GDT: 2022-23 season game 4 LA Kings vs Detroit Red Wings @4:00pm 10/17/22

[Sol]

My entire logic when I say fire TM is because the dude obviously has no idea what he’s doing. Still talking about finding an identity when he’s had the job for 3 years and the team has talent undeniably, yet they are extremely unimpressive in all aspects. After the loss against the kraken he talked about finding an identity that was just such a massive red flag that this guy is still having the same issue he’s had his whole career which is being the leader of this crew. It’s not this season alone, it’s also telling to hear it in the beginning of the new season.

 

[King'sPawn]

I don't think so, something isn't there. He seems to be a step behind and not as good at retrieval as he was a few weeks ago. I just think he's dealing with something.

He's still valuable as he's usually not moving around a whole lot when he scores and there are others I would absolutely sit before him, but he just doesn't look like Arty to me right now.

For the time he's had versus others, I'm more concerned about how Kempe and Arvidsson have looked. Despite the points, Kempe's been playing some uninspired hockey, while others have done more work.

Kopitar's looked very bad relative to his usual performance.

Again, only Vilardi's line has looked respectable across all three games. But as I mentioned - vets get "time to figure it out." Younger players get benched.

But the ardent defenders (not saying you specifically) will also unironically say that people need to be patient with the prospects while saying out of the other side of their mouth "Kaliyev hasn't done jack in 3 games."

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Again, only Vilardi's line has looked respectable across all three games. But as I mentioned - vets get "time to figure it out." Younger players get benched.

That's kinda how life works, dude...in many facets.

 

[Kingspiracy]

The main thing Id like to iron out here is what's a better nickname.. panda or koala? To me Koala because it has the greyish stand straight up hair thing going

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Does he have chlamydia?

 

[Sol]

There you go @Schrute farms beets , it's Sol's comedy hour -- enjoy the show.

You don’t think it’s strange the teams not good at anything and has no identity three years under his helm? There’s not a semblance of an identity. My whole thing has been a culmination of his tenure and it’s not specific to this year. But undoubtedly raises flags when he says they’re trying to find an identity.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

You don’t think it’s strange the teams not good at anything and has no identity three years under his helm? There’s not a semblance of an identity. My whole thing has been a culmination of his tenure and it’s not specific to this year. But undoubtedly raises flags when he says they’re trying to find an identity.

I hated hearing that this team needs to find their identity -- didn't understand that all, this team should know what the identity is.

BUT, we are three games in coming off a 99-point season. TM has earned the benefit of the doubt in my mind....LONG way to go.

 

[YP44]

I agree with Bernstien on the kings of the podcast when he points out how crazy last season was in the fact LA got to 99 points with such a bad PP, save percentage and other stats. Lots of areas to improve IMO, and many of which are impact by coaches decisions.

I agree 99 points should buy some rope, but the road to 99 points was very odd last year. I would be happy with a more consistent team, that has improvement in these areas, even if it means <99 points and maybe out of the playoffs.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I agree with Bernstien on the kings of the podcast when he points out how crazy last season was in the fact LA got to 99 points with such a bad PP, save percentage and other stats. Lots of areas to improve IMO, and many of which are impact by coaches decisions.

I agree 99 points should buy some rope, but the road to 99 points was very odd last year. I would be happy with a more consistent team, that has improvement in these areas, even if it means <99 points and maybe out of the playoffs.

There's system and identity - usually closely related... the system last year was based on a strong forecheck / puck possession - not on a strong rush or strong PP - and the total goals reflect this.. As we have more speed and skill this year, the system should evolve to take advantage of it...One thing last year that was much better than previous years, was the breakout.. There was a very good short passes to get out of the zone - a bucket brigade breakout mentality.. The Kings previously were notorious for getting stuck in their own zone with lots of dump outs and less breakout passes connecting. Im not sure what stats can track that.. but to me it was obvious.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

This is the problem with a coach like TM, he is hampering the development of our younger players for 4th line recyclables. Blake is also to blame because he clearly gives TM the green light for lineup moves like this.

Hampering the development....of younger players.....(while icing one of the youngest teams in the league)

Tell me, who has he hampered, who is WORSE THIS year.....than last.....(3 games into this season)

 

[Schrute farms]

There you go @Schrute farms beets , it's Sol's comedy hour -- enjoy the show.

Trolling 101:
"make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them"

 

[DAkings20]

Hampering the development....of younger players.....(while icing one of the youngest teams in the league)

Tell me, who has he hampered, who is WORSE THIS year.....than last.....(3 games into this season)

You kind of just proved my point. Three games into the season and already potentially scratching Kaliyev.

I mean we can play semantics on it being early in the year and Arty not being great so far. But that's exactly what development is imo, let him work his way out of it instead of getting scratched for another guy who we already have six clones of in the lineup.

 

[Sol]

I hated hearing that this team needs to find their identity -- didn't understand that all, this team should know what the identity is.

BUT, we are three games in coming off a 99-point season. TM has earned the benefit of the doubt in my mind....LONG way to go

What is their identity ?im gonna be respectful. Do you know what the identity of this team is structured around? I legit have no idea.

 

[MBH]

I'm pestering Chicago fans now since they have AA and Mrazek.
But I'm still checking out those Kings highlights.
Love what Vilardi and Byfield are doing.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You kind of just proved my point. Three games into the season and already potentially scratching Kaliyev.

I mean we can play semantics on it being early in the year and Arty not being great so far. But that's exactly what development is imo, let him work his way out of it instead of getting scratched for another guy who we already have six clones of in the lineup.

So he's hampered his development......by MAYBE sitting him for a reason you know NOTHING about?

I mean...f*** ok.....I guess that's true of 32 other coaches when they sit a player...right?

What is their identity ?im gonna be respectful. Do you know what the identity of this team is structured around? I legit have no idea.

Speed, and a strong forecheck,

Any other hockey 101 questions?

 

[Fishhead]

For the time he's had versus others, I'm more concerned about how Kempe and Arvidsson have looked. Despite the points, Kempe's been playing some uninspired hockey, while others have done more work.

Kopitar's looked very bad relative to his usual performance.

Again, only Vilardi's line has looked respectable across all three games. But as I mentioned - vets get "time to figure it out." Younger players get benched.

But the ardent defenders (not saying you specifically) will also unironically say that people need to be patient with the prospects while saying out of the other side of their mouth "Kaliyev hasn't done jack in 3 games."

Agree on all counts. Im probably most concerned about RV, but its probably that he came back too early. With the depth this team has, there is no reason that anyone needs to play at less than 100%. Moore also is a concern, he has all kinds of reasons to be motivated this year and he hasn’t done much yet.

There are a lot of guys who would be justified sitting right now, but yeah the young ones are always going to get the least rope.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I have noticed the exact opposite - that he was a step quicker and winning a larger percentage of his battles.

I am not going to be disappointed in him sitting a game early unless its paired with an inaccurate description from the coach. He could be banged up, missed a beat in practice, who knows.

But since this management group has mangled up this rebuild, yeah, I get the concern.

Yes exactly.. normally id cut some slack having coached youth hockey, lots of things happen on the team during practice and outside the rink that effect who you play. Like a kid telling a coach to f off, or him slacking on drills etc. But as we saw last year, he kept the minutes down for Kaliyev and Byfield.. didnt give them lots of looks on top 6, PP or OT.. so based on the past, this is most likely a continuation of that.

 

[kings11]

You don’t have to be inflammatory. I was asking you for your opinion. That didn’t warrant this response.

To be honest Sol, they have what they need within the system but it’s not deployable yet.

Meaning, we have Helenius, Ward, Lee, Fagemo, Turcotte, Spence and Jack..
the first 3 bring much needed toughness, not fighters but they’re really physical. They’re about a year away which the way things are going will coincide with the ascension of the Byfield line and the replacement of the Lizotte line.

As for Identity, the Kings want to be fast, skilled and offensively potent like every team but still be tough to play against.
Todd is great at building up teams but he’s not the guy that coaches a team capable of winning a SC. He’s our new Terry Murray!

 

[Bandit]

Imagine trying to be the ultimate gatekeeper on an internet message board and having zero awareness complaining about others “polluting the board”.

 

[BringTheReign]

You don’t think it’s strange the teams not good at anything and has no identity three years under his helm? There’s not a semblance of an identity. My whole thing has been a culmination of his tenure and it’s not specific to this year. But undoubtedly raises flags when he says they’re trying to find an identity.

The team absolutely had an identity last year. You don't overcome that many injuries to key players on the backend and still make the playoffs without one. We were a strong defensive team able to counterattack effectively off the rush with speed. I think the year-over-year change in rush offense is massive, and speaks to a team that plays fast and breaks the puck out efficiently. I'd also argue it was a continuation from the 7-game winning streak we ended the '20-'21 season on. We didn't have elite finishing talent (or goal-scoring from the back end), and Blake went out and got Fiala while we hope development from Kaliyev, Byfield, and Vilardi helps as well.

I get that we've looked shaky early in this season, but it's early. We started last year 1-5 in our first 6 (or something similar). Let's settle down.

 

[Bandit]

So this is where Maatta ended up eh? And we get to see Kubalik The Great? Amazing.

 

[YP44]

The main thing Id like to iron out here is what's a better nickname.. panda or koala? To me Koala because it has the greyish stand straight up hair thing going

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When I first responded the pictures did not load, now that I see them it further cements Koala for me. Between the big ears and the goatee just has to be.
I say this not in a negative way, people love Kuala bears.

 

[Nasti]

The real question is will we go with the hot goalie, fresh off a 1 win streak?

For Detroit’s sake, they better not score 6, or Petersen will refuse to allow another goal.

 

[Sol]

To be honest Sol, they have what they need within the system but it’s not deployable yet.

Meaning, we have Helenius, Ward, Lee, Fagemo, Turcotte, Spence and Jack..
the first 3 bring much needed toughness, not fighters but they’re really physical. They’re about a year away which the way things are going will coincide with the ascension of the Byfield line and the replacement of the Lizotte line.

As for Identity, the Kings want to be fast, skilled and offensively potent like every team but still be tough to play against.
Todd is great at building up teams but he’s not the guy that coaches a team capable of winning a SC. He’s our new Terry Murray!

But this is my issue. I’m not saying you’re wrong at all but I can’t help to wonder how they don’t have anything established yet. It’s kinda crazy to me that the Kings are still soul searching for an area to make their game. Terry Murray and Lombardi made it clear they were going for a defensive oriented team with forechecking and went about their way to establish that immediately. Even then let’s say the Kings want to be a high octane team why does Todd appear not to know direction?

The team absolutely had an identity last year. You don't overcome that many injuries to key players on the backend and still make the playoffs without one. We were a strong defensive team able to counterattack effectively off the rush with speed. I think the year-over-year change in rush offense is massive, and speaks to a team that plays fast and breaks the puck out efficiently. I'd also argue it was a continuation from the 7-game winning streak we ended the '20-'21 season on. We didn't have elite finishing talent (or goal-scoring from the back end), and Blake went out and got Fiala while we hope development from Kaliyev, Byfield, and Vilardi helps as well.

I get that we've looked shaky early in this season, but it's early. We started last year 1-5 in our first 6 (or something similar). Let's settle down.

I don’t know about the counter attack element of the Kings nor really the defensive element. I don’t think resiliency is an identity. I classify an identity to be a specific game style that gets adjusted opponent to opponent where the team utilizes it’s greatest strength as their driving force. I don’t disagree really with anything you said, I just don’t completely buy the fact that that is an identity itself. I truly believe if the Kings had an idea of where they were going we would have heard
It from Todd and Blake. But again a week ago they stated that they’re soul searching. That’s not comforting at all to hear the captain of the ship having a broken compass.

 

[psych3man]

That's kinda how life works, dude...in many facets.

Really?

Stutzle (-27, 79 gp), Zegras (-21, 75 gp), Drysdale (-26, 81 gp), Raymond (-32, 82 gp)

Don't even want to look up their avg PP time or overall avg TOI ..... will make me sick

Kings one of the few franchises that would not give 55 or 34 heavy PP time and top 6 minutes early in their careers and let them grow no matter what .... see above

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Really?

Stutzle (-27, 79 gp), Zegras (-21, 75 gp), Drysdale (-26, 81 gp), Raymond (-32, 82 gp)

Don't even want to look up their avg PP time or overall avg TOI ..... will make me sick

Kings one of the few franchises that would not give 55 or 34 heavy PP time and top 6 minutes early in their careers and let them grow no matter what .... see above

Name the major difference between those 3 teams....and the LA Kings....ready....go.