2022/23 Roster Thread XV: Where Optional Skates are Mandatory

[ajgoal]

I am not sure the above tweet is true, but if it is, he ended up in a position he clearly didn’t want to be in. I really think his team not having a chance at all, knowing he’s stuck here and is not getting out probably significantly influenced his decision.

Charlie had said that the Flyers tried to sign Sedlak as well. He obviously chose Colorado instead. Whether he "refused" Philly or simply signed with the Cup champs because they're the Cup champs is up for debate.

 

[deadhead]

I wonder if sedlak would go back if he was on a contender like the avs, bruins, knights, devils, or Dallas….easy to turn away from this garbage

I doubt it, because in a couple months he would have been traded to one of those teams, that was probably Brauns' reason for resigning with the Flyers, if you want a shot at a Cup, you actually are better off being traded at the TDL to a team with a shot at the playoffs than hope the team you sign with in October both makes the playoffs and keeps you in the lineup.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I doubt it, because in a couple months he would have been traded to one of those teams, that was probably Brauns' reason for resigning with the Flyers, if you want a shot at a Cup, you actually are better off being traded at the TDL to a team with a shot at the playoffs than hope the team you sign with in October both makes the playoffs and keeps you in the lineup.

Where do you come up with this shit?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I am not sure the above tweet is true, but if it is, he ended up in a position he clearly didn’t want to be in. I really think his team not having a chance at all, knowing he’s stuck here and is not getting out probably significantly influenced his decision.

I doubt this guy would know but it’s not some insane speculation that Sedlak would have rather played home over playing for one of the worst teams in the league. He’s been playing over there the past three years prior to this & signed with the defending Stanley Cup champions. Going to a bottom 5-10 team probably wasn’t in his plans & the juice just probably isn’t worth the squeeze to him given all those other factors.

Where do you come up with this shit?

Why sign with Colorado when you can go to Philadelphia & hope you land on a contender later in the season at the deadline instead?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I doubt this guy would know but it’s not some insane speculation that Sedlak would have rather played home over playing for one of the worst teams in the league. He’s been playing over there the past three years prior to this & signed with the defending Stanley Cup champions. Going to a bottom 5-10 team probably wasn’t in his plans & the juice just probably isn’t worth the squeeze to him given all those other factors.

... and being coached by a complete asshole at the same time. Plus having Hayes slobbering all over your good dress shirts every time you get to the arena. Who needs that shit.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I can’t imagine why a guy wouldn’t want to go home to his family/fiancé instead of being screamed at by a loudmouth development wizard to “try harder” all year for a bottom feeder.

He actually became one of my fav guys with this move. Willingly said f*** it, and walked to greener pastures.

Hart, and Frost would take a bullet for this team like the idiots they are.

 

[ajgoal]

I doubt this guy would know but it’s not some insane speculation that Sedlak would have rather played home over playing for one of the worst teams in the league. He’s been playing over there the past three years prior to this & signed with the defending Stanley Cup champions. Going to a bottom 5-10 team probably wasn’t in his plans & the juice just probably isn’t worth the squeeze to him given all those other factors.

Yeah, it's absolutely plausible that he threw up his hands and said, "Eff it, I'm out," after playing here for a bit. He did say that he wasn't as happy playing in the NHL as he thought he would be, it's not unthinkable that that's a reference to the continual losing, despite him otherwise saying he liked playing in Philly.

I just wonder if "refused," is accurate in the context of the original signing. Did the Flyers call his agent and he said no? Or did he just take the Avs offer instead? There's a range of potential scenarios. And frankly, I wouldn't begrudge him either end of the spectrum.

 

[flyerslducks]

Why sign with Colorado when you can go to Philadelphia & hope you land on a contender later in the season at the deadline instead?

Lmao why uproot your life (and family) to have the possibility of being traded. I’m sure Braun was like "round two, let’s suck again so I can be traded to a contender". Don’t change dead

 

[deadhead]

Where do you come up with this shit?

It's common sense and observation.

Marginal veterans sign one year deals with teams that are unlikely to make the playoffs on a regular basis.

It provides a paycheck, a chance to get regular PT with less competition, and the opportunity to be traded at the TDL to a team with a shot at going all the way.

For the losing team, it provides a potential trade asset, veteran mentors, and the option of marinating prospects in the AHL instead of rushing them to the NHL and hurting their development (being overwhelmed in the NHL is not conducive to development). Since the veteran will be moved at the TDL, it opens a 20 game window at the end of the season to audition your prospects.

Top veterans don't, because they would be foregoing substantial guaranteed money by signing one year deals - G could have returned on a one year deal if a Cup was really his goal, with a no trade clause to ensure he'd only be traded to a team with a real shot - but it would have required leaving $13.5M on the table and leaving his family for a couple months. So when a veteran signs a multi-year deal with a team unlikely to compete over say a 3 year contract, they're taking money (or family) over winning.

I can’t imagine why a guy wouldn’t want to go home to his family/fiancé instead of being screamed at by a loudmouth development wizard to “try harder” all year for a bottom feeder.

He actually became one of my fav guys with this move. Willingly said f*** it, and walked to greener pastures.

Hart, and Frost would take a bullet for this team like the idiots they are.

He played for Torts in CBJ for three years, I doubt Torts had anything to do with his decision to return home.

 

[DancingPanther]

Another tremendous talent evaluation and management of assets by Fletcher. He always gets his guy.

And by his guy, I mean a guy who is nothing except completed overmatched and outclassed by average NHL talent.

What mental gymnastics are being posted defending him for this? "Well it's no big deal, he was just a waiver claim anyway. No harm."

 

[Tripod]

So a guy who played under Torts for 3 year chose to not play under Torts as a UFA. Then when picked up, he played 1/3 of the season under Torts then had enough. Would rather leave the continent and money behind than continue under Torts and this shithole.

Sounds about right.

 

[deadhead]

So a guy who played under Torts for 3 year chose to not play under Torts as a UFA. Then when picked up, he played 1/3 of the season under Torts then had enough. Would rather leave the continent and money behind than continue under Torts and this shithole.

Sounds about right.

Let's see, I got offers from the SC champions and a team unlikely to make the playoffs.
Hmmm. Same money. Which one do I take?

People are reading way too much into this.

Outside of a small group of malcontents, most of Torts' players love him - go look at the comments by his CBJ players when he was hired by the Flyers. Heck, look at Hartnell, who had every reason to be pissed at Torts (reduced his PT and role).

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Lmao why uproot your life (and family) to have the possibility of being traded. I’m sure Braun was like "round two, let’s suck again so I can be traded to a contender". Don’t change dead

There’s no guarantee even right now that anybody would even want Braun. He’s gonna be 36 years old & looks it. He had no choice but to play for a bottom feeder if the wanted to play regularly this year.

If he does get traded it’s likely just a team looking for a warm body to sit in the press box which likely is garnering the Flyers a late round pick at best.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

In what world is it common sense to have a better chance of winning a Cup by signing with a bottom dweller and hope you get traded then just signing with a competent team?

 

[deadhead]

There’s no guarantee even right now that anybody would even want Braun. He’s gonna be 36 years old & looks it. He had no choice but to play for a bottom feeder if the wanted to play regularly this year.

If he does get traded it’s likely just a team looking for a warm body to sit in the press box which likely is garnering the Flyers a late round pick at best.

But I thought you want as many picks as possible.
Braun has been solid this season, asked to do a bit too much for a while, but a team acquiring him would be for a third pair role for 15 minutes a night or as veteran insurance against injury.
He garnered a 3rd last year, I think he might get a 4th to 5th this season.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Speaking of common sense, it would be common sense that a guy who came back to America to play with the defending Stanley Cup Champs doesn’t have the drive to play for this dog water franchise and get barked at to “try harder” by a dinosaur.

Now THAT is common sense.

 

[deadhead]

Speaking of common sense, it would be common sense that a guy who came back to America to play with the defending Stanley Cup Champs doesn’t have the drive to play for this dog water franchise and get barked at to “try harder” by a dinosaur.

Now THAT is common sense.

Walking away from a half million is hard to do when you've had a marginal career and don't have $5M in the bank.
I'm quite sure the decision was driven by personal reasons, not Torts or losing.
If he goes home, he's not going to get another NHL offer at 30 years old.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Walking away from a half million is hard to do when you've had a marginal career and don't have $5M in the bank.
I'm quite sure the decision was driven by personal reasons, not Torts or losing.
If he goes home, he's not going to get another NHL offer at 30 years old.

Yeah, he didn’t enjoy playing in the NHL as much as he thought he would.

Something that going from playing for a well run organization to a dumpster fire will do.

 

[FLYguy3911]

There’s no guarantee even right now that anybody would even want Braun. He’s gonna be 36 years old & looks it. He had no choice but to play for a bottom feeder if the wanted to play regularly this year.

If he does get traded it’s likely just a team looking for a warm body to sit in the press box which likely is garnering the Flyers a late round pick at best.

Braun is likely going to be in and out of the press box now that DeAngelo is back. They are probably going to ride with York for the time being and Seeler is a regular staple now. It's between Braun and Risto...

 

[FlyerNutter]

Walking away from a half million is hard to do when you've had a marginal career and don't have $5M in the bank.
I'm quite sure the decision was driven by personal reasons, not Torts or losing.
If he goes home, he's not going to get another NHL offer at 30 years old.

Can I ask something?

Why the ardent defense of really anything to do with the team? It's a pattern. Honest question, because it really has a vibe of just seeking attention. If I'm wrong I'd legit be intrigued to know.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Can I ask something?

Why the ardent defense of really anything to do with the team? It's a pattern. Honest question, because it really has a vibe of just seeking attention. If I'm wrong I'd legit be intrigued to know.

It’s because “he’s seen worse.”

 

[bennysflyers16]

Arizona tier franchise

Wrong.Arizona has golf, we are below

DH , Corina Kompf and Sky Bri.

The 3 absolute best in the business.

 

[flyerslducks]

There’s no guarantee even right now that anybody would even want Braun. He’s gonna be 36 years old & looks it. He had no choice but to play for a bottom feeder if the wanted to play regularly this year.

If he does get traded it’s likely just a team looking for a warm body to sit in the press box which likely is garnering the Flyers a late round pick at best.

Ya no way we get a 3rd again. There’s a chance he might not even be traded, there are other options out there. Jvr is our best bet for a nice pick

 

[FlyerNutter]

Wrong.Arizona has golf, we are below

DH , Corina Kompf and Sky Bri.

The 3 absolute best in the business.

Lot of younger chicks getting into golf these days.

 

[deadhead]

Can I ask something?

Why the ardent defense of really anything to do with the team? It's a pattern. Honest question, because it really has a vibe of just seeking attention. If I'm wrong I'd legit be intrigued to know.

More a reaction to knee jerk criticism of everything. I mean the assumption that Sedlak is leaving b/c of Torts (who he played for three years) or losing (half the league plays on losing teams and don't take off half-way through the season) reflects blind hatred, not reasoned thinking.

I was against the Risto trade and extension as much as anyone - but that horse is dead and skinned, and the carcass boiled.
Didn't think the Ghost move was good, but still don't think of it as a big deal, still think he's a 3rd pair, PP specialist. And you're not extending him at 30. So only the pick matters.

The other moves people get excited about? Ho hum. Which is why I don't understand the big deal.

Voracek for Atkinson, damaged goods for damaged goods, same money.
Patrick and Myers for Ellis, bad luck but the Flyers lose only some offseason flexibility which they won't need (i.e. they have no business signing big money FAs)
TDA? A gamble they may lose, but we'll see, it's not even half-way through the season.
NAK or MacEwen? Who cares?
Deslauriers, overpay which I said so, but not a move that will tie Briere's hands (easier to bury than Weise)

So I don't think Fletcher did a good job, but he didn't dig a deep hole for his successor, they're out (2) 2nd rd picks, have an extra 1st rd pick and a couple middle round picks the next two years. By 2025 (do you think they'll be competitive before then?) they should have worked their way out of most the veteran contracts. So nothing that can't be fixed if they take a long-run approach.

The real key is the FO committing to a rebuild and allowing the next GM to do whatever is needed to further the process.
That matters far more than minor moves.