2022/23 Roster Thread XVI: Suite 16, Room for Improvement

[deadhead]

some good flyers stuff in the 32 thoughts podcast from friedman today.

flyers have seen some things attendence, revenue etc... that things are not resonating with the fanbase and that always make your decision for you

Hopefully the PTB will realize that trying to market the same old same old, patch your way to a 1st rd loss in the playoffs then collapse again won't fly with the fan base and finally accept the need to embrace a rebuild.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Nothing this team has done, from coaching hires, etc says they are rebuilding.

Bullshit. They have been pushed into using the phrase.

Think most of the kids would have had a sniff of the same usage without the injuries?

This “rebuild” will be over the second they get the 7th pick, and some cap space.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Risto is not a disaster, since they're rebuilding, and will be shedding salary, his cap hit will have little impact on future moves.
It's a bad move, but there are worse moves that have been made.

The Flyers can be turned around quickly by the right GM, they have a decent core of talent, they need to add a couple top players, Gauthier may be one, they should get a top ten, maybe top five pick this summer, with luck, maybe even a 1st for JVR. Clear out Hayes this summer, Risto next summer (only 3 years left on his deal), only Couts and Atkinson will be left (and Atkinson gone the following summer. So a lot of salary and age will be gone by 2025-26.

Provorov and Laughton are tradeable assets, TDA will either step up or be gone in another year. Deslauriers will be buried or shipped out.

The only long term deals are Couts and Sanheim. After this season:
Risto (4), Hayes (3), Laughton (3), Atkinson (2), Provorov (2), TDA (1).

So because you say they are rebuilding it isnt a disaster. Well that is total BS. Imagine were they didn't have his contract and were able to facilitate a deal to take on a cap dump while acquiring much needed assets. They are not fn rebuilding. Good lord even Stevie Wonder can see that. They will be shedding his cap hit is hilarious.

How many "right" Gm's are currently available? Do you trust Scott to make the right choice? Their core is in the bottom half of the league. Very easy to add a couple top players right? 1st fr JVR is beyond laughable. Clear out Hayes, easy peasy; yes he can be moved with 50% retained imo. Risto next summer will be moved sure a non issue.

So you think the Flyers will retain money on both Hayes and Risto for multiple years left on their deal? Still will have to replace them so are they really saving that much money at the end of the day?

Or Tony D will be given a long term deal? That is def 100% possible. ND still takes up a contract spot and cap space.

Seriously what color is the sky in your world?

 

[Danko]

Active Roster:

Hayes at $7,142,857 til 2026
Rasmus at $5,100,000 til 2027
Sanheim at 6,250,000 thru 2030/2031

IR:
Coots at $7,750,000 thru 2030

LTIR: Ryan Ellis at 6,250,000 til 2027.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Risto is not a disaster, since they're rebuilding, and will be shedding salary, his cap hit will have little impact on future moves.
It's a bad move, but there are worse moves that have been made.

The Flyers can be turned around quickly by the right GM, they have a decent core of talent, they need to add a couple top players, Gauthier may be one, they should get a top ten, maybe top five pick this summer, with luck, maybe even a 1st for JVR. Clear out Hayes this summer, Risto next summer (only 3 years left on his deal), only Couts and Atkinson will be left (and Atkinson gone the following summer. So a lot of salary and age will be gone by 2025-26.

Provorov and Laughton are tradeable assets, TDA will either step up or be gone in another year. Deslauriers will be buried or shipped out.

The only long term deals are Couts and Sanheim. After this season:
Risto (4), Hayes (3), Laughton (3), Atkinson (2), Provorov (2), TDA (1).

They aren't rebuilding.

Risto is a disaster. Everything about him, his acquisition, and his retention is a disaster. Stop defending everything the team does.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Even forgetting the superior youth, we were told that if someone doesn’t perform Torts would bench them and hold them accountable.

So that means at least one of two things are unarguably true:

Either

1) Torts is a hypocrite and a liar

Or

2) Torts thinks Risto is good

Spoiler: Answer?

Both are true.

Or their is no one to replace them with at this time.

Hopefully the PTB will realize that trying to market the same old same old, patch your way to a 1st rd loss in the playoffs then collapse again won't fly with the fan base and finally accept the need to embrace a rebuild.

They do not need to embrace a rebuild. YOu said they are rebuilding.....

 

[Danko]

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[Hextallent63]

Any opinion if the Flyers made a trade for Stolarz?

for what? to play down with the phantoms?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Move the Flyers to Seoul too. Comcast Spectacor owns the Fusion for reference.

 

[Striiker]

Imagine buying into the Overwatch league LOOOOOOOL

 

[Hextallent63]

Move the Flyers to Seoul too. Comcast Spectacor owns the Fusion for reference.

what, what? comcast moving to s. korea?

nevermind i got it. my dumb ass had to read it a few times

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Imagine buying into the Overwatch league LOOOOOOOL

Your likely next head of the Flyers, that's who.

Tucker Roberts | Comcast Spectacor

Tucker Roberts is Chief Innovation Officer and President of Gaming & Emerging Technology for Comcast Spectacor. In his role, Roberts focuses on driving ...

www.comcastspectacor.com

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

some good flyers stuff in the 32 thoughts podcast from friedman today.

flyers have seen some things attendence, revenue etc... that things are not resonating with the fanbase and that always make your decision for you

He did say however given the history of the Flyers not really making serious changes to their way of operating that still does leave him somewhat skeptical until they actually do it.

 

[Striiker]

Your likely next head of the Flyers, that's who.

Tucker Roberts | Comcast Spectacor

Tucker Roberts is Chief Innovation Officer and President of Gaming & Emerging Technology for Comcast Spectacor. In his role, Roberts focuses on driving ...

www.comcastspectacor.com

Ummmmmmm

Tucker is responsible for driving the sustained success of Comcast Spectacor’s esports business, as well as the Fusion’s day-to-day operations in Los Angeles

In addition, Tucker has guided the creation of Fusion Arena in the Philadelphia Sports Complex, which will open its doors in 2021 and stand as the largest new construction, purpose-built esports arena in the Western Hemisphere.

So he’s done what, exactly?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Ummmmmmm

So he’s done what, exactly?

Be this guy's son.

 

[Striiker]

Be this guy's son.

WHO COULD HAVE EVER GUESSED

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Ummmmmmm

So he’s done what, exactly?

Prior to joining Comcast Spectacor, Tucker acquired several years of experience working in competitive gaming with industry leaders Activision Blizzard and Electronic Arts. Tucker first developed his interest in the rapidly growing space during a summer internship while studying at The Wharton School.

His qualifications include having Boomer tastes while still in college. Not cool enough for the cool people. Not weird enough for the nerds. The worst of both worlds.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

for what? to play down with the phantoms?

yeah. He has shown over the last few years he isnt an NHL caliber goalie.

 

[deadhead]

It’s not that any one of these positions is crazy. They just can’t co-exist. Ok, the constant assurances they’ll bury a 4 year UFA contract is nuts, but I’ve given up on ever winning that one.

They can be turned around quickly, but they’re also locked in for at least 2 years beyond this one. One of those thoughts has to go. We’re not even talking about positive value contracts in at least half of those cases.

5+ in cap space would fetch a 1st these days and you’ve written Risto off as not impacting future moves while simultaneously hoping JVR returns one as reason for hope. It’s a 3rd major axis on which the Risto contract is a disaster. Hell, the contract is so long and they’re so thoroughly screwed that you might have been able to sell that cap space twice by the time they need it.

My point is they're not in the kind of hole where you need 5-7 years to dig out.
They're in a situation that a smart GM could completely turn things around in three years.

Risto isn't an issue unless you're planning to sign a big name UFA the next couple years, which would be stupid.
JVR is gone at the TDL, Hayes this summer, even if you eat some on Hayes, that's $10M off the books.
Either TDA learns to play defense or that's $5M more gone in two summers.
Provorov and his $6.75M is like on the trading block, Laughton and his $3M may be offered.

The key is committing to youth, focus on garnering assets and using that new found cap room to sweeten trades and garner more assets, not to buy "win now" FAs. By the summer of 2024, eating some of Risto's deal to move him without adding assets could be easily done.

The problem is whether this FO (or the next one) is willing to commit to such a strategy, not the difficulty of implementing the strategy.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Cap space is an asset so retaining a single dollar is adding an asset to get rid of Risto.

 

[Beef Invictus]

My point is they're not in the kind of hole where you need 5-7 years to dig out.
They're in a situation that a smart GM could completely turn things around in three years.

Risto isn't an issue unless you're planning to sign a big name UFA the next couple years, which would be stupid.
JVR is gone at the TDL, Hayes this summer, even if you eat some on Hayes, that's $10M off the books.
Either TDA learns to play defense or that's $5M more gone in two summers.
Provorov and his $6.75M is like on the trading block, Laughton and his $3M may be offered.

The key is committing to youth, focus on garnering assets and using that new found cap room to sweeten trades and garner more assets, not to buy "win now" FAs. By the summer of 2024, eating some of Risto's deal to move him without adding assets could be easily done.

The problem is whether this FO (or the next one) is willing to commit to such a strategy, not the difficulty of implementing the strategy.

They're absolutely in a long-term hole. Absolutely.

That hole is only going to get deeper as they shuffle Briere into the GM chair and everything continues as it always has. This was a quick turnaround situation when Fletcher was hired. Not the case anymore.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

My point is they're not in the kind of hole where you need 5-7 years to dig out.
They're in a situation that a smart GM could completely turn things around in three years.

Risto isn't an issue unless you're planning to sign a big name UFA the next couple years, which would be stupid.
JVR is gone at the TDL, Hayes this summer, even if you eat some on Hayes, that's $10M off the books.
Either TDA learns to play defense or that's $5M more gone in two summers.
Provorov and his $6.75M is like on the trading block, Laughton and his $3M may be offered.

The key is committing to youth, focus on garnering assets and using that new found cap room to sweeten trades and garner more assets, not to buy "win now" FAs. By the summer of 2024, eating some of Risto's deal to move him without adding assets could be easily done.

The problem is whether this FO (or the next one) is willing to commit to such a strategy, not the difficulty of implementing the strategy.

By turn things around do you mean headed in the right direction or on the road to contending? The former, ok. The latter I’m not so sure. Adding top flight 21yo talent isn’t really a thing you can do with any regularity. So you probably need to hit some home runs in the draft and give them time to develop in the NHL.

Let’s say lightning strikes and they get Bedard. That’s still not enough and it’s the single best possible player outcome right now. Hell, I don’t think Bedard + ~60 pt Gauthier makes the latter true in 3 years. They need both the stars and a critical mass of positive incremental gains. Both of those will take time. Briere has his work cut out for him.

 

[Magua]

Does anyone even know the extent of the hole that the Flyers are in? The certainty to say it's not a "5-7 year thing" is beyond me. Let's cut the crap: this is already year 3 of the hole. And they didn't even know they were in a hole until last month, and even that's debatable, so there have been zero steps to stop the digging. Hell, they just bought expensive new shovels! Between their mediocre prospect pool, fruitless long-term commitments, dismal current and future pick quantity, and sparse NHL roster, the first thing to do for any smart GM is to buy a comfortable sleeping bag for this hole.

There is a possible path where 3-4 years from now, the Flyers are back on the path to contending. Not there, maybe not even in the same area code as there -- but the path. That requires a helluva lot to go right in short order. It's perhaps more possible this is year 3 of a nearly decade long thing.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Listened to ASF on Myrterus’ or whatever’s podcast. He still thinks Hayes is gone one or way another before next year whether it’s a trade or buyout. He said Tortorella doesn’t want Hayes on his team & Hayes doesn’t want to play for Tortorella. He made it seem like Tortorella thinks Hayes is a bad influence on the younger players on this team & the “culture” he’s trying to establish going forward. So he doesn’t really a path for Hayes back next even if it’s a buyout.

 

[Magua]

Let’s say lightning strikes and they get Bedard. That’s still not enough and it’s the single best possible player outcome right now. Hell, I don’t think Bedard + ~60 pt Gauthier makes the latter true in 3 years.

60 point?! Be like Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet and put on that Hopium mask.

Charlie O'Connor: “A one-two punch down the middle of Bedard and physical specimen (and 2022 No. 5 pick) Cutter Gauthier could — in a best-case scenario — turn into the East’s version of McDavid and Draisaitl.“