Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[one2gamble]

Karlsson needs a D partner that basically does nothing but stay in position and hit. Vlasic is a bit too active for that.

But Vlasic shouldn't be active, which is the issue

 

[Pavelski2112]

But Vlasic shouldn't be active, which is the issue

Vlasic has always been more active than you would think from a defensive D, he's just not as good at it anymore.

 

[DG93]

But Vlasic shouldn't be active, which is the issue

Yeah but his ego is huge, so that'll never change. We just ride out the awful contract while rebuilding and call it a day lol

 

[timorous me]

I have to say, reading Quinn’s post-season interview - I really like the guy. I can’t tell if he’s a good coach exactly, but I think he’s actually a really good dude who is honest and open with his players. He has a real teacher quality to him and I know he has a reputation of being bad with young guys, but I really haven’t seen that here and I think he may actually be a pretty good guy to have for this particular Sharks team. Especially as we get even younger.

This is sort of my problem with Quinn. As someone who watches and follows a lot of Rangers games, I always struggled when he coached them because I liked him in interviews, the announcers clearly did too, and now with the Sharks it's the same--and I enjoyed watching his system, even as it brought about added failure this year, more than Boughner's.

But from everything I've seen, he just has trouble succeeding (relative to what he has to work with) with his ideas/approaches as a coach, at least at the NHL level. I don't know what it is. I'd love to see some good systems breakdowns this offseason from Sharks writers, but then it almost feels futile, because it's hard to imagine that Quinn will still be coaching this team the next time it's good.

I also sort of don't mind (for now) that he's coaching this group as it's struggling. The constant underperformance is good for draft positioning, and the style seems to be one that could be good for young guys to learn if they want to compete in the modern NHL game (and I don't feel like he buried the kids, not relative to other NHL coaches, at least).

 

[hohosaregood]

This is sort of my problem with Quinn. As someone who watches and follows a lot of Rangers games, I always struggled when he coached them because I liked him in interviews, the announcers clearly did too, and now with the Sharks it's the same--and I enjoyed watching his system, even as it brought about added failure this year, more than Boughner's.

But from everything I've seen, he just has trouble succeeding (relative to what he has to work with) with his ideas/approaches as a coach, at least at the NHL level. I don't know what it is. I'd love to see some good systems breakdowns this offseason from Sharks writers, but then it almost feels futile, because it's hard to imagine that Quinn will still be coaching this team the next time it's good.

I also sort of don't mind (for now) that he's coaching this group as it's struggling. The constant underperformance is good for draft positioning, and the style seems to be one that could be good for young guys to learn if they want to compete in the modern NHL game (and I don't feel like he buried the kids, not relative to other NHL coaches, at least).

Seems like the expectation when he was first hired in NY was to develop with a rebuilding team a la Bednar but they got lucky with Panarin and what not and he was forced into being a Cup contending coach almost immediately. That seemed to be the gist of the story when they talked to him about it last summer.

I was worried about the stories of how he supposedly f***ed with the NY kids development but he seems to have done a pretty good job with the prospects as they've gotten their cup of tea, and kinda got Labanc and Gregor on track again.

 

[karltonian]

Hard to judge quinn with the team makeup as it is and the sea change in philosophy

 

[NiWa]

[...] I'd love to see some good systems breakdowns this offseason from Sharks writers, [...)

This was posted earlier this month: The most interesting team you're not watching

 

[Barrie22]

Vlasic has always been more active than you would think from a defensive D, he's just not as good at it anymore.

When he was at his best he barely knew anything but the blueline or the defensive zone. It has only been the past few years where for some reason he drastically changed his style of play.

 

[gaucholoco3]

When he was at his best he barely knew anything but the blueline or the defensive zone. It has only been the past few years where for some reason he drastically changed his style of play.

Vlassic and EK both play better when they have a partner who will go into the corner and take the hit. Braun with Vlassic, Dillon/Middleton/Megna with EK.
That is the only thing I can think of why they don’t work because based on everything else they should work perfectly together.

 

[Gecklund]

Vlassic and EK both play better when they have a partner who will go into the corner and take the hit. Braun with Vlassic, Dillon/Middleton/Megna with EK.
That is the only thing I can think of why they don’t work because based on everything else they should work perfectly together.

Except they were tried together and Vlasic got butthurt and tried to become an offensive D and killed every play with stupid decisions.

 

[Friday]

This makes me think the plan is to ride out the bad contracts and well tank

 

[Juxtaposer]

If Karlsson is back next season, pairing him with anyone but Thrun would be negligent. Vlasic is just a crazy dude these days.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Hard to judge quinn with the team makeup as it is and the sea change in philosophy

The worst goaltending in the entire league statistically is also another.

 

[Hatrick Marleau]

This makes me think the plan is to ride out the bad contracts and well tank

I still don’t understand why they let Joe Will sign Hertl to an 8 year contract before hiring a GM when I see Grier say stuff like this. The Filip Chytil + a 1st trade that was being offered by Rangers fans last year would’ve looked pretty good right now.

 

[Juxtaposer]

This makes me think the plan is to ride out the bad contracts and well tank

Love to hear this.

I think that Grier knows we’re in for another couple of tough years. It looks like almost a certainty that Karl will be traded, but Couture, Vlasic, and Hertl will stick around. I think getting Eklund and Thrun into the lineup full time will be entertaining. Let Gushchin start in the AHL but promote him quickly if he earns it, same with Mukhamadullin.

I’m extremely curious what they’ll do about goaltending. I tend to agree with Masiak that we’re pretty lucky to be even this high in the draft; if not for literally the worst goaltending in the league by a good margin, we’d probably be drafting ~10th instead of where we are. The fact that we were able to out-tank the likes of Montreal, Philadelphia, and Arizona is somewhat impressive if I’m being honest; there’s no way we’re as bad as them other than goaltending.

If the plan is to tank another year, then I think you have to go for Kahkonen/backup. Fixing the goaltending would be the easiest way to improve this team significantly; if Grier doesn’t, then we know he’s dedicated to building the right way.

 

[Jargon]

I still don’t understand why they let Joe Will sign Hertl to an 8 year contract before hiring a GM when I see Grier say stuff like this. The Filip Chytil + a 1st trade that was being offered by Rangers fans last year would’ve looked pretty good right now.

I think they still thought DW would come back. But yeah, it’s unfortunate. Though, I think Hertl is tradeable and would accept a trade to a competitor. I just think Grier wants him to be part of the rebuild.

I enjoy Grier’s interviews. He is unflappable and unimpressed by everything and I sort of like it. I’m actually very curious what the off-season looks like - I really see it as his Year 1 summer.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I still don’t understand why they let Joe Will sign Hertl to an 8 year contract before hiring a GM when I see Grier say stuff like this. The Filip Chytil + a 1st trade that was being offered by Rangers fans last year would’ve looked pretty good right now.

I wonder if Hertl ends up a Boston Bruin in a couple years, once Krejci and Bergeron hang up the skates.

 

[Jargon]

Love to hear this.

I think that Grier knows we’re in for another couple of tough years. It looks like almost a certainty that Karl will be traded, but Couture, Vlasic, and Hertl will stick around. I think getting Eklund and Thrun into the lineup full time will be entertaining. Let Gushchin start in the AHL but promote him quickly if he earns it, same with Mukhamadullin.

I’m extremely curious what they’ll do about goaltending. I tend to agree with Masiak that we’re pretty lucky to be even this high in the draft; if not for literally the worst goaltending in the league by a good margin, we’d probably be drafting ~10th instead of where we are. The fact that we were able to out-tank the likes of Montreal, Philadelphia, and Arizona is somewhat impressive if I’m being honest; there’s no way we’re as bad as them other than goaltending.

If the plan is to tank another year, then I think you have to go for Kahkonen/backup. Fixing the goaltending would be the easiest way to improve this team significantly; if Grier doesn’t, then we know he’s dedicated to building the right way.

I think he’s likely going to try Tanko and Makiniemi, but we’ll see.

And yeah, I also like his other quote about the prospect pool being “okay” (he’s so unimpressed) and I imagine he’s going to be working hard this summer trying to bring in more prospects/young guys that are ready-ish.

I kind of love this lineup:

Eklund/Guschin - Hertl - Petersen
Guschin/Eklund - Couture - Barabanov
Gregor - Sturm - Bordeleau
Lindblom - Lorentz - Zetterlund

Thrun - Karlsson
Ferraro - Knyzhov
Vlasic - Benning

…and Muhk gets games or takes a spot if he’s good enough.

Don’t get me wrong, this is a bottom 5 team, but I think it’s kind of a fun, young team to watch.

 

[TheBeard]

I think he’s likely going to try Tanko and Makiniemi, but we’ll see.

And yeah, I also like his other quote about the prospect pool being “okay” (he’s so unimpressed) and I imagine he’s going to be working hard this summer trying to bring in more prospects/young guys that are ready-ish.

I kind of love this lineup:

Eklund/Guschin - Hertl - Petersen
Guschin/Eklund - Couture - Barabanov
Gregor - Sturm - Bordeleau
Lindblom - Lorentz - Zetterlund

Thrun - Karlsson
Ferraro - Knyzhov
Vlasic - Benning

…and Muhk gets games or takes a spot if he’s good enough.

Don’t get me wrong, this is a bottom 5 team, but I think it’s kind of a fun, young team to watch.

Honestly? Replace Lindblom with Raska and I’m sold.

 

[spintops]

I really hope teams want EK65 this offseason

 

[Levie]

I still don’t understand why they let Joe Will sign Hertl to an 8 year contract before hiring a GM when I see Grier say stuff like this. The Filip Chytil + a 1st trade that was being offered by Rangers fans last year would’ve looked pretty good right now.

Letting Joe Will anywhere near hockey decisions is negligent. Him and Becher should be excised from the organization.

 

[Barrie22]

Vlassic and EK both play better when they have a partner who will go into the corner and take the hit. Braun with Vlassic, Dillon/Middleton/Megna with EK.
That is the only thing I can think of why they don’t work because based on everything else they should work perfectly together.

The new nick name vlasic orr is here for a reason, vlasic got paid and tried to become a offensive defenseman which obviously did not work as he is one of the worst puck handling defenseman in the league.

 

[Jargon]

Honestly? Replace Lindblom with Raska and I’m sold.

I’ll call Quinn!

I do think we’re likely trading Karlsson this off-season, and I imagine that a young promising offensive d-man will be (has to be?) part of that package, so that defense will get much worse too.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I think he’s likely going to try Tanko and Makiniemi, but we’ll see.

And yeah, I also like his other quote about the prospect pool being “okay” (he’s so unimpressed) and I imagine he’s going to be working hard this summer trying to bring in more prospects/young guys that are ready-ish.

I kind of love this lineup:

Eklund/Guschin - Hertl - Petersen
Guschin/Eklund - Couture - Barabanov
Gregor - Sturm - Bordeleau
Lindblom - Lorentz - Zetterlund

Thrun - Karlsson
Ferraro - Knyzhov
Vlasic - Benning

…and Muhk gets games or takes a spot if he’s good enough.

Don’t get me wrong, this is a bottom 5 team, but I think it’s kind of a fun, young team to watch.

Full year of top 6 Petersen is going to be great, I would love to see how he fits.

Also,
I absolutely love what Grier addressed, he is such a breath of fresh air to this franchise with total honesty and no bullsh*t. He has already done a lot to move this franchise forward with the chips he has. I feel optimistic and I'm not the only one. Let's hope draft lottery goes our way.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Vlasic should change his number from 44 to +1

What a loser