2022/23 Roster Thread XVII: The Days are Getting Longer

[flyersnorth]

Charlie brought up a pretty depressing observation on BSH radio this week.

Remember that defense of the future we we’re all excited about?

Morin - retired, barely even played.
Hagg - traded along with a 1st and 2nd to get AND re-sign Risto
Ghost - gifted to the Coyotes along with a 2nd and a 7th.
Provorov - on his way out, has been good but clearly not a #1.
Sanheim - has been good and probably the only one sans drama.

 

[BiggE]

Picking a bust 12th overall is going to be a hoot.

That is assuming Cuck doesn’t trade the pick at the deadline for a rental.

 

[deadhead]

You forget Cam Ward? Intriguing omission to leave the Conn Smythe winner out.

Staal, Ward, and Williams carried that team. Staal and Ward especially. Cut your zero-context cherrypicking. Lavi's rep coming into Philly was that he would be a great development coach because of the way he got the most out of youth in Carolina.

Making a list of players and their ages is garbage that does nothing to account for their usage and impact. But you know this. For some reason you've decided to be deliberately misleading about Lavi, probably because you determined it might work as an example to defend Fletcher always going against what you say would be best. Whatever your motivation is, it's nakedly untrue.

Staal was the #2 pick in the draft, 4 years after his draft season. Had a full NHL season under his belt
Williams was 24, in his 5th NHL season, some "kid."
Ward was the backup goalie who got hot in the playoffs - you gonna credit that to Lavi, you have to credit Hart's PO run to AV.

That's the sum total of young players Lavi "coached up."
Talk about "cherry picking."

 

[Beef Invictus]

Staal was the #2 pick in the draft, 4 years after his draft season. Had a full NHL season under his belt
Williams was 24, in his 5th NHL season, some "kid."
Ward was the backup goalie who got hot in the playoffs - you gonna credit that to Lavi, you have to credit Hart's PO run to AV.

That's the sum total of young players Lavi "coached up."
Talk about "cherry picking."

Time to move the goalposts, I see.

Suddenly raw age is irrelevant. Suddenly we are redefining what youth is. You yourself have always labeled "under 25" as youth. Suddenly 24 is veteran. Laughable.

This is transparent. Why are you so attached to pushing this false narrative? How do you believe it defends management? Just be direct.

Still ignoring Ward, too. Haven't figured out how to distort that yet I guess.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Hextall picks.

Any opinion on how he has done in Pittsburgh so far?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Charlie brought up a pretty depressing observation on BSH radio this week.

Remember that defense of the future we we’re all excited about?

Morin - retired, barely even played.
Hagg - traded along with a 1st and 2nd to get AND re-sign Risto
Ghost - gifted to the Coyotes along with a 2nd and a 7th.
Provorov - on his way out, has been good but clearly not a #1.
Sanheim - has been good and probably the only one sans drama.

Forgot Myers.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Was having this debate, where would we be with a healthy Coots and Atkinson?

I think maybe +4? maybe +6.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Time to move the goalposts, I see.

Suddenly raw age is irrelevant. Suddenly we are redefining what youth is. You yourself have always labeled "under 25" as youth. Suddenly 24 is veteran. Laughable.

This is transparent. Why are you so attached to pushing this false narrative? How do you believe it defends management? Just be direct.

Still ignoring Ward, too. Haven't figured out how to distort that yet I guess.

Ah, I think we have another situation of “my definition is different than yours so I can’t be wrong.”

 

[TB87]

Is this the dumbest platitude in sports?

“Play the right way”

I don’t think there’s another sports “nothing-ism” that grinds my gears more.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Is this the dumbest platitude in sports?

“Play the right way”
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I don’t think there’s another sports “nothing-ism” that grinds my gears more.

what the OP should have said is "this Org will be stuck in groundhog day forever with this old school thinking that gets them never closer to a cup and at the same time moves the window down the road by continualy picking in no mans land at the draft..."

 

[deadhead]

There is nothing dumb about "play the right way."

Just look at young players making egregious errors on defense or failing to backcheck or half assing block shots attempt, screening the goalie without blocking the shot - all of which we saw the last couple weeks playing bad teams.

Fundamentals are fundamental - but a lot of bad teams fail to teach fundamentals, which is one reason they're bad.

 

[FlyerNutter]

what the OP should have said is "this Org will be stuck in groundhog day forever with this old school thinking that gets them never closer to a cup and at the same time moves the window down the road by continualy picking in no mans land at the draft..."

It’s really become a wonderful care study on men who refuse to adapt to the way the world around them changes.

 

[Magua]

There is actually something very dumb about "playing the right way." It's that there is no single "right way," and every coach has their own interpretation of what that means. We were supposed to worship at the altar of the 9th winningest coach all-time, no? Yet, the next coach comes in and rips apart this team at a fundamental level. Kevin Hayes apparently "played the right way" for Vigneault.

If the "right way" just comes down to effort, then hire a really good motivational speaker. Having said that, I'm not disagreeing Tortorella can be a good motivator. But it doesn't speak to hockey tactics.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Would love to hear everyone interpretation on "playing the right way".

 

[Striiker]

The fans who are convinced effort has been the problem until Torts came and fixed it are some of the most clueless fans in existence.

Talk about being gullible.

 

[FlyerNutter]

The men who want to keep preaching about playing be right way, are the same men that only f*** in missionary.

 

[wasup]

Would love to hear everyone interpretation on "playing the right way".

Forecheck , backcheck , pick up your pay cheque , bar ( to spend the pay cheque )

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

There is actually something very dumb about "playing the right way." It's that there is no single "right way," and every coach has their own interpretation of what that means. We were supposed to worship at the altar of the 9th winningest coach all-time, no? Yet, the next coach comes in and rips apart this team at a fundamental level. Kevin Hayes apparently "played the right way" for Vigneault.

If the "right way" just comes down to effort, then hire a really good motivational speaker. Having said that, I'm not disagreeing Tortorella can be a good motivator. But it doesn't speak to hockey tactics.

You better hustle on the backcheck kid, or you'll be living in a van, down by the river!

Funny enough, I don't think I've ever heard that McDavid "plays the right way", but if I were a coach, I'd want my guys to play like that. But I'm not a coach.

 

[renberg]

I don’t know if there is a single “play the right way” but there is a “play the wrong way” and we’ve seen that with AV, Therrien and Yeo.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

"Play the right way" is just code for loving grinders

 

[Beef Invictus]

Would love to hear everyone interpretation on "playing the right way".

Playing the right way is playing whichever way gets the most out of an individual. "The right way to play" can vary from player to player. It's a complicated thing. Basically, let them play to their strengths.

Any coach with a single idea of what the Right Way is and who is inflexible is likely getting the least out of most of their players.

 

[kudymen]

Any coach with a single idea of what the Right Way is and who is inflexible is likely getting the least out of most of their players.

*and benching them for immediate development of the right way.

 

[BiggE]

Is this the dumbest platitude in sports?

“Play the right way”
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I don’t think there’s another sports “nothing-ism” that grinds my gears more.

It’s right up there with “he’s a heart and soul player” and “he gives 110%”.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

The fans who are convinced effort has been the problem until Torts came and fixed it are some of the most clueless fans in existence.

Talk about being gullible.

The effort and compete level is much better under Torts than prior years.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The effort and compete level is much better under Torts than prior years.

Prove it.