2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

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Magua

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The joy it brings me to see, after all the talk about compete, grit, playing the right way, defense, etc, the flyers as one of the closest teams to "go down easy"


The Flyers’ largest analytics department in the NHL showed that to the front office and they all high-fived when they saw how well they’re doing in “Endless Pain.”
 

deadhead

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Hayes is becoming JVR. PPG is pretty good, and 17 ES points in 25 games is a 50 point pace, which is 1st line production.
Like JVR, he needs to be sheltered on defense.
But I could see a playoff contender being interested in him, might have to eat a smaller contract coming back.
 

deadhead

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JVR isn't detrimental to the players around him.
That's because they shelter him.
2021-22: 8th in ES TOI
2020-21: 4th in ES TOI
2019-20: 7th in ES TOI
He hasn't played 14+ minute at 5x5 since 2016-17.

Which is what they should do with Hayes, put him on the wing, keep him away from bad matchups, and limit his defensive responsibilities.

Which is what a lot of teams do with veteran scorers.

IT'S LITTLE RICHARD'S BIRTHDAY. No one listened to me. Go to your rooms. No dinner.
Who cares? He's not part of the holy quartet, Ellis McDaniel, Chuck Berry, Willie Dixon and Buddy Holly.

(Yes, I left out Elvis, he didn't write the songs that launched a thousand garage bands).
 

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That's because they shelter him.
2021-22: 8th in ES TOI
2020-21: 4th in ES TOI
2019-20: 7th in ES TOI
He hasn't played 14+ minute at 5x5 since 2016-17.

Which is what they should do with Hayes, put him on the wing, keep him away from bad matchups, and limit his defensive responsibilities.

Which is what a lot of teams do with veteran scorers.


Who cares? He's not part of the holy quartet, Ellis McDaniel, Chuck Berry, Willie Dixon and Buddy Holly.

(Yes, I left out Elvis, he didn't write the songs that launched a thousand garage bands).

Reducing Hayes minutes isn't going to change the fact that he destroys opportunities for teammates.
 

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2019 FLETCHER: I'm going to sign Hayes for $50 million specifically to play center because dammit we need a center, and I have no choice but to get us the most expensive center [Couturier and Giroux on roster].

2022 TORTORELLA: We have no proven NHL centers, but Hayes can't play center. I'm going to play a bottom 6 LW rookie at center over him. He can't anticipate play. Bad habits. We tried; he can't change.

2022 FLETCHER:

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deadhead

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Well, to be fair, those injuries took a tool on Hayes' skating, but it also shows the "Couts" effect - because Couts took all the tough matchups the 2C didn't wasn't as exposed defensively, whether it was Patrick, Filppula or Hayes.

Without Couts, every center on this team has been exposed.
 

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Hey, Sabres fan here. Just curious - how has Risto been looking lately? I always loved him and felt like he needed a Torts-like coach. Now that he has one, I’m curious if it’s helping at all.

He’s always been extremely athletic with a ton of potential…just never put it together consistently in Buffalo. Is he improving this season under torts?
 

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Hey, Sabres fan here. Just curious - how has Risto been looking lately? I always loved him and felt like he needed a Torts-like coach. Now that he has one, I’m curious if it’s helping at all.

He’s always been extremely athletic with a ton of potential…just never put it together consistently in Buffalo. Is he improving this season under torts?
want him back ?


plzz....
 

CanadianFlyer88

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Hey, Sabres fan here. Just curious - how has Risto been looking lately? I always loved him and felt like he needed a Torts-like coach. Now that he has one, I’m curious if it’s helping at all.

He’s always been extremely athletic with a ton of potential…just never put it together consistently in Buffalo. Is he improving this season under torts?
He is what he was when he left Buffalo: arguably the worst defenseman in the NHL. Just more expensive now.
 

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Hey, Sabres fan here. Just curious - how has Risto been looking lately? I always loved him and felt like he needed a Torts-like coach. Now that he has one, I’m curious if it’s helping at all.

He’s always been extremely athletic with a ton of potential…just never put it together consistently in Buffalo. Is he improving this season under torts?

Imagine going to the dump every other night to pump some garbage-water out of the ground and dump it in your eyes.


That's what it's like watching Ristolainen.
 
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