[BigFatCat999]

Just to see if I’m following this correctly, you’re saying Vlasic and #4 for Procop and Fabbro?

are you warming up to kick ban me or kiss me? and yes.