Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part 1

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themelkman

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Severson = Weegar, 1st round picks net, so the difference is a Coe caliber prospect (Schwindt) and a 100+ point producing Huberdeau compared to just Miles Wood (both of which are likely 1 year rentals with the option to maybe sign long-term). NJD would have to assuredly add in this scenario. They would have to include Holtz in any Meier package or else Grier should rightfully decline.
I don’t really believe Severson = Weegar. Weegar is a better player easily, also Severson is UFA this year so would be gone when we trade Meier.

To me a fair deal would be something like Holtz and a first+ Something else assuming Meier signs long term.
 

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Sounds like terrible value for a player of Meiers caliber. Look at what Tkachuk just got.

Yea they got vets which we won’t want, but those vets can be dealt at the deadline for huge value. To me they essentially got like 3 firsts, a good prospect++

Severson = Weegar, 1st round picks net, so the difference is a Coe caliber prospect (Schwindt) and a 100+ point producing Huberdeau compared to just Miles Wood (both of which are likely 1 year rentals with the option to maybe sign long-term). NJD would have to assuredly add in this scenario. They would have to include Holtz in any Meier package or else Grier should rightfully decline.
Tkachuk is a better player than Meier with a far less onerous contract situation. Also NJ's 2023 1st is the most valuable asset in that package, significantly more valuable than Florida's 2025 1st.

If Meier is willing to immediately ink a long term extension with the Devils at less than a $9M AAV then I agree they should be adding Holtz or someone similar. I just can't see Meier doing that given the leverage he has with a $10M QO unless he really wants to play for the Devils for some reason.

We need to get ahead of the Meier situation now. If he puts up a 60ish point season he turns into a legitimate non-tender candidate with minimal trade value. I'd rather get 75 cents on the dollar now than lose him for nothing in a year.
 

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Tkachuk is a better player than Meier with a far less onerous contract situation. Also NJ's 2023 1st is the most valuable asset in that package, significantly more valuable than Florida's 2025 1st.

If Meier is willing to immediately ink a long term extension with the Devils at less than a $9M AAV then I agree they should be adding Holtz or someone similar. I just can't see Meier doing that given the leverage he has with a $10M QO unless he really wants to play for the Devils for some reason.

We need to get ahead of the Meier situation now. If he puts up a 60ish point season he turns into a legitimate non-tender candidate with minimal trade value. I'd rather get 75 cents on the dollar now than lose him for nothing in a year.
I honestly expect him to get money in the Kevin Fiala range and certainly no more than the 9 million Kaprizov is earning.
 
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Severson = Weegar, 1st round picks net, so the difference is a Coe caliber prospect (Schwindt) and a 100+ point producing Huberdeau compared to just Miles Wood (both of which are likely 1 year rentals with the option to maybe sign long-term). NJD would have to assuredly add in this scenario. They would have to include Holtz in any Meier package or else Grier should rightfully decline.
Weegar is way better than Severson.
 

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I wonder if we could swap Meier for Bratt next year.
If both are looking like they will take the one year QO, then we could see if both would sign long term if they swap.
Honestly I think Meir could land both Kakko and Lafreniere from the rangers obviously a draft pick would probably need to be involved and one of Griers many 3rd and 4th liners signed could go the other way
 

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Honestly I think Meir could land both Kakko and Lafreniere from the rangers obviously a draft pick would probably need to be involved and one of Griers many 3rd and 4th liners signed could go the other way
Yeah...that's never going to happen even with whatever draft pick you're adding to try to balance it out. That's worse than when posters thought the Sharks could trade Clowe for Couturier.
 

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Yeah...that's never going to happen even with whatever draft pick you're adding to try to balance it out. That's worse than when posters thought the Sharks could trade Clowe for Couturier.
Rangers are in win now mode, Mier has game breaking ability neither Kakko or Lafreniere have that. You’re trading an established upper tier player for 2 players with “potential” that’s it, it’s very possible
 

Pavelski2112

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Vegas has turned into a toxic brand. They aren't ever going to land free agents and no key player is going to waive their NTC to join that team in the short to mid term.

Glorious.
In my entire time watching hockey, I don't think anything has been as validating as seeing the entire league turn on the Knights in a couple short years.
 

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It was kinda nice seeing the internet discourse realize that we were justified to complain about them from the start.
well everyone still hates the Sharks, they just hate VGK also... have yet to see anyone acknowledge the fact that we were right to call them assholes this entire time
 
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In my entire time watching hockey, I don't think anything has been as validating as seeing the entire league turn on the Knights in a couple short years.
What Pacioretty said isn't going to change anything. The bulk of the people in attendance at a Vegas game are not 1) hockey fans or 2) Vegas fans. They're just a bunch of drunks stumbling over from whatever casino and catching a show. Will never be accountability when you don't have a real fanbase.
 

Pavelski2112

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What Pacioretty said isn't going to change anything. The bulk of the people in attendance at a Vegas game are not 1) hockey fans or 2) Vegas fans. They're just a bunch of drunks stumbling over from whatever casino and catching a show. Will never be accountability when you don't have a real fanbase.
Oh I don't particularly know or care if anything changes, that's nothing I can change myself, but being able to say I told you so is very fun
 

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What Pacioretty said isn't going to change anything. The bulk of the people in attendance at a Vegas game are not 1) hockey fans or 2) Vegas fans. They're just a bunch of drunks stumbling over from whatever casino and catching a show. Will never be accountability when you don't have a real fanbase.
Like Hartford. Weren't they playing in some humongous mall?
 

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What Pacioretty said isn't going to change anything. The bulk of the people in attendance at a Vegas game are not 1) hockey fans or 2) Vegas fans. They're just a bunch of drunks stumbling over from whatever casino and catching a show. Will never be accountability when you don't have a real fanbase.
I hate the Knights but that's not really true.
 

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Anybody else getting tired of analytic player card stuff? I like looking at them as quick references but I feel like a lot of people get too caught up in the percentiles.
Yes. It’s a quick and easy way for laziness to appear. Players are good or bad based on those cards alone in some people’s eyes despite the fact that sometimes they include very limited sample sizes, have wildly different outcomes between models, and have extreme outliers all over the place. The WAR model is in its infancy and frankly people using it as gospel to argue over the internet are a little off their rocker.
 

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I hate the Knights but that's not really true.
Heard countless tales from various people on podcasts that talk about how basically the entirety of the lower bowl portion of that stadium is filled with out of towners in for business or leisure that are just showing up to their corporate purchased seats like its another show on the strip. There are true fans, but they make up probably a smaller percentage of the arena capacity than any other team in the NHL and are basically all relegated to the mezzanine level.
 

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Heard countless tales from various people on podcasts that talk about how basically the entirety of the lower bowl portion of that stadium is filled with out of towners in for business or leisure that are just showing up to their corporate purchased seats like its another show on the strip. There are true fans, but they make up probably a smaller percentage of the arena capacity than any other team in the NHL and are basically all relegated to the mezzanine level.
Toronto is pretty similar in terms of their lower bowl being more corporate in nature.
 
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TheBeard

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Heard countless tales from various people on podcasts that talk about how basically the entirety of the lower bowl portion of that stadium is filled with out of towners in for business or leisure that are just showing up to their corporate purchased seats like its another show on the strip. There are true fans, but they make up probably a smaller percentage of the arena capacity than any other team in the NHL and are basically all relegated to the mezzanine level.
As someone who lives in Vegas and goes to about half the games, it’s not true. If anything, the Vegas fans are obnoxious about how much they “love” hockey and the Knights. Will it continue when they start losing? Probably not, but for now if there’s one thing I can say it’s that the city has a lot of love for that team.
 

Hodge

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Pacioretty was captain of the Montreal Canadiens so has zero perspective for how hockey is covered and perceived in 95% of markets. Outside of 2-3 cities nobody in the US cares about the NHL enough to hold players accountable. It’s not just a Vegas thing.
 
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