Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part 1

[Kcoyote3]

Well-said. The article is a good one; it shows the thought process DWJr and the Sharks had with Dahlen. Drafting is an inexact science.


Fair enough.


I can appreciate how bold you're being. All it would take is one of those players breaking through for you to have egg on your face.

No, because then he would remove them from the statement and continue on. There’s no middle ground. Notice how Eklund or Coe aren’t included, because they’re doing “well”. Hodge has no actual projection ability and relies on overstatement and grandiose exaggeration to make points that make them seem smart. If Robins becomes a 30 goal scorer or Gushchin becomes a staple second liner Hodge will mention how Wiesblatt busted and how DWJr is working for an organization that has no clout, because they only care about appeals to authority and grandiosity.

 

[DG93]

Well-said. The article is a good one; it shows the thought process DWJr and the Sharks had with Dahlen. Drafting is an inexact science.


Fair enough.


I can appreciate how bold you're being. All it would take is one of those players breaking through for you to have egg on your face.

And I think the odds of one of them making the NHL are pretty high, specifically Bordeleau. He might end up being just a complementary middle-6 tweener, but I think he makes it. Robins could carve out a 4th line role. Gushchin is totally boom or bust lol.

 

[Levie]

I used to think he just wanted to appear smarter than everyone on the forums and that was his schtick. Now I just think DW Jr personally did something to him.

 

[OrrNumber4]

No, because then he would remove them from the statement and continue on. There’s no middle ground. Notice how Eklund or Coe aren’t included, because they’re doing “well”. Hodge has no actual projection ability and relies on overstatement and grandiose exaggeration to make points that make them seem smart. If Robins becomes a 30 goal scorer or Gushchin becomes a staple second liner Hodge will mention how Wiesblatt busted and how DWJr is working for an organization that has no clout, because they only care about appeals to authority and grandiosity.

I'd assume that Coe is exempted because of his size, and Eklund because his skill is truly on another level.

Hodge has also given credit to DWJr for the Norris and Ferraro picks (and Hatakka as well).

 

[Hodge]

No, because then he would remove them from the statement and continue on. There’s no middle ground. Notice how Eklund or Coe aren’t included, because they’re doing “well”. Hodge has no actual projection ability and relies on overstatement and grandiose exaggeration to make points that make them seem smart. If Robins becomes a 30 goal scorer or Gushchin becomes a staple second liner Hodge will mention how Wiesblatt busted and how DWJr is working for an organization that has no clout, because they only care about appeals to authority and grandiosity.

I omitted Coe because he isn't small not because I think he will have a NHL career (I don't).

If any of Coe, Bordeleau, Wiesblatt, Gushchin or Robins establish themselves as a legit top nine forward (or even a useful fourth liner) I will happily admit I was wrong because that would be a positive development for the Sharks. I just don't see it and I think the odds ANY of them hit are far lower than many on here would care to admit.

Eklund is in a class of his own. We need more prospects like him.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I would say Bordeleau gave some us something to get excited about in the end of the last season, by carrying that 3rd line w/ Balcers, Gregor and actually making it look good for the first time since 2018-2019 season. I am no analytics guy, so I don't know if actually someone else had more to do with it, but it seemed like Bordeleau really helped both Balcers and Gregor perform.

Bordeleau is a stud, not a superstar but he will work his ass off and I could see him become a top 6 contributer in the future. That OT winner against Vegas was more than just skill or analytics, that was confidence. That confidence and work can be giant factor for Bordeleau.

 

[STL Shark]

I omitted Coe because he isn't small not because I think he will have a NHL career (I don't).

If any of Coe, Bordeleau, Wiesblatt, Gushchin or Robins establish themselves as a legit top nine forward (or even a useful fourth liner) I will happily admit I was wrong because that would be a positive development for the Sharks. I just don't see it and I think the odds ANY of them hit are far lower than many on here would care to admit.

Eklund is in a class of his own. We need more prospects like him.

Think Coe and Weisblatt will be at least 4th liners. They're the types of guys that you want to have in those spots. Decent size (Coe is big while Wiesblatt is average) while being good skaters and having some scoring punch along with having some grit to their game as well (Wiesblatt especially in the grit department as a noted pest). Getting any sort of regular NHLer at 31st overall is generally a win based on the percentages and out of the 4th round with Coe would be even bigger.

I can see the arguments on Robins/Guschin as it is more likely that guys with those physical skills and styles fail than it is that they succeed, but I think Bordeleau, Wiesblatt, and Coe are pretty safe bets to become NHL players for various reasons.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Wiesblatt is much more skilled than your average 4th liner. Dude is seriously underrated on this board. He has more offensive potential than any bottom sixer we currently have imo.

 

[Hodge]

Think Coe and Weisblatt will be at least 4th liners. They're the types of guys that you want to have in those spots. Decent size (Coe is big while Wiesblatt is average) while being good skaters and having some scoring punch along with having some grit to their game as well (Wiesblatt especially in the grit department as a noted pest). Getting any sort of regular NHLer at 31st overall is generally a win based on the percentages and out of the 4th round with Coe would be even bigger.

I can see the arguments on Robins/Guschin as it is more likely that guys with those physical skills and styles fail than it is that they succeed, but I think Bordeleau, Wiesblatt, and Coe are pretty safe bets to become NHL players for various reasons.

Despite Coe's size I don't think his game is well suited to a modern 4th line expected to bring energy and speed. Wiesblatt's might be and I agree that's more or less a win at 31st overall but getting Noah Gregor 2.0 out of him isn't exactly going to change the fortunes of the Sharks either.

There is nothing that suggests to me Robins or Gushchin is going to make a NHL impact. Raska probably has a better shot than them.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Think Coe and Weisblatt will be at least 4th liners. They're the types of guys that you want to have in those spots. Decent size (Coe is big while Wiesblatt is average) while being good skaters and having some scoring punch along with having some grit to their game as well (Wiesblatt especially in the grit department as a noted pest). Getting any sort of regular NHLer at 31st overall is generally a win based on the percentages and out of the 4th round with Coe would be even bigger.

I can see the arguments on Robins/Guschin as it is more likely that guys with those physical skills and styles fail than it is that they succeed, but I think Bordeleau, Wiesblatt, and Coe are pretty safe bets to become NHL players for various reasons.

Does Coe have grit to his game? I haven’t watched anything other than highlights, but the one thing that is almost universal in writeups about him is that despite his size he doesn’t use it to physically dominate opponents.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Does Coe have grit to his game? I haven’t watched anything other than highlights, but the one thing that is almost universal in writeups about him is that despite his size he doesn’t use it to physically dominate opponents.

I’m in the same boat. Haven’t seen him play once. From everything I’ve read, he doesn’t play with as much physicality as he probably should. I don’t think he’ll ever be a bruiser, and that’s fine. He seems to be much more finesse and playmaking.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

I’m in the same boat. Haven’t seen him play once. From everything I’ve read, he doesn’t play with as much physicality as he probably should. I don’t think he’ll ever be a bruiser, and that’s fine. He seems to be much more finesse and playmaking.

Just to be clear, I’m not knocking him or his chances to get to the NHL, I’m actually find him to be quite an intriguing prospect - but counting on him to be a gritty bottom-6 winger seems like a stretch based on what I’ve read. I’ve been getting the impression he’s more of a boom/bust middle-six scoring winger type.

 

[jarr92]

If any of Coe, Bordeleau, Wiesblatt, Gushchin or Robins establish themselves as a legit top nine forward (or even a useful fourth liner) I will happily admit I was wrong because that would be a positive development for the Sharks.

What are you basing this assessment on? Didn't you already admit that you don't really watch any junior/college games?

 

[Patty Ice]

So timra got better without dahlen? As they were trying to get promoted in his last season there.

No, they got promoted in his last year with the team.

 

[Patty Ice]

Weisblatt is not unlike a Ryan Hartman. He is a gritty guy that will always give you an honest effort. And there is always the potential the offense comes like with Hartman last year.

Not to say his career will mirror Hartman but they are very similarly skilled players.

 

[Gecklund]

Does Coe have grit to his game? I haven’t watched anything other than highlights, but the one thing that is almost universal in writeups about him is that despite his size he doesn’t use it to physically dominate opponents.

No he does not.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

For what it's worth, @Pinkfloyd has hitched his wagon to Coe and has sung his praises for a while now. We all know how hard it is for PF to love so that means a heck of a lot coming from him.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

For what it's worth, @Pinkfloyd has hitched his wagon to Coe and has sung his praises for a while now. We all know how hard it is for PF to love so that means a heck of a lot coming from him.

Maybe but my track record is far from perfect. My liking a guy doesn't mean they'll make it. I liked Nikolai Goldobin.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Coe isn’t physical in the sense that he’s not mean, he doesn’t throw hits. But he absolutely used his man strength to bully the OHL last season. Once he had the puck, it was next to impossible for 18/19 year olds to get it off him. He probably won’t be able to do that in the NHL. Take that for what you will from me.

 

[Kcoyote3]

I omitted Coe because he isn't small not because I think he will have a NHL career (I don't).

If any of Coe, Bordeleau, Wiesblatt, Gushchin or Robins establish themselves as a legit top nine forward (or even a useful fourth liner) I will happily admit I was wrong because that would be a positive development for the Sharks. I just don't see it and I think the odds ANY of them hit are far lower than many on here would care to admit.

Eklund is in a class of his own. We need more prospects like him.

What reasoning do you have for that line of thinking if you admit you haven’t watched much of them? Cause their development curves have all been fine except Ozzy

 

[CupfortheSharks]

Coe isn’t physical in the sense that he’s not mean, he doesn’t throw hits. But he absolutely used his man strength to bully the OHL last season. Once he had the puck, it was next to impossible for 18/19 year olds to get it off him. He probably won’t be able to do that in the NHL. Take that for what you will from me.

I haven’t seen Coe play much. Do you think he is good enough without the puck to earn himself a NHL job? Does he have good defensive awareness and positioning? Does he go into the corners and win puck battles? Does he play hard every shift?

 

[OrrNumber4]

If a late round pick is going to be a top-half-of-the-lineup player, he has to destroy the lower leagues. Look at Kevin Labanc; he was lighting up the OHL as an 18-year-old (and shattered the league as a 19-year-old). The next year he was a ppg in the AHL (on a bad team) and even showed that he could produce in NHL minutes.

 

[SjMilhouse]

I omitted Coe because he isn't small not because I think he will have a NHL career (I don't).

If any of Coe, Bordeleau, Wiesblatt, Gushchin or Robins establish themselves as a legit top nine forward (or even a useful fourth liner) I will happily admit I was wrong because that would be a positive development for the Sharks. I just don't see it and I think the odds ANY of them hit are far lower than many on here would care to admit.

Eklund is in a class of his own. We need more prospects like him.

Without knowing anything or watching anything on these players, I've basically learned over the years we are lucky if 1 of those players establish themselves as anything more than a 3rd line player. I've been burned too many times getting excited about prospects who end up doing absolutely nothing based on what people project here. But maybe I get overly excited that prospects will turn into legit 1st/2nd liners and people really just mean a solid 3rd liner is a big win

 

[Juxtaposer]

I haven’t seen Coe play much. Do you think he is good enough without the puck to earn himself a NHL job? Does he have good defensive awareness and positioning? Does he go into the corners and win puck battles? Does he play hard every shift?

Not really. But he’ll be given every chance to due to his size and skating. Whereas it wouldn’t surprise me if a guy like Tristen Robins never stepped foot on NHL ice.

I firmly believe that Coe was able to score so much in the OHL purely because of his size. He really could just shrug guys off him and go to the net.

 

[tahoesharksfan]

Wiesblatt is much more skilled than your average 4th liner. Dude is seriously underrated on this board. He has more offensive potential than any bottom sixer we currently have imo.

I'm looking forward to him proving you right...