Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part 1

[spintops]

Is there a chance we really carry all 3 goaltenders into the season?

 

[one2gamble]

Is there a chance we really carry all 3 goaltenders into the season?

its the sharks

 

[Barrie22]

Realistically, how many teams need a 1b/or even a backup goalie still?

 

[Herschel]

Realistically, how many teams need a 1b/or even a backup goalie still?

I don't think there is a market for Hill so if that doesn't change coming out of preseason do to an injury or something, I expect Grier to send him to the Cuda.

If he gets claimed fine, it wasn't Grier who "wasted" the 2nd.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I don't think there is a market for Hill so if that doesn't change coming out of preseason do to an injury or something, I expect Grier to send him to the Cuda.

If he gets claimed fine, it wasn't Grier who "wasted" the 2nd.

That pick ended up becoming Julian Lutz so it will be interesting to see how he turns out

 

[Gecklund]

In terms of actual roster, which teams in the west look worse than us? Arizona and Chicago for sure. In our own division, there's maybe Anaheim and Seattle? They have some young high-end pieces that could make them better though.

Seattle will be good this year. Their team looks a lot better with Burakovsky, Wright, and Bjorkstrand. I doubt their goalies will have as bad of a season. But yeah I think you hit it. Arizona, Chicago and MTL are the ones that look a lot worse and then you got teams like Vancouver, Anaheim, Isles, Columbus, Washington, Dallas, Philly where they could easily be around the same level. If I had to guess we will be in the top 10 though which honestly in this draft we should get a good player. Mostly forwards in the top part of this upcoming draft but there are a couple defensemen that look promising.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

In terms of actual roster, which teams in the west look worse than us? Arizona and Chicago for sure. In our own division, there's maybe Anaheim and Seattle? They have some young high-end pieces that could make them better though.

I only see Arizona and Chicago as worse than us. I think Anaheim will get better just on development and Seattle made some solid additions that should put them above us. I still don't think we're a bottom five team yet but things could break that way with injuries and the like. Things could also break a similar way to last year where we get just good enough goaltending to get us some loser points that take us out of the bottom and depending on how Grier views the young talent like Eklund and Bordeleau, them being infused into the lineup could add more points to the total compared to not doing that. Grier at least has the option to keep Eklund and Bordeleau and Merkley in the AHL.

 

[STL Shark]

Seattle will be good this year. Their team looks a lot better with Burakovsky, Wright, and Bjorkstrand. I doubt their goalies will have as bad of a season. But yeah I think you hit it. Arizona, Chicago and MTL are the ones that look a lot worse and then you got teams like Vancouver, Anaheim, Isles, Columbus, Washington, Dallas, Philly where they could easily be around the same level. If I had to guess we will be in the top 10 though which honestly in this draft we should get a good player. Mostly forwards in the top part of this upcoming draft but there are a couple defensemen that look promising.

Depends how much is Grubauer is good versus the loaded Avs/Caps teams made anyone look good. Driedger was a one hit wonder that is injured and their third goalie is Martin Jones. Their wingers are good, but the centers are VERY young and will need some time in the NHL. The defense is mediocre. Basically going to run 3 bottom pairings and hope it works out (not that ours is much/any better).

 

[Gecklund]

Depends how much is Grubauer is good versus the loaded Avs/Caps teams made anyone look good. Driedger was a one hit wonder that is injured and their third goalie is Martin Jones. Their wingers are good, but the centers are VERY young and will need some time in the NHL. The defense is mediocre. Basically going to run 3 bottom pairings and hope it works out (not that ours is much/any better).

I’d argue their next goalie up is Daccord but you could be right. Grubauer should bounce back because despite Avs/Caps being good I don’t know if I’d say loaded ESPECIALLY defensively. Beniers has 9 points in 10 games. Obviously small sample size but he should be fine especially with an upgrade at wing. They still have McCann, Gourde, Wennberg if Wright doesn’t stick. Their wings are really good though. Their defense isn’t anywhere near as bad as you make it seem. Dunn, Oleksiak, and Soucy are all at least 2nd pair and then I do think they end up with Klingberg. They also have a couple good defensive prospects that could make the leap although they shouldn’t bank on that at all. I genuinely think Seattle will have a similar season to LA last year. I think we are looking at them in a WC spot this year. Bjorkstrand, Burakovsky, Eberle, Schwartz, Beniers, McCann is one of the better top 6s in the Conference.

It also all fully depends on Grubauer and their defensive system though.

 

[sharski]

Is there a chance we really carry all 3 goaltenders into the season?

The starting goalie competition will be something like

 

[hohosaregood]

I’d argue their next goalie up is Daccord but you could be right. Grubauer should bounce back because despite Avs/Caps being good I don’t know if I’d say loaded ESPECIALLY defensively. Beniers has 9 points in 10 games. Obviously small sample size but he should be fine especially with an upgrade at wing. They still have McCann, Gourde, Wennberg if Wright doesn’t stick. Their wings are really good though. Their defense isn’t anywhere near as bad as you make it seem. Dunn, Oleksiak, and Soucy are all at least 2nd pair and then I do think they end up with Klingberg. They also have a couple good defensive prospects that could make the leap although they shouldn’t bank on that at all. I genuinely think Seattle will have a similar season to LA last year. I think we are looking at them in a WC spot this year. Bjorkstrand, Burakovsky, Eberle, Schwartz, Beniers, McCann is one of the better top 6s in the Conference.

It also all fully depends on Grubauer and their defensive system though.

I'm gonna be curious about how Beniers does next year. His metrics weren't that good but he is a zone transition god and I'm curious to see how they balance out

 

[SjMilhouse]

That pick ended up becoming Julian Lutz so it will be interesting to see how he turns out

I don't understand this logic, there is no guarantee that's who the Sharks take if they keep that pick. I see the logic with the Karlsson trade but only because it turned out to be a top 3 pick so anyone in the top 5 is fair to judge as part of the deal but even then who knows with the Sharks if they even go with a consensus top 5 there

 

[Herschel]

Bjorkstrand, Burakovsky, Eberle, Schwartz, Beniers, McCann is one of the better top 6s in the Conference.

Huh? Who do you see at the first-line centre out of that group?
Based entirely on their C depth I'd rank their top 6 in the bottom half of the Pacific

 

[Gecklund]

Huh? Who do you see at the first-line centre out of that group?
Based entirely on their C depth I'd rank their top 6 in the bottom half of the Pacific

Beniers. Hes actually really good and I think he ends up having a Zegras level rookie season. Think he hits 60 points. McCann scored 50 points and should be better in a bit of a lesser role. Bjorkstrand and Burakovsky are solid top line players. Schwartz and Eberle didn’t have their best seasons but think they bounce back a bit with a bit of a better team around them. That’s also leaving out Gourde, Wright, Donskoi, Tanev, and Wennberg. I actually really like their forwards.

 

[Herschel]

Beniers. Hes actually really good and I think he ends up having a Zegras level rookie season. Think he hits 60 points. McCann scored 50 points and should be better in a bit of a lesser role. Bjorkstrand and Burakovsky are solid top line players. Schwartz and Eberle didn’t have their best seasons but think they bounce back a bit with a bit of a better team around them. That’s also leaving out Gourde, Wright, Donskoi, Tanev, and Wennberg. I actually really like their forwards.

Not saying they don't have a solid group of forwards only that at the moment Seattle's top-end forwards are in the significant step below the top forwards on basically every team in the Pacific. I'd even say that a solid argument that either Meier or Hertl would be their top forward.

They also clearly lack a #1C and it is a stretch to count on a rookie to hold two the #2 spot. I also really like Beniers but Zegras' rookie season was after splitting time the previous season between the NHL (24) and AHL (17), Beniers has never played anything close to an 82 games season.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Seattle isn’t going anywhere with tank commander Martin Jones at the helm.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Seattle isn’t going anywhere with tank commander Martin Jones at the helm.

I like this jones character, I wonder if we should trade for another goalie ?

 

[JumboJoe23]

They're not tanking is the thing. They're fielding a competitive team (in how they play moreso than place in the standings) with an identity. Nobody (Grier included) has any inkling that this is some great team, but it's the best team in the identity he wants to play with that was able to be mustered with limited cap resources and lack of success (along with no coach). Nobody at the top of the UFA lists was beating down the door to come play for San Jose.

you're right thats the worst part haha. We're stuck in limbo

 

[hohosaregood]

you're right thats the worst part haha. We're stuck in limbo

we're still a one line team with a bad defense and unproven/inconsistent goalies. that's a description of a bottom 10 team at best.


Like seriously, look at the lineup if it was more talent graded. Just a terrible lineup

Hertl-Couture-Meier
Barabanov-Kunin-Labanc
Lindblom-Sturm-Gregor
Lorentz-Bonino-Nieto
Viel/Gadjovich/Reedy

Ferraro-Karlsson
Nutivaara-Benning
Megna-Merkley
Simek-Vlasic

 

[Reggae Shark]

 

[hohosaregood]

there's like a 95% chance this is a bot account

 

[Reggae Shark]

there's like a 95% chance this is a bot account

Yeah pretty suspicious. I didn't check the account. Sorry about that.

 

[STL Shark]

you're right thats the worst part haha. We're stuck in limbo

We were always going to be stuck in limbo unless all of the vets asked out of their deals. The moment that Hertl re-signed, the path became clear that a full-blown Arizona rebuild was not happening. And even then, I think once we get to year 3 or year 4 under Grier that you might be able to get by with that assuming some of the guys from the past few drafts hit. Will be an abundance of cap space to fill out the roster with guys to insulate in the top 9 and top 4 on defense via UFA or trade. Just have to sort of survive until then and hope that maybe one of these bottom 6 guys that were signed take the steps to solidify a top 9 role for the future or play well enough to fetch a nice return in a TDL move in a year or two.

 

[themelkman]

Sharks were interested in Virtanen for years. This is clearly fake and I dont think they would with the situation, but its not that far fetched based on the past.

 

[Levie]

Seattle isn’t going anywhere with tank commander Martin Jones at the helm.

This is why I think Seattle had the best offseason. Pick up Wright, continue tanking for Bedard. They are going to be scary good in a few years.