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Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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Zetts shouldn't be playing on Hertl's line to begin with. Right now, he is a mid but closer to bottom 6 player. He should be eased into taking more responsibility. He was already on a downswing with the Devils and it has transferred here and it won't get any better for him facing top competition.

I suppose this a good test to see what he is made of but generally you don't want to immediately kill the confidence of one of the main pieces you just got for your star player.
 
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OrrNumber4 said:
Actually, where is the reporting that Zetterlund was Grier's target? To me, it seems like the first and Mukhamadullin were the central pieces.
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I haven't heard that. I just heard that he pursued volume over a top end piece. In that sense "targeting" zetterlund could be a jumbled rewording of "targeting many players like zetterlund over a single player like Holtz"
 
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OrrNumber4 said:
Actually, where is the reporting that Zetterlund was Grier's target? To me, it seems like the first and Mukhamadullin were the central pieces.
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You'll have to dig through that Meier thread on the main board because it's not a quick Google search but it does exist. The ask that was widely reported was a 1st, a prospect, and a NHL player which I can safely say he'd fall under.
 
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spintops said:
I hope zetterlund plays well enough to flip for a 1st next season or beyond. Don't really get all that excited about a good bottom 6 player, team is a long way away from needing those support pieces
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I don’t really have a desire to trade Zetterlund next season. He’s young enough to stick around and grow with this team. Guys that I want traded between the draft and next TDL would be Barabanov, Labanc, Gregor, Simek, Kahkonen, see if you can get any value for Lindblom, see if you can move on from one or both of Couture or Karlsson.

These are more deadlines moves for next year if things go right but if Bordeleau or Bystedt steal that 3C spot, move Sturm. If some of these guys like Kaut, Peterson, Gushchin, Robins, Shakir, Laroque, Okhotiuk steal spots then make room although only guys I could really see might be Kaut or Peterson in the bottom 6 or Okhotiuk in the bottom pair.

I’d also be trying to get Chmelevski back. He might not be willing to come back because he’d probably get more money staying in Russia but who knows. At least talk to him.
 
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OrrNumber4 said:
I can kind of see this argument...but also, Grier has specifically said that other things are also very important.


I'm leaning more and more that Burke gets stereotyped as this old-school scout, but I'm not that sure.

My feeling is...when you are like the Sharks were from 2006-2019 (for the most part), with your top players in place, and the window open, the opportunity cost of going for high-risk players at the draft is hard to swallow. Getting solid middle-of-the-lineup players who are cost-controlled for a couple of years has a lot of value (and I'll note that when Doug Wilson started his first refresh in 2012, Burke swung for Hertl, and when refresh #2 started in 2014, Burke went for Golodbin).

Things have changed; the Sharks don't have a window yet. It'd behoove the Sharks to swing for the fences again and again, looking for that top-end talent.
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Well thought out and well said.
 
TheBeard said:
Lol. 21 year old Zetterlund gets traded to a bottom feeder team with no chemistry with linemates and after two games he’s already being criticized??
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But. But. He was traded for Timo. He HAS to be amazing!!!
Sorry, I don’t do sarcasm well.
Give the kid a break. New city, new team, going from one of the best to one of the worst is quite a lot to deal with.

OrrNumber4 said:
Actually, where is the reporting that Zetterlund was Grier's target? To me, it seems like the first and Mukhamadullin were the central pieces.
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There was a report that Grier liked Zetterlund. I can’t remember where.
 
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Alaskanice said:
But. But. He was traded for Timo. He HAS to be amazing!!!
Sorry, I don’t do sarcasm well.
Give the kid a break. New city, new team, going from one of the best to one of the worst is quite a lot to deal with.


There was a report that Grier liked Zetterlund. I can’t remember where.
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His presser. He said as much that the scouts liked him and so did he.
 
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sharks_dynasty said:
His presser. He said as much that the scouts liked him and so did he.
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What's he going to say after involving him in a trade? Oh we do not like him but new jersey would not budge on anybody else so we had to involve him?

Some of y'all take words from a GM at face value way to much, and even if Grier does like him as a player, does not mean that he sees him as the central part of the trade
 
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Barrie22 said:
What's he going to say after involving him in a trade? Oh we do not like him but new jersey would not budge on anybody else so we had to involve him?

Some of y'all take words from a GM at face value way to much, and even if Grier does like him as a player, does not mean that he sees him as the central part of the trade
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No GM is just gonna take a young player because they had no choice.
 
spintops said:
I hope zetterlund plays well enough to flip for a 1st next season or beyond. Don't really get all that excited about a good bottom 6 player, team is a long way away from needing those support pieces
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I think he will probably be an arb case and get around 2.5 based on past guys with the same point totals. If Grier is smart he will give him a two or three year deal and then he can be a goodrow esc flip at the TDL to a team that needs that long term cap room

Barrie22 said:
What's he going to say after involving him in a trade? Oh we do not like him but new jersey would not budge on anybody else so we had to involve him?

Some of y'all take words from a GM at face value way to much, and even if Grier does like him as a player, does not mean that he sees him as the central part of the trade
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I do think Grier likes him, but hes clearly a PR master. I dont take anything he says at face value, even when its true because he really seems to know how the game works.
 
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Just fyi, from Grier:

We’ve addressed some of the size concerns in the organization, we’ve gotten a little bit bigger. So now, I think we have the ability to try and infuse a little bit more skill into the prospect pool and not be so focused on one thing or the other. A little infusion of skill, and like I said earlier, I think goalie is a priority for us. It’s probably a priority for a lot of teams, but we’ll keep building. There’s still lots of holes to fill. Lots of things on the shelves to keep trying to fill up.

I think the height issue he’s suggesting is actually from the prospects, not really from the main players on the team, many of whom I maintain are kind of fillers while he rebuilds the team.

So he’s at least aware that skill is required and he’s not just looking for meaty dudes to meat around and do meaty things.
 
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Jargon said:
Just fyi, from Grier:

We’ve addressed some of the size concerns in the organization, we’ve gotten a little bit bigger. So now, I think we have the ability to try and infuse a little bit more skill into the prospect pool and not be so focused on one thing or the other. A little infusion of skill, and like I said earlier, I think goalie is a priority for us. It’s probably a priority for a lot of teams, but we’ll keep building. There’s still lots of holes to fill. Lots of things on the shelves to keep trying to fill up.

I think the height issue he’s suggesting is actually from the prospects, not really from the main players on the team, many of whom I maintain are kind of fillers while he rebuilds the team.

So he’s at least aware that skill is required and he’s not just looking for meaty dudes to meat around and do meaty things.
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Like I said previously, he has a plan and he’s executing it methodically. People seem to think the path to success is linear. It’s not. It takes steps forward and backward. Some experiments will work and others won’t. Let’s be patient and allow the plan to unfold.
 
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Patty Ice said:
You'll have to dig through that Meier thread on the main board because it's not a quick Google search but it does exist. The ask that was widely reported was a 1st, a prospect, and a NHL player which I can safely say he'd fall under.
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Sure, but what other "NHL player" would have been better and yet realistic to get? No one knows for certain, but it seems like Mercer was off the table. Would you have wanted Bahl or Sharangovich instead?
 
OrrNumber4 said:
Sure, but what other "NHL player" would have been better and yet realistic to get? No one knows for certain, but it seems like Mercer was off the table. Would you have wanted Bahl or Sharangovich instead?
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I never implied as such. I was a fan of Zetterlund before those reports came out. I always thought he'd be a good addition to any trade.
 
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Sure, but what other "NHL player" would have been better and yet realistic to get? No one knows for certain, but it seems like Mercer was off the table. Would you have wanted Bahl or Sharangovich instead?
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I mean just because Zetterlund hasn’t been great the first 3 games doesn’t mean we suddenly don’t want him. Hertl hasn’t been as good this year. Doesn’t mean I like him any less. Like these things aren’t mutually exclusive.
 
Zetterlund is never going to be the guy but for real he's had no moment's at all. Of course he gets a pass in his first few games I dont want to be dramatic. But I can only think maybe one game moment he stood out was that reverse hit in his first game? Thats the only notable play I can think of for Zetterlund. Eklund played one game, made some mistakes but everyone saw his no look cross crease pass. Eklund wants the puck, Zetterlund seems to be hiding from it
 
Friday said:
Zetterlund is never going to be the guy but for real he's had no moment's at all. Of course he gets a pass in his first few games I dont want to be dramatic. But I can only think maybe one game moment he stood out was that reverse hit in his first game? Thats the only notable play I can think of for Zetterlund. Eklund played one game, made some mistakes but everyone saw his no look cross crease pass. Eklund wants the puck, Zetterlund seems to be hiding from it
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Not that I want to knock Eklund at all, but that no look cross crease pass also was super fortunate to make it through like three pairs of skates. It’s a good idea, but also a bit of a prayer pass that happened to work out.
 
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