Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part 1

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Rookies do hit walls, or so I hear...

 

[Anomie2029]

Rookies do hit walls, or so I hear...

Especially when you add in injury and COVID.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Remember when Dahlen dislocated his shoulder and tried to pop it back in during play.

That was so weird.

 

[Lebanezer]

Remember when Dahlen dislocated his shoulder and tried to pop it back in during play.

That was so weird.

He’s not tough though.

 

[landshark]

He’s not tough though.

 

[Hodge]

Sounds like Dahlen is heading back to Timra. Clearly every NHL GM is an idiot.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Sounds like Dahlen is heading back to Timra. Clearly every NHL GM is an idiot.

Yes.

 

[Lebanezer]

Yes.

Maybe he should be a GM.

 

[Barrie22]

The fact dahlen can or will only play in timra shows he has no motivation to get better. Keep going back to the 2nd or 3rd best league in sweden just does not help him.

 

[WTFetus]

The fact dahlen can or will only play in timra shows he has no motivation to get better. Keep going back to the 2nd or 3rd best league in sweden just does not help him.

I mean, it helps him financially. He gets a lot more in Timra than he would in the AHL.

 

[Cas]

The fact dahlen can or will only play in timra shows he has no motivation to get better. Keep going back to the 2nd or 3rd best league in sweden just does not help him.

Timra is in the SHL.

 

[sharski]

The fact dahlen can or will only play in timra shows he has no motivation to get better. Keep going back to the 2nd or 3rd best league in sweden just does not help him.

I mean, it helps him financially. He gets a lot more in Timra than he would in the AHL.

Dahlen: Hey, wait, hold up! I don't have any cash, but I do have the pink slip to my SHL contract.

GMMG: Wait, you just can't climb in the ring with Ali 'cause you think you can box!

Dahlen: [points to DW] He knows I can box! So check it out, it's like this: If I lose, winner takes my career clean and clear. But if I win, I take the cash, and I take the respect!

GMMG: [laughing] Respect?

Dahlen: To some people, that's more important.

 

[hohosaregood]

Timra is in the SHL.

They were pretty close to getting relegated again but thankfully for them Eklund and Djurgarden were worse.

 

[Cas]

They were pretty close to getting relegated again but thankfully for them Eklund and Djurgarden were worse.

He could be a big help for them if he indeed returns.

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

I think Dahlen was only going to sign a 1 way deal otherwise he would make more playing for Timra in SHL. I’m guessing GMs were hesitant to give him a 1 way offer

 

[Hodge]

The fact dahlen can or will only play in timra shows he has no motivation to get better. Keep going back to the 2nd or 3rd best league in sweden just does not help him.

He doesn't have a choice. Nobody thinks Dahlen is a NHL player except Doug Wilson Jr. Maybe there's a front office job for him in Timra too.

 

[Barrie22]

Timra is in the SHL.

So timra got better without dahlen? As they were trying to get promoted in his last season there.

 

[Cas]

So timra got better without dahlen? As they were trying to get promoted in his last season there.

They did get promoted in his last season there.

Most Allsvenskan teams that get promoted seem to be near the bottom of the SHL the next season, though - at least that's how it looks to me through a quick perusal of the recent standings - so Timra's being bad in their first season back in the SHL shouldn't be a surprise anyway.

 

[Kcoyote3]

He doesn't have a choice. Nobody thinks Dahlen is a NHL player except Doug Wilson Jr. Maybe there's a front office job for him in Timra too.

Boy this is a skip and a jump huh? The guy in charge of the amateur draft is somehow responsible for the trade to acquire a professional player, and the lineup decisions made with him despite being neither the coach or the GM. Oh and also he drafted the dude who got traded. Could it be that you’re conflating to try to fit this into a different nonsense argument that you have? Nah, never.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Boy this is a skip and a jump huh? The guy in charge of the amateur draft is somehow responsible for the trade to acquire a professional player, and the lineup decisions made with him despite being neither the coach or the GM. Oh and also he drafted the dude who got traded. Could it be that you’re conflating to try to fit this into a different nonsense argument that you have? Nah, never.

Yea, what a complete non-sequitur

 

[Hodge]

Boy this is a skip and a jump huh? The guy in charge of the amateur draft is somehow responsible for the trade to acquire a professional player, and the lineup decisions made with him despite being neither the coach or the GM. Oh and also he drafted the dude who got traded. Could it be that you’re conflating to try to fit this into a different nonsense argument that you have? Nah, never.

From this interview with Sheng:

He sees the game at a very high level. The last few years, we’ve really focused in on doing everything we can to find difference-makers through trades, the draft. We traded a good player for him in Linus Karlsson, but it was a risk we had to take because the kid’s skill level is very high-end.

He still has a lot of development to go, in regards to an NHL body, to get through 82 games.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our top-six forwards are Logan Couture, first-round pick. Tomas Hertl, first-round pick. Evander Kane, first-round pick. Timo Meier, first-round pick. To get those star players, you have to draft them. We’ve traded a ton of picks recently, so we’ve had to come up with some other creative ways.

Trading Linus for Jonathan just gave us another chance at a potential top-six forward.

He’s very smart. What’s going to allow him to be successful is how he thinks the game, how he reads the play, his play-making and finishing ability.

Sure sounds like a guy who had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to trade for Dahlen. I stand corrected.

 

[Kcoyote3]

From this interview with Sheng:



Sure sounds like a guy who had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to trade for Dahlen. I stand corrected.

Sharks Acquire Forward Jonathan Dahlen from the Vancouver Canucks | San Jose Sharks

Exchange for prospect Linus Karlsson

www.nhl.com

San Jose Sharks (@SanJoseSharks) General Manager Doug Wilson announced today that the club has acquired forward Jonathan Dahlen (@JonathanDahlen) from the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for forward prospect Linus Karlsson.

Dahlen is currently playing with Utica in the American Hockey League, where he is fifth in scoring with 29 points (14 goals and 15 assists) in 50 games in his first professional season.

"Jonathan is an uber-competitive forward who has been a scorer at every level of hockey he has played," said Wilson. "He is going to add some scoring punch to the Barracuda as they push for their fourth consecutive playoff appearance and we think he has a strong future in the NHL."

Missed the part of the press release that said Junior.

 

[Hodge]

Sharks Acquire Forward Jonathan Dahlen from the Vancouver Canucks | San Jose Sharks

Exchange for prospect Linus Karlsson

www.nhl.com

Missed the part of the press release that said Junior.

So your position is that if someone isn’t quoted in the official team press release announcing a transaction they had nothing to do with the decision?

If Junior disagreed with his dad about Dahlen he wouldn’t have given the kind of answer he gave Sheng in that interview. The reality is Dahlen is exactly the kind of soft slow “skilled” forward Junior falls in love with and we’re about to see his other favorites who fit that mold like Bordeleau, Gushchin and Robins follow the same path as Dahlen.

 

[Lebanezer]

So your position is that if someone isn’t quoted in the official team press release announcing a transaction they had nothing to do with the decision?

If Junior disagreed with his dad about Dahlen he wouldn’t have given the kind of answer he gave Sheng in that interview. The reality is Dahlen is exactly the kind of soft slow “skilled” forward Junior falls in love with and we’re about to see his other favorites who fit that mold like Bordeleau, Gushchin and Robins follow the same path as Dahlen.

This is a completely, and unsurprisingly wrong take. You’re completely ignoring context and perspective just so you can target DW Jr. First of all, Jr. is a scout who works with analytics, and his response to Sheng was a scout’s view of the player. In the quote you referenced Jr. even said that Dahlen had a long way to go physically to develop into an NHL player. He’s not even definitively calling him an NHL player yet, even though you said “Nobody thinks Dahlen is a NHL player except Doug Wilson Jr.” Secondly, Jr. isn’t going to publicly pan a player from the organization he works for. That’s not a smart career move. While there is some validity to your last point, even though it’s all tbd, the stuff about DW Jr. is just silly.

 

[OrrNumber4]

First of all, Jr. is a scout who works with analytics, and his response to Sheng was a scout’s view of the player. In the quote you referenced Jr. even said that Dahlen had a long way to go physically to develop into an NHL player. He’s not even definitively calling him an NHL player yet, even though you said “Nobody thinks Dahlen is a NHL player except Doug Wilson Jr.” Secondly, Jr. isn’t going to publicly pan a player from the organization he works for. That’s not a smart career move. While there is some validity to your last point, even though it’s all tbd, the stuff about DW Jr. is just silly.

Well-said. The article is a good one; it shows the thought process DWJr and the Sharks had with Dahlen. Drafting is an inexact science.

So your position is that if someone isn’t quoted in the official team press release announcing a transaction they had nothing to do with the decision?

Fair enough.

If Junior disagreed with his dad about Dahlen he wouldn’t have given the kind of answer he gave Sheng in that interview. The reality is Dahlen is exactly the kind of soft slow “skilled” forward Junior falls in love with and we’re about to see his other favorites who fit that mold like Bordeleau, Gushchin and Robins follow the same path as Dahlen.

I can appreciate how bold you're being. All it would take is one of those players breaking through for you to have egg on your face.