Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Friday]

I mean its still possible to sign him for 10M and flip next year too? Not like MG is backed into a corner. SJ should be getting something fun back. Lafreniere is not having a great year. But only 21, does NYR really give up on him so fast? And you gotta feel if they do that they dont see him as future star anyways. Do the Sharks really want to take a chance on a player whos likely a top 6 bust that might grind out a nice 3rd liner role?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Would you trade Meier for Hughes 1 for 1? There’s always that gap in value assessment between a player who is, and what a player may be. Hughes could be an elite dman in the NHL, but Meier is an elite player already. If I were Grier, I’m not trading an elite player for anyone who doesn’t have the possibility to at least approach that ceiling. Especially since Meier still has 3-4 more good years. The quantity packages are underwhelming. I don’t want Holtz, a 1st and another prospect. I’m aiming as high as possible. If Hughes or Nemec aren’t part of the package, then I’m not very interested. If you’re trading Meier to hasten the rebuild, it has to return a core piece.

Without a shadow of a doubt, I would trade Meier for Luke Hughes straight up.

What some around here are fundamentally misunderstanding is that Meier’s value is his team-controlled years and the best opportunity to sign him long term. We’ve already used Meier through most of his team-controlled years, so most of his value as an asset has been used up. His value now is one year of team control and the opportunity to sign him long-term. That’s why no one will trade a single prospect with elite potential for Meier, despite Meier being undeniably elite and in the middle of his prime.

I totally agree with wanting to get the best single asset for Meier rather than a bunch of lesser assets. I just feel that the single best asset we could get will be a draft pick.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Lafriniere + Kakko + NYR’s (2nd) 1st rd pick in 2023..The later one. Id do it. Maybe a change of scenery and a different dynamic on a team in restart mode does something for these guy’s confidence. Hopefully Quinn as our coach isn’t a point of contention for either guy if a deal for one or both of them happens.

 

[Alaskanice]

Lafriniere + Kakko + NYR’s (2nd) 1st rd pick in 2023..The later one. Id do it. Maybe a change of scenery and a different dynamic on a team in restart mode does something for these guy’s confidence. Hopefully Quinn as our coach isn’t a point of contention for either guy if a deal for one or both of them happens.

This seems out of this world. I guess we can dream.

 

[Gecklund]

Lafriniere + Kakko + NYR’s (2nd) 1st rd pick in 2023..The later one. Id do it. Maybe a change of scenery and a different dynamic on a team in restart mode does something for these guy’s confidence. Hopefully Quinn as our coach isn’t a point of contention for either guy if a deal for one or both of them happens.

Laf and Kakko aren’t anything great right now. Also not really showing a ton in terms of potential at this point.

 

[Grinner]

The Rangers 1st, Oathmann and Cuylle

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

This seems out of this world. I guess we can dream.

Its literally 2 B level prospects and a late 1st. Don't get caught up in the names. They were both lottery picks but haven't lived up to expectations. Othmann and Cuylle as the poster above me mentioned looks like a better deal. Do we get a 1st Rd pick with both of them included?

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I think the trade will ultimately be with one of these as the base. I'll list all of the teams that have been rumoured.

NJD: Holtz + 1st
NYR: Othmann + 1st
CAR: Morrow + 1st
BUF: Ostlund + 1st (If it's Savoie I would be ecstatic but I doubt it)
TOR: Knies + 1st
MTL: FLA 1st + B prospect
DET: DET 1st + B prospect

I don't see MTL or DET going for him. But they probably have the best 1st round picks to offer. I also don't think the Rangers will pull the trigger. IMO it'll be a bidding war between NJD and CAR as they look for playoff runs and they're in the same division. It'll all depend what prospect Grier likes.

 

[Gecklund]

I think the trade will ultimately be with one of these as the base. I'll list all of the teams that have been rumoured.

NJD: Holtz + 1st
NYR: Othmann + 1st
CAR: Morrow + 1st
BUF: Ostlund + 1st (If it's Savoie I would be ecstatic but I doubt it)
TOR: Knies + 1st
MTL: FLA 1st + B prospect
DET: DET 1st + B prospect

I don't see MTL or DET going for him. But they probably have the best 1st round picks to offer. I also don't think the Rangers will pull the trigger. IMO it'll be a bidding war between NJD and CAR as they look for playoff runs and they're in the same division. It'll all depend what prospect Grier likes.

Hot take: Othmann will not be more than third liner in the NHL. I’d take the CAR, DET, MTL, NJD, BUF packages in that order. Toronto I really don’t see happening because they want to keep Knies and their first.

 

[timorous me]

Hot take: Othmann will not be more than third liner in the NHL. I’d take the CAR, DET, MTL, NJD, BUF packages in that order. Toronto I really don’t see happening because they want to keep Knies and their first.

I don't know Othmann well enough to say that, but what I will say is that I doubt that the Rangers' and Leafs' packages will be able to match the others because of how hard it would be for both teams to sign Meier to a long-term extension, which is where a decent amount of his value lies.

(Not just an extension--how would they even fit his QO under the cap next year--unless we're getting roster players back who would be taking up some of that cap room, and I'm skeptical there of who we would get or if, for instance, the Rangers would be willing to deal Lafreniere or Kakko.)

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

I liked Ostlund when we were in that 11 spot this past draft so I’d definitely be interested in him plus a 1st in 2023 preferably.

 

[Munnyro]

The dream would be Semec, 2nd, and bad money like Brendan Smith or we compensate with our own picks but they wouldn't give up Semec.

Side note, kinda weird to have someone from out team being the talk of the town at trade deadline. This is a new one for me.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

The dream would be Semec, 2nd, and bad money like Brendan Smith or we compensate with our own picks but they wouldn't give up Semec.

Side note, kinda weird to have someone from out team being the talk of the town at trade deadline. This is a new one for me.

I'm assuming you mean Nemec...yeah I would not expect him.

 

[NiWa]

I think Nemec is a possibility and probably the best single asset we could get back for Meier. We would need to add a little though.

 

[Great Makohead Shork]

I think Nemec is a possibility and probably the best single asset we could get back for Meier. We would need to add a little though.

Agreed. Like Leb and Jux said earlier, I'd be ecstatic if it were a 1 for 1 swap. I'd even add something if we had to. A future top pairing dman for a current top line forward. Forget all the lesser pieces, we need elite talent coming back, especially on the back end.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

I'm assuming you mean Nemec...yeah I would not expect him.

I think he misses Radim so much that there was Freudian slip with "Semec"

 

[LadyStanley]

Hmmmmm

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Hmmmmm

For retention purposes? Is that allowed?

 

[LadyStanley]

For retention purposes? Is that allowed?

Yes, Or to acquire player

 

[Chinaski89]

Canes just placed Paccoreity {sp} on LTIR… what can the Canes offer? I’d love for Timo to come to NC and get the cup with Burns since I’ve lived here for eight years now lol

 

[themelkman]

Canes just placed Paccoreity {sp} on LTIR… what can the Canes offer? I’d love for Timo to come to NC and get the cup with Burns since I’ve lived here for eight years now lol

Probably a package of Morrow/Nishkin, 2023 first +. I really really want Jarvis but odds are very low

 

[Alaskanice]

Canes just placed Paccoreity {sp} on LTIR… what can the Canes offer? I’d love for Timo to come to NC and get the cup with Burns since I’ve lived here for eight years now lol

Morrow, Glib and a first??

 

[Gecklund]

Canes just placed Paccoreity {sp} on LTIR… what can the Canes offer? I’d love for Timo to come to NC and get the cup with Burns since I’ve lived here for eight years now lol

I’d be looking at Morrow+Drury/1st+cap

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Yes, Or to acquire player

So essentially to take back salary from a team to even out the deal. Makes sense. I think that unlocks a lot more in what you can ask for in the return package. We’re helping you out with your cap relief, AND you’re getting an RFA who you have exclusive negotiating rights for AND youre getting a player who will instantly enhance your top 6. Pay what you owe..

 

[Juxtaposer]

I’d be looking at Morrow+Drury/1st+cap

I didn’t want to say anything on the trade boards because I like Canes fans, but this seems significantly worse than a lot of the proposals we’ve seen from other teams. Drury seems like a nothing player, he just turned 23 and is putting up barely a half a point per game in the AHL. Their 1st will be around 27th-32nd overall. Morrow is a good prospect but it’s not like he’s setting the world on fire, and given that he’d have to make up the vast majority of the value in this package, I just don’t see it.