2022/23 Roster Thread XVII: The Days are Getting Longer

[Beef Invictus]

Frost is playing better because he was peeled away from the landfill. Tortorella being an obnoxious dick isn't the cause. Playmakers who aren't generational need players to play with.

 

[Striiker]

Frost is playing better because he was peeled away from the landfill. Tortorella being an obnoxious dick isn't the cause. Playmakers who aren't generational need players to play with.

Torts is the one directly responsible for Frosts lack of points to start the year.

He doesn’t deserve praise, he deserves criticism for his obvious mistake that hurt the team.

 

[deadhead]

Yes, Torts was responsible for JVR and Allison being injured. And Hayes struggling at center. And Frost playing bad defense (you don't need good wings to back check).

 

[Magua]

Oh, Frost is bad at defense now? That's why he wasn't given an offensive role early on? Sounds like putting a player in a position of strength.

Forget that doesn't make any sense. I'm sure @VladDrag can provide some paywall numbers, but there is nothing to indicate Frost is bad defensively. In fact, you've have an easier time arguing he leans on the GOOD side. He's not big or terribly feisty, so the narratives and stereotypes must run wild to minimize him by people with ulterior motives.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Frost was not bad defensively. We are at the "just make shit up" stage.

 

[deadhead]

Did I say he was bad defensively NOW? Starting the season, he struggled adjusting like a lot of Flyers.

Over time he improved at both ends of the ice, spent less time on the perimeter, forechecked more aggressively and back checked more consistently. All these things don't require great wings, they require effort and focus.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Did I say he was bad defensively NOW? Starting the season, he struggled adjusting like a lot of Flyers.

Over time he improved at both ends of the ice, spent less time on the perimeter, forechecked more aggressively and back checked more consistently. All these things don't require great wings, they require effort and focus.

He wasn't bad then defensively either.

All that stuff is in fact assisted by wingers who aren't boiled garbage.

 

[Magua]

Was Frost bad defensively at the same time that DeAngelo was way better defensively than his reputation?

 

[VladDrag]

Oh, Frost is bad at defense now? That's why he wasn't given an offensive role early on? Sounds like putting a player in a position of strength.

Forget that doesn't make any sense. I'm sure @VladDrag can provide some paywall numbers, but there is nothing to indicate Frost is bad defensively. In fact, you've have an easier time arguing he leans on the GOOD side. He's not big or terribly feisty, so the narratives and stereotypes must run wild to minimize him by people with ulterior motives.

Haven’t read the thread but Frost is in the 63 percentile rank for total defense.

It’s funny he was actually better in the beginning of the season, when he wasn’t given offensive opportunities. He ranked between the 75-85 percentile during that time.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Haven’t read the thread but Frost is in the 63 percentile rank for total defense.

It’s funny he was actually better in the beginning of the season, when he wasn’t given offensive opportunities. He ranked between the 75-85 percentile during that time.

 

[Magua]

Haven’t read the thread but Frost is in the 63 percentile rank for total defense.

It’s funny he was actually better in the beginning of the season, when he wasn’t given offensive opportunities. He ranked between the 75-85 percentile during that time.

Oh, was he better in the early season?

Well, actually, those first 20 games don’t count! Check. And. Mate.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yep.

 

[VladDrag]

The reason that Frost has started producing was because he was given time with offensive players, and realized he could actually play at this level. In other words, his confidence started to grow.

Now, you give credit to Torts for giving him the opportunity, or you could also say that they had no one else to replace him, particularly once Sedlak left. It’s probably a bit of both.

 

[Striiker]

Giving Torts credit is like giving a thief credit because he stopped stealing.

That’s not how this is supposed to work. You’re supposed to be praised for doing good, not because you stopped doing bad.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

It will be because he was playing against "lesser competition" and never you mind his lesser teammates. Calling it now

 

[VladDrag]

Giving Torts credit is like giving a thief credit because he stopped stealing.

That’s not how this is supposed to work. You’re supposed to be praised for doing good, not because you stopped doing bad.

He’s certainly not maximizing Frost, that’s for sure. He should be playing with TK at a minimum. Then you get the best out of both Frost and TK, and by doing that you make the team better.

 

[Tripod]

I see Dead disappeared after getting wrecked

 

[Striiker]

He’s certainly not maximizing Frost, that’s for sure. He should be playing with TK at a minimum. Then you get the best out of both Frost and TK, and by doing that you make the team better.

Luckily for our draft and anti-Fletcher dreams, he isn’t smart enough to do that.

 

[deadhead]

The reason he was given more time was he was asked to do certain things, and he did them.
Sedlak bounced between 3C and 4C, he didn't have much impact on Frost.

Frost seems to play well off Tippett, Tippett carries Frost as much as the converse.
Whether Frost and TK would work together as well or better?
I'd like to see them get some PK time, Frost/Tippett, Laughton/TK, Cates/Farabee as your pairs.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The reason he was given more time was he was asked to do certain things, and he did them.
Sedlak bounced between 3C and 4C, he didn't have much impact on Frost.

He took better usage from Frost. That's a lot of impact. You assured us that would never, ever, ever happen. Ever. And then it did.

Just as you assured us that having bad players on the 4th line wouldn't block it off completely to youth, but now for some reason you argue the reason they can't call guys up there is they'd play with bad players. Which is interesting because it does indicate you understand the importance of usage and linemates, and you just selectively "forget" that when it's convenient for defending management.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It’s a joke to profess that Frost was the same player early this season as he is now, & that the only difference is linemates.

It couldn’t be more obvious that many people here don’t watch much.

 

[deadhead]

Sedlak didn't take anything from Frost.
Sedlak didn't play with JVR, TK, or Tippett, Top partners were Deslauriers and MacEwen, some with Farabee, Hayes, and Laughton.

 

[freakydallas13]

I guess you can't be caught cherry picking if you never acknowledge you say anything wrong.

Frost was poor defensively at the start of the season. Lmao

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ah so we are just at the "make openly false claims" stage from the usual suspects. Just gonna ignore that "usage" encompasses more than just linemates. Especially on a team with an unhealthy and wrong obsession with roles.


No, anyone watching without a heavy bias towards justifying management decisions could watch Frost and see there was a lot there not being utilized, and wasn't surprised that when given a chance it worked out. We went through this with TK, with the same insistence he changed when he hadn't. Some never learn.

 

[deadhead]

Of course TK changed, he was much better his 4th season onward. First three seasons he was carried by G and Couts.

Now I don't think he changed that much from last season, where he had bad puck luck, other than being utilized on the PK and given an implicit leadership role. Now getting him to spend more time in the "dirty areas" may be one reason his Sh% improved.