they really could get a head start on this given that we have a half season we could avoid being mediocre in lol
Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II
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they really could get a head start on this given that we have a half season we could avoid being mediocre in lol
I think that if Meier gets traded then EK is likely right behind him (although might have to wait till offseason). If both of those guys go then I think it is likely that Couture asks to be traded as well (unless we get Bedard). Hertl might not because he is younger and might want to see it through.
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This might be a silly idea, but I'm firmly in "run out the clock" mode at work so I thought I'd throw it out there.
If the $10M QO for Timo indeed proves an obstacle in trade discussions, is it allowed for the Sharks to sign Timo to a 1-year extension before the deadline and then retain 50% on both years to get him to UFA? I think that's technically retaining on two separate contracts (albeit in different years), and I don't know if there are other rules on when you can and cannot sign RFAs during a contract.
Not even saying it's a good idea, just curious if those mechanics are allowable. I assume having Meier at $5M next year for someone who thinks this and next years are two good chances at the cup would be very appealing.
If the $10M QO for Timo indeed proves an obstacle in trade discussions, is it allowed for the Sharks to sign Timo to a 1-year extension before the deadline and then retain 50% on both years to get him to UFA? I think that's technically retaining on two separate contracts (albeit in different years), and I don't know if there are other rules on when you can and cannot sign RFAs during a contract.
Not even saying it's a good idea, just curious if those mechanics are allowable. I assume having Meier at $5M next year for someone who thinks this and next years are two good chances at the cup would be very appealing.
In everyone's opinion, who are you more urgent to trade, Timo or Erik? Timo obviously only has half a season and than an expensive RFA season so the team could technically sit on him for a year or so, but is that in their best interest? Karlsson may very well be back to the Erik of old, but is it worth the risk of waiting around to find out?
For me, it's Karlsson. It's just more difficult to move that contract than it is to deal with Meier either now, the offseason, or next trade deadline. And in terms of helping the tank now, it's definitely Karlsson that has more impact on the team winning than Meier does.
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Jargon
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I hate to lose Meier but we have so many holes to fill and so much time before we’re competitive that Meier essentially gives us the opportunity to take a gamble on having multiple prospects pay off for the team.
So, say, we get a 1st, a blue chip prospect and a roster player… that gives us two firsts, one probably higher than we would have gotten if Meier was on the team, and another high end prospect.
If this pays off, we can fill multiple holes in the future, even if none of those players are as good as Meier, it lets us spread out hopefully higher end talent through the lineup.
So, I’m all for it. We also may totally collapse without him and get Bedard, so… one can hope.
So, say, we get a 1st, a blue chip prospect and a roster player… that gives us two firsts, one probably higher than we would have gotten if Meier was on the team, and another high end prospect.
If this pays off, we can fill multiple holes in the future, even if none of those players are as good as Meier, it lets us spread out hopefully higher end talent through the lineup.
So, I’m all for it. We also may totally collapse without him and get Bedard, so… one can hope.
themelkman
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If we can snag a second for Megna I will be really happy. Wonder why no Barabanov smoke yet, maybe the extra year
I can't see any team giving up a second for him. He strikes me as someone who can bring back a struggling prospect.
Timo, Nieto, Bonino gone and then the Sharks have an awful forward corps to match the d.
What thats a top line with Barbie - Hertl - Eyssimont. Second line is what Couture with Sturm and Lindblom? Unless thats when they bring the kids up. But why, awesome tanking lineup .
What thats a top line with Barbie - Hertl - Eyssimont. Second line is what Couture with Sturm and Lindblom? Unless thats when they bring the kids up. But why, awesome tanking lineup .
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I wonder if a team could offer sheet Timo. Is there a situation where if the original team (Sharks) matches they cannot trade that player in the first year of the new contract? I feel like I remember there being some weird rules.
Would four first round picks in the next four years be good compensation? I guess looking at the brackets for compensation for offer sheeting it'd likely be two first and a second rounder and a third rounder based on AAV.
The top bracket, only Florida can't make that high an offer because they're missing pick(s). The other teams all have the picks.
The two firsts, a second and a third, for the next tier: $8,402,976 - $10,503,720 Might be an option. Kinda iffy return for Meier.
The next down is a first, second and third. $6,302,231 - $8,402,975 I could see 7 years at 8.4 being enticing and that's a shit return.
Like the Kraken have Joner 2M and Donkskoi at 3.9 million coming off the books Soucy is another 2.75M and then Donato's 1.2M... 8.4 for 7 years and all they have to do is give up a first, second and third. Or, if the Sharks match they have him at term at a high cap hit. I guess the Sharks could flip him after the fact as long as there's no rule against trading the matched offer sheeted player in the first year. I wonder if the Kraken could flip him if he were to sign the offer sheet to get a bigger haul than what they paid in offer sheet comp. Kraken could go to nearly 10M just letting UFA's walk. I know it'd be weird for them to do so, but who the hell knows what other moves they might be able to make in the meantime to prep and work to backfill the holes the UFA will leave.
I hope Timo signs an extension before the Sharks trade him. Perhaps Jumbo is hanging around to plant the seeds of how signing shorter, more team friendly deals to leave more cap space for the team you're playing for allows for the flexibility to build a winning team...
Would four first round picks in the next four years be good compensation? I guess looking at the brackets for compensation for offer sheeting it'd likely be two first and a second rounder and a third rounder based on AAV.
The top bracket, only Florida can't make that high an offer because they're missing pick(s). The other teams all have the picks.
The two firsts, a second and a third, for the next tier: $8,402,976 - $10,503,720 Might be an option. Kinda iffy return for Meier.
The next down is a first, second and third. $6,302,231 - $8,402,975 I could see 7 years at 8.4 being enticing and that's a shit return.
Like the Kraken have Joner 2M and Donkskoi at 3.9 million coming off the books Soucy is another 2.75M and then Donato's 1.2M... 8.4 for 7 years and all they have to do is give up a first, second and third. Or, if the Sharks match they have him at term at a high cap hit. I guess the Sharks could flip him after the fact as long as there's no rule against trading the matched offer sheeted player in the first year. I wonder if the Kraken could flip him if he were to sign the offer sheet to get a bigger haul than what they paid in offer sheet comp. Kraken could go to nearly 10M just letting UFA's walk. I know it'd be weird for them to do so, but who the hell knows what other moves they might be able to make in the meantime to prep and work to backfill the holes the UFA will leave.
I hope Timo signs an extension before the Sharks trade him. Perhaps Jumbo is hanging around to plant the seeds of how signing shorter, more team friendly deals to leave more cap space for the team you're playing for allows for the flexibility to build a winning team...
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I don’t think you can retain on future contracts but I have nothing to back this claim.
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Gecklund
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That’s correct. It has to be the current contract. Hypothetically though if we did a sign and trade in the off-season, I THINK we can retain on his contract.
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Debrincat got the Hawks a top 10 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 2024. For Meier with an offer sheet already in hand, id want a 1st, a 2nd and a prospect who’s not at the top of the other team’s prospect pool but a guy who’s got great potential. Not some out the door, career AHL guy. That’s just me. For EK, I’m hoping for 2 stud prospects and a 1st. For Megna, meh, a 5th In 2024. Barby, a 2nd in 23’ or 24’ and 3rd in 2023 would be ideal. Ferraro, same as Barby. Bonino, a 4th in 23’. Id prefer not to trade Sturm Or Lorentz. Gadjovich…Whatever you can get. Nieto, a 4th in 23’ or 24’. Reimer, I mean, is a 2nd or 3rd in 2023 too much to ask?
Gecklund
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While Timo is probably a better than Cat, Cat had a year left. I’d probably be looking for one first and one solid prospect.
EK I don’t think you’d get that mostly because most of the interested teams won’t have that. I think you’re looking at a couple cap dumps, a couple picks, and maybe a prospect
Megna I’d ask for a 2nd. Don’t think he’s worth that but I didn’t think Middleton was either and honestly same player.
Ferraro I’d trade for a bag of chips.
Bonino I’d move for a 5th.
DeepBlueSea408
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Same here! I think the dream would be Meier (extended) + Merkley+ 5th for Jarvis + Nikishin + 1st
Then deal the depth players + Reimer at the deadline and then HOPEFULLY have a Karlsson deal done by the draft
PacificOceanPotion
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Jarvis and a 1st would be a great consolation for losing Meier.
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Hertl is who should have been traded last year, but all the geniuses want to blame Grier for that, lul. Hertl, the 8x8 player who is as soft as charmin, but hey, at least he's a point per game playa! Thats what matters!
Re-sign Meier to 8x9. Trade Karlsson if you can magically find a mere 25% retainment. Otherwise, keep him. And how about re-calling Dell, or, I don't know, literally anybody, and tell the worst goalie in NHL history to pack his bags. On second thought, i'd seriously consider decking him in the face before he walks out of the building. Releasing him lets the little twerp off easy. And genius Wilson actually sent a solid 2nd pairing d man who was cheap for this laughable prick. Utterly hilarious.
Re-sign Meier to 8x9. Trade Karlsson if you can magically find a mere 25% retainment. Otherwise, keep him. And how about re-calling Dell, or, I don't know, literally anybody, and tell the worst goalie in NHL history to pack his bags. On second thought, i'd seriously consider decking him in the face before he walks out of the building. Releasing him lets the little twerp off easy. And genius Wilson actually sent a solid 2nd pairing d man who was cheap for this laughable prick. Utterly hilarious.
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