2022/23 Roster Thread XVII: The Days are Getting Longer

[DancingPanther]

Avs style?

Being bad, then not bad quickly because of lots of top 60 picks and yoots.

There's no such thing as a core for this team anymore. Any potential competitive window is too far out to encapsulate the primes of anybody on the current roster. Therefore, new core time. Give me all the picks and prospects

 

[BiggE]

The Flyers have pieces that can be a part of a successful contending team, but other than TK, none of them belong on a top line or top D pair. If it was up to me, I’d do the following between now and the start of next season.
Trade JVR with half retained for the best offer out there
Trade Laughton if there’s a good enough offer on the table
Trade Hayes with max retention to anyone that will take him
Move Braun for anything
Move Seeler for anything
Move Brown for anything
If by some miracle Atkinson is medically cleared by June, buy him out
Trade TDA with retention for the best offer you get

I’m holding on to Provorov for now since you likely aren’t getting fair value for him

Next years lineup (assumes Couturier is still alive and they pick in the 10-12 range at the 23 draft)

Farabee-Couts-TK
Lyksell-Frost-Tippet
Gaudreau-Cates-Foerster
Nic D-Lacyzinski-Allison
Spare: vet journeyman on 1yr deal
Likely call ups: Brink, Desnoyers

Provorov-York
Sanheim-Fisto
Zamula-Attard
Spare: Ginning
First call up: an AHL vet or perhaps Andrae

Hart
Ersson

The above will feature some kids that can get their feet wet and good enough goaltending to keep you in games while opening up cap space and getting you another high pick.

 

[flyersnorth]

ASF was saying on the podcast that even with the Flyers playing better hockey, he just does not see Fletch being a buyer at the deadline.

They will either sell (significant pieces) or do nothing (dump minor pieces).

My money is on doing nothing.

 

[BiggE]

ASF was saying on the podcast that even with the Flyers playing better hockey, he just does not see Fletch being a buyer at the deadline.

They will either sell (significant pieces) or do nothing (dump minor pieces).

My money is on doing nothing.

If Cuck is in charge, doing nothing might be their best bet.

 

[deadhead]

They'll sell JVR, the fact that Torts won't even ice him 3x3 tells you they see his limitations and want to move on.
Hayes will go this summer.

This team needs to keep adding speed if they're going to play Torts' up tempo style.
While Couts won't help there, he can CYA for Farabee and TK on the 1st line, he's like a 3rd D-man in your D-zone.
Atkinson will add speed over JVR and Hayes next year, Gauthier if he comes out.

 

[renberg]

I’m not reading too much into much of what Torts does with players and ice times so far this season. He’s messed with who can play with whom to see what future roles could be for them. A few of them have been surprisingly good. In some cases it’s as if he’s played some guys just to prove to TPTB who can’t play here.
It’s all about next season with Torts. Hopefully half of this present roster won’t be here.

 

[deadhead]

Looking at ASF's management time line:

• 2016 – Ed Snider dies. Scott is also given the titles of Flyers Chairman and Governor.
• 2017 – Lombardi is fired by the Kings. He is soon hired as a Senior Advisor by the Flyers.
• 2018 – Chuck Fletcher is fired in Minnesota. Hextall is fired by the Flyers. Faced with his first time having to hire a GM, Scott, who is an admitted hockey novice, leans on his president (Holmgren) and senior advisors (Clarke and Lombardi) to choose his successor. Their choice? Chuck Fletcher. Burke retires from the Flames to go into broadcasting in Canada.
• 2019 – Holmgren steps down as President of the Flyers, but remains on as a Senior Advisor. Fletcher is given the title of President of Hockey Operations to go along with his title as GM. Knowing he is going to have to be more involved in managerial decisions for the hockey operations front office, Scott gives Barber a new title – Senior Advisor – one which includes the responsibility of getting Scott more up to speed with the day-to-day operation of a hockey team.
• 2020 – Ray Shero is fired by the Devils.
• 2021 – Not their first choice for the role of GM, the Penguins hire Hextall, with the caveat that they also hire a President of Hockey Operations to oversee Hextall. They hire Burke. Shero is hired as a Senior Advisor to the GM of the Minnesota Wild.
• 2022 – Although he is not Chuck Fletcher’s first choice, the Flyers hire Tortorella as their new coach on the recommendation of senior advisors Clarke, Holmgren, Lombardi and Barber, all of whom have Scott’s ear.

Now how could Scott, three years into the job, still be such a novice? I mean isn't part of being an executive doing the homework needed to understand the company you're running? It's not like there's something called the "internet", chock full of videos, articles explaining schemes, statistical sites whose cost is pocket change for a senior executive's expense account. Do your homework, then ask tough questions of your employees.

Yet four years later, if ASF is to be believed, he's still leaning on the four amigos for advice.
Seems he still doesn't have his own network outside the organization he can tap.

That's the heart of the problem - the guy in charge is lazy, delegates authority without oversight, and takes no responsibility for the mess he created. The real question isn't why hasn't Fletcher been fired, it's why after 7 years with complete control - why hasn't Scott been fired as head of the Flyers.

The fish rots from the head.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We know. We've been saying this for years.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Looking at ASF's management time line:

• 2016 – Ed Snider dies. Scott is also given the titles of Flyers Chairman and Governor.
• 2017 – Lombardi is fired by the Kings. He is soon hired as a Senior Advisor by the Flyers.
• 2018 – Chuck Fletcher is fired in Minnesota. Hextall is fired by the Flyers. Faced with his first time having to hire a GM, Scott, who is an admitted hockey novice, leans on his president (Holmgren) and senior advisors (Clarke and Lombardi) to choose his successor. Their choice? Chuck Fletcher. Burke retires from the Flames to go into broadcasting in Canada.
• 2019 – Holmgren steps down as President of the Flyers, but remains on as a Senior Advisor. Fletcher is given the title of President of Hockey Operations to go along with his title as GM. Knowing he is going to have to be more involved in managerial decisions for the hockey operations front office, Scott gives Barber a new title – Senior Advisor – one which includes the responsibility of getting Scott more up to speed with the day-to-day operation of a hockey team.
• 2020 – Ray Shero is fired by the Devils.
• 2021 – Not their first choice for the role of GM, the Penguins hire Hextall, with the caveat that they also hire a President of Hockey Operations to oversee Hextall. They hire Burke. Shero is hired as a Senior Advisor to the GM of the Minnesota Wild.
• 2022 – Although he is not Chuck Fletcher’s first choice, the Flyers hire Tortorella as their new coach on the recommendation of senior advisors Clarke, Holmgren, Lombardi and Barber, all of whom have Scott’s ear.

Now how could Scott, three years into the job, still be such a novice? I mean isn't part of being an executive doing the homework needed to understand the company you're running? It's not like there's something called the "internet", chock full of videos, articles explaining schemes, statistical sites whose cost is pocket change for a senior executive's expense account. Do your homework, then ask tough questions of your employees.

Yet four years later, if ASF is to be believed, he's still leaning on the four amigos for advice.
Seems he still doesn't have his own network outside the organization he can tap.

That's the heart of the problem - the guy in charge is lazy, delegates authority without oversight, and takes no responsibility for the mess he created. The real question isn't why hasn't Fletcher been fired, it's why after 7 years with complete control - why hasn't Scott been fired as head of the Flyers.

The fish rots from the head.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Checking out potential UFA’s.

Are we comfortable saying it’s written in stone that Dumba is a Flyer come next season?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Checking out potential UFA’s.

Are we comfortable saying it’s written in stone that Dumba is a Flyer come next season?

I'd be shocked if Fletcher doesn't lazily heave a bag of money at him.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Checking out potential UFA’s.

Are we comfortable saying it’s written in stone that Dumba is a Flyer come next season?

I'm fine if they bring him in if he wears #55 again.

 

[renberg]

Who would you rather have, TDA or Dumba? I lean towards Dumba.

 

[BiggE]

I'd be shocked if Fletcher doesn't lazily heave a bag of money at him.

That is his usual m.o.

 

[Magua]

Checking out potential UFA’s.

Are we comfortable saying it’s written in stone that Dumba is a Flyer come next season?

Always been overrated. Best of all, he’s been a healthy scratch this year.

 

[Magua]

I always find it funny that, each season, giving Sanheim a useful partner is priority negative 8. And this is your longest term defender. Like they're happy to give him arguably the worst performing defender in the league, who clashes in style and saps his skill-set, to keep Provorov (the guy they are on the outs with) and the 3rd pair "happy"? Now, if they are gambling on pumping up Provorov's stats, that's one thing. But you can't convince me this management team has the savvy, evaluative ability, and vision to try to inflate the value of their "#1 defenseman." Like everything else, including Ristolainen, they're probably using it as confirmation bias.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I always find it funny that, each season, giving Sanheim a useful partner is priority negative 8. And this is your longest term defender. Like they're happy to give him arguably the worst performing defender in the league, who clashes in style and saps his skill-set, to keep Provorov (the guy they are on the outs with) and the 3rd pair "happy"? Now, if they are gambling on pumping up Provorov's stats, that's one thing. But you can't convince me this management team has the savvy, evaluative ability, and vision to try to inflate the value of their "#1 defenseman." Like everything else, including Ristolainen, they're probably using it as confirmation bias.

I was told we'd get revolutionary decision making and relentlessly correct development and usage decisions once Tortorella was hired and took full control of all team decisions.

 

[Striiker]

to keep Provorov (the guy they are on the outs with) and the 3rd pair "happy"?

Is that at all surprising? Torts has repeatedly made it clear that he’s definitely Team Provy.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I always find it funny that, each season, giving Sanheim a useful partner is priority negative 8. And this is your longest term defender. Like they're happy to give him arguably the worst performing defender in the league, who clashes in style and saps his skill-set, to keep Provorov (the guy they are on the outs with) and the 3rd pair "happy"? Now, if they are gambling on pumping up Provorov's stats, that's one thing. But you can't convince me this management team has the savvy, evaluative ability, and vision to try to inflate the value of their "#1 defenseman." Like everything else, including Ristolainen, they're probably using it as confirmation bias.

I’m not even 100% convinced they even want to trade Provorov. I think it’s potentially more so Provorov not wanting to be here anymore driving that bus across the line.

I still think there’s some fight on their end to not give up on their preconceived notions of what Provorov should be. Then I think there’s a fear of moving him & see him play better in a better environment when they’re likely getting a future based trade package without a lot of insurance to be something pretty good.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m not even 100% convinced they even want to trade Provorov. I think it’s potentially more so Provorov not wanting to be here anymore driving that bus across the line.

I still think there’s some fight on their end to not give up on their preconceived notions of what Provorov should be. Then I think there’s a fear of moving him & see him play better in a better environment when they’re likely getting a future based trade package without a lot of insurance to be something pretty good.

I'm positive they're considering being buyers right now. These are delusional people.

 

[deadhead]

I always find it funny that, each season, giving Sanheim a useful partner is priority negative 8. And this is your longest term defender. Like they're happy to give him arguably the worst performing defender in the league, who clashes in style and saps his skill-set, to keep Provorov (the guy they are on the outs with) and the 3rd pair "happy"? Now, if they are gambling on pumping up Provorov's stats, that's one thing. But you can't convince me this management team has the savvy, evaluative ability, and vision to try to inflate the value of their "#1 defenseman." Like everything else, including Ristolainen, they're probably using it as confirmation bias.

Funny thing, Sanheim has actually said good things about Risto as a partner, and I think he'd be happy to have him back.
And that may be the plan, once they're comfortable that Risto has settled in as a defensive defenseman, b/c he does complement Sanheim, he provides the "muscle" in the D-zone where Sanheim still struggles, and Sanheim can carry the puck out.

Sanheim - TDA simply isn't a good pairing.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Funny thing, Sanheim has actually said good things about Risto as a partner, and I think he'd be happy to have him back.
And that may be the plan, once they're comfortable that Risto has settled in as a defensive defenseman, b/c he does complement Sanheim, he provides the "muscle" in the D-zone where Sanheim still struggles, and Sanheim can carry the puck out.

Sanheim - TDA simply isn't a good pairing.

Do you expect Sanheim to do anything but say good things about any of his partners?

 

[BernieParent]

I’m not even 100% convinced they even want to trade Provorov. I think it’s potentially more so Provorov not wanting to be here anymore driving that bus across the line.

I still think there’s some fight on their end to not give up on their preconceived notions of what Provorov should be. Then I think there’s a fear of moving him & see him play better in a better environment when they’re likely getting a future based trade package without a lot of insurance to be something pretty good.

The third leg of that decisional stool (in all senses of the word) may very well be a groundswell of anti-Provorov sentiment from his teammates. And we all know how much of a priority dressing-room culture is to the Flyers FO.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Happy wallpaper Wednesday

 

[Hollywood Cannon]