2022/23 Roster Thread XII: The Twelfth Night, a comedy play

[deadhead]

Ben chiarot net the habs a 23 pick smh, a prospect, and a 4th. You could argue that the habs got a better deal

Physical D-men garner a premium at the TDL, heck we got a 1st, 3rd and Gudas for Coburn.
Try again, I said an "equivalent" trade, that is for a rental wing (not center, they are valued higher).

 

[Tripod]

Maybe its because there are very few 34 year old forwards capable of being a PPG player, that are traded at a deadline.

 

[pit]

Fletcher could trade the 13th overall straight up for the 28th overall in the same draft and some would crow that Chuck got a first back in the deal.

Not all picks are created equal just based on round.

 

[Tripod]

Fletcher could trade the 13th overall straight up for the 28th overall in the same draft and some would crow that Chuck got a first back in the deal.

Not all picks are created equal just based on round.

Or year.

 

[deadhead]

TDL trades land you late first round picks, because the teams trading for players tend to be playoff teams that are hoping to get deep into the playoffs. That's why the idea you can quickly rebuild by trading players generally doesn't work out, you accumulate late 1st rd picks and "B" prospects, which can help build depth but rarely end up being cornerstone players.

Rangers are a good example:

Stepan and Raanta for 2017 1st (#7) (Andersson) and TDA.

Nash for Spooner, Lindgren (#45), Belesky, 2018 1st (#26). The 1st rd was packed with a 2nd rd pick to move up to #22 to take Miller. Spooner was traded for Strome and was soon out of the league. Strome left as a FA.

McDonagh and Miller for Howden, Hajek, Namenstikov, 2018 1st (#28) [Lundqvist]. Got a 4th for Howden and a 4th for Namenstikov.

Zuccarello for 2nd (#49) in 2019 and 3rd (#92) in 2020.

Hayes for 2019 1st, then traded with Pionk for Trouba.

Rangers traded a bunch of starters, ended up with Miller, Trouba, Lindqvist, Lindgren (but subtracted Pionk).

 

[flyerslducks]

They did. Of the two trades, the 2023 pick was the most valuable asset moved. And Chiarot is a considerably worse player.

Ya total bs. We suck lol

Physical D-men garner a premium at the TDL, heck we got a 1st, 3rd and Gudas for Coburn.
Try again, I said an "equivalent" trade, that is for a rental wing (not center, they are valued higher).

I wasn’t even responding to your equivalent, just stating we got less than that deal which is sad. Chiarot was an overpayment

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

TDL trades land you late first round picks, because the teams trading for players tend to be playoff teams that are hoping to get deep into the playoffs. That's why the idea you can quickly rebuild by trading players generally doesn't work out, you accumulate late 1st rd picks and "B" prospects, which can help build depth but rarely end up being cornerstone players.

Rangers are a good example:

Stepan and Raanta for 2017 1st (#7) (Andersson) and TDA.

Nash for Spooner, Lindgren (#45), Belesky, 2018 1st (#26). The 1st rd was packed with a 2nd rd pick to move up to #22 to take Miller. Spooner was traded for Strome and was soon out of the league. Strome left as a FA.

McDonagh and Miller for Howden, Hajek, Namenstikov, 2018 1st (#28) [Lundqvist]. Got a 4th for Howden and a 4th for Namenstikov.

Zuccarello for 2nd (#49) in 2019 and 3rd (#92) in 2020.

Hayes for 2019 1st, then traded with Pionk for Trouba.

Rangers traded a bunch of starters, ended up with Miller, Trouba, Lindqvist, Lindgren (but subtracted Pionk).

Were any of those first round picks in drafts that were three (or four) drafts away?

 

[flyerslducks]

TDL trades land you late first round picks, because the teams trading for players tend to be playoff teams that are hoping to get deep into the playoffs. That's why the idea you can quickly rebuild by trading players generally doesn't work out, you accumulate late 1st rd picks and "B" prospects, which can help build depth but rarely end up being cornerstone players.

Rangers are a good example:

Stepan and Raanta for 2017 1st (#7) (Andersson) and TDA.

Nash for Spooner, Lindgren (#45), Belesky, 2018 1st (#26). The 1st rd was packed with a 2nd rd pick to move up to #22 to take Miller. Spooner was traded for Strome and was soon out of the league. Strome left as a FA.

McDonagh and Miller for Howden, Hajek, Namenstikov, 2018 1st (#28) [Lundqvist]. Got a 4th for Howden and a 4th for Namenstikov.

Zuccarello for 2nd (#49) in 2019 and 3rd (#92) in 2020.

Hayes for 2019 1st, then traded with Pionk for Trouba.

Rangers traded a bunch of starters, ended up with Miller, Trouba, Lindqvist, Lindgren (but subtracted Pionk).

None of these guys are on giroux level

But the point people are trying to make is that giroux should’ve gotten the 23 1st at least and we weren’t even able to get that

 

[Tripod]

None of these guys are on giroux level

But the point people are trying to make is that giroux should’ve gotten the 23 1st at least and we weren’t even able to get that

He knows what the point is. He just can't go against Mgt.

Or agree with the masses as that would go against his shtick.

 

[Curufinwe]

None of these guys are on giroux level

But the point people are trying to make is that giroux should’ve gotten the 23 1st at least and we weren’t even able to get that

It had already been traded.

 

[flyerslducks]

It had already been traded.

eh lame excuse tbh, he knew Florida was the choice, go and get the 23 1st. Over and done with tho, can’t expect fletcher to do anyhting right anyway

 

[Curufinwe]

Florida also knew Florida was the choice . The whole league did.

 

[Magua]

The whole league knows every move Fletcher makes before he makes it. This is not good.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The whole league knows every move Fletcher makes before he makes it. This is not good.

This is bad? We don't want this?

 

[flyers0909]

Am I reading that since Chuck got market value for G, and Risto would have fetched a 1st, that Ristolainen had more deadline value than Giroux?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

The whole league knows every move Fletcher makes before he makes it. This is not good.

I would love to play poker with Chuck. I would make a lot of money

 

[ajgoal]

I would love to play poker with Chuck. I would make a lot of money

"Chuck, do you have ane ace in the hole?"

Chuck: "Go fish."

 

[freakydallas13]

"The Kids will play" turns into "the kids aren't good enough to play" every single October.

You'd think a team that someone is convinced is rebuilding and has kids that aren't good enough to play would want to acquire as much draft capital as possible, but they give out picks like they are candy. Poor draft record + giving away half of your valuable picks = recipe for one winning team, I tell you what.

Physical D-men garner a premium at the TDL, heck we got a 1st, 3rd and Gudas for Coburn.
Try again, I said an "equivalent" trade, that is for a rental wing (not center, they are valued higher).

Bro Gudas is a physical dman, and he was the throw in for that Coburn deal.

 

[flyerslducks]

"The Kids will play" turns into "the kids aren't good enough to play" every single October.

You'd think a team that someone is convinced is rebuilding and has kids that aren't good enough to play would want to acquire as much draft capital as possible, but they give out picks like they are candy. Poor draft record + giving away half of your valuable picks = recipe for one winning team, I tell you what.


Bro Gudas is a physical dman, and he was the throw in for that Coburn deal.

Ya but gudas would command like 3 first rounders now cus he’s physical and a rhd

 

[Curufinwe]

"The Kids will play" turns into "the kids aren't good enough to play" every single October.

You'd think a team that someone is convinced is rebuilding and has kids that aren't good enough to play would want to acquire as much draft capital as possible, but they give out picks like they are candy. Poor draft record + giving away half of your valuable picks = recipe for one winning team, I tell you what.


Bro Gudas is a physical dman, and he was the throw in for that Coburn deal.

He was injured at the time.

 

[deadhead]

Am I reading that since Chuck got market value for G, and Risto would have fetched a 1st, that Ristolainen had more deadline value than Giroux?

Well, Chariot did, Fla traded for him BEFORE they went after G, and gave that 2023 1st, a 4th and a "C" prospect.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So imagine what a competent GM could have gotten for someone as good as Giroux.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[bennysflyers16]

See , Torts has them playing so well. This guy is a saviour.

 

[Magua]

We compared Jersey to Philly a lot this off-season. Saying how much brighter their future looks, with insanely higher quality top end pieces. And that they really weren’t the standings equal to the Flyers — they were average with bad goaltending. How’s that comparison looking?