PacificOceanPotion
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I vented without thinking. I tend to do that quite a bit Around here..Then I call others out for doing the same thing. It’s called being a hypocrite STL…Jeeze.
Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II
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Karl Prime
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With the roster players Edmonton would have to give up you understand Holland not wanting to pull the trigger on a deal. But Draisaitl is getting a big raise in 2025 so that's 3 chances for a Cup before it gets harder. And then McDavid is getting a big raise in 2026 and Edmonton may have to fill out their roster with a lot of sub 2 mil players like Toronto, though the cap will be rising so it should be simpler than what Toronto has had to do. Still, could be two 15 million dollar players.
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That sounds like a very frustrated thing to say LOL, esp. in the context of being sad that the organization is trading away players like Meier.He said he's having fun and in the end, that's all that really matters.
If EK is not on the roster then the best thing for the Sharks is to maximize the future assets which would be done by retaining as much as possible. They will not need the cap space since they will be rebuilding.
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How much would someone be willing to give for the retention? If we go by the rule of 1 year of Patrick Marleau at $6.25M of cap hit cost Toronto a 1st round pick, 4 years of Karlsson at $5.75M is worth at least 3 1st round picks just to pay for salary retention.
From there, you start to build the cost of what is a $5.75M Erik Karlsson worth as a player? Currently, he'd command probably 2-3 more 1st round level assets as a player at that cap hit. So is there a team out there that is going to give up 5+ 1st round level assets for Erik Karlsson? Doubt it. Is the Sharks ownership going to spend close to $23M over 4 years for Erik Karlsson to help someone else's team win a Stanley Cup? Tough sell job there. Hence why a deal like this has never happened and likely will never happen.
Teams are better off sending back money and accepting lesser retention and figuring it out as they go along rather than trying to get an unprecedented (not even a strong enough word to be honest) deal done for 50% retention at that level for 4 years.
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We don't want Hertl to do well, do we? If he started playing like he's capable of he could help win the team an extra two or three games. However Johnsson should be motivated after being in the AHL all season to get a chance again.
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I mean no, but also Sad Hertl (Sadtl) breaks my heart. Also, I kinda want to see if Johnsson can regain his form. I’m confused how he fell from 20 goals in a year to AHL.
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I'm not sure if it was even about form to begin with. He had 35 points in 71 games last season which isn't bad for a 3.4 mil player. He would have had to be pretty awful to be out for performance reasons. I'm guessing it was to make room for Palat and then they had a lot of younger better guys pushing him out. Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Mercer, Tatar, Sharangovich, McLeod, Zetterlund, Wood, Palat, Boqvist, Bastian. 1 through 12 there aren't many teams better than that, and now they've replaced Zetterlund with Timo.
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I think EK was saying it'd be weird with 3 days left to go before the trade deadline to ask him to waive. It probably wouldnt be enough time for EK to do his due diligence before accepting a trade. I get the sense there's not a lot of communication that is happening between the GM and his players.
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I just want Hertl to enjoy his time with Theo this season. He can come back next season refreshed
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Could've let him at least enjoy his time on the ice with his Czech buddy, but nooooo, they already had to send Kaut back to the Barracuda. I was enjoying what he brought in his first couple games. Feels like a restoration of confidence could be what it takes for him to start to reach some of his former potential.
I would say no but I would understand doing so. I think the blue line is still in shambles and the goaltending won’t hold up.
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Sharks sitting at 48 active contracts. (One junior slideable out there.)
Gives GMMG some flexibility to sign college graduates (and/or own draftees) to ELS contract and burn first season in late March/April.
Gives GMMG some flexibility to sign college graduates (and/or own draftees) to ELS contract and burn first season in late March/April.
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The Karlsson thing is bugging me. There's too much political chess going on.
Sure, the easiest thing is to be polite, posture and deflect and get on with life until the Summer. But so much could happen between then and now.
I just cannot clear from my head how vital it is to trade him this week - if nothing else, simply from a risk management perspective. There is very little to potentially gain by waiting (how could his value be much, if any, higher than it is now?) but a substantial number of scenarios where it could be lower, or even perceived as negative. One injury and bang, all gone.
I get it's complex but that's what you get paid (I suspect rather handsomely) to do. I get you can't have all your 'ducks in a row' but you need to spend the rest of this week making it work. Don't wait on KH, get after it! If it means you have to retain a bit more, then do it. Take back JP and Barrie, retain 25% (~$3m) and that's near a wash on the cap. Get a 3rd party to retain another $1m for whatever that costs and then drain EDM's pick pool for the next 3 years.
Karlsson at 7.5m for Edmonton is more than fair and critically, that return then helps bolster what the Sharks could be. Even a 1st this year and next would potentially give us 6 in total - that could revolutionise this franchise's future.
No time to be reactive - go and get it done!
Sure, the easiest thing is to be polite, posture and deflect and get on with life until the Summer. But so much could happen between then and now.
I just cannot clear from my head how vital it is to trade him this week - if nothing else, simply from a risk management perspective. There is very little to potentially gain by waiting (how could his value be much, if any, higher than it is now?) but a substantial number of scenarios where it could be lower, or even perceived as negative. One injury and bang, all gone.
I get it's complex but that's what you get paid (I suspect rather handsomely) to do. I get you can't have all your 'ducks in a row' but you need to spend the rest of this week making it work. Don't wait on KH, get after it! If it means you have to retain a bit more, then do it. Take back JP and Barrie, retain 25% (~$3m) and that's near a wash on the cap. Get a 3rd party to retain another $1m for whatever that costs and then drain EDM's pick pool for the next 3 years.
Karlsson at 7.5m for Edmonton is more than fair and critically, that return then helps bolster what the Sharks could be. Even a 1st this year and next would potentially give us 6 in total - that could revolutionise this franchise's future.
No time to be reactive - go and get it done!
With the rebuild well under way, I'd trade Barabonov
Makes perfect sense for the Oil too. They should remain good for a few while so it'll be a bunch of low 1st round picks anyways.
Makes perfect sense for the Oil too. They should remain good for a few while so it'll be a bunch of low 1st round picks anyways.
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Grier said something along the lines of basically he was a contract casualty in NJ. He scored 30 points in 36 AHL games in Utica this year so his form is not totally lost either. Wouldn't hate giving him an NHL chance and seeing if he'd sign a short term $1.5-2M deal here this offseason to see if we can rebuild his value and flip him at the TDL next year. Obviously dependent upon him playing well here though.
Didn't want him so much that he traded for him. For one, Kaut was called up using an Emergency Loan rather than a true AHL to NHL call up. Secondly, with Zetterlund and Johnsson coming onto the NHL roster there isn't a realistic spot to play him until some of the group of Barabanov, Gregor, Bonino, and Labanc are traded this week.
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I think Kaut has a long term future in the lineup. Right now Zetterlund and Johnsson probably provide more of a veteran presence to the team. just my assumption. The Cuda need some playmakers like Kaut in their lineup. On a side note, I posted a mock draft I saw last night in the Bedardathon. I wouldn’t be mad at taking Carlsson at 3 if we end up there and Charlie Stramel with the 1st we got from NJ.
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If we're at 3, I am 100% taking Carlsson over Michkov. Building through the middle of the roster with centers, defense, and goaltending. Much easier to find wingers that can ride shotgun with really good centers than wingers that can make mediocre centers passable.
With the 2nd pick, I like Dragicevic currently. Not sure if we're at the stage of the rebuild/retool/whatever we want to call it to where we should be targeting positions beyond the top 5 rather than just going BPA, but a RD prospect would be a nice addition to the prospect pool. 6'2, solid skater, good offensive/puck-moving instincts. Walk out of the 1st round with one of the top 3 and Dragicevic and I am over the moon happy.
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