2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[Curufinwe]

Couts and Schenn were a couple years away from being top 6

Right, Coots was a 3C.

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ES TOI/GP by Flyers forwards in 13-14

1. Giroux - 15:45
2. Couturier - 14:23
3. Read - 14:08
4. Voracek - 13:51
5. Hartnell - 13:30
6. Schenn - 13:24
7. Simmonds - 13:20

 

[deadhead]

Right, Coots was a 3C.

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ES TOI/GP by Flyers forwards in 13-14

1. Giroux - 15:45
2. Couturier - 14:23
3. Read - 14:08
4. Voracek - 13:51
5. Hartnell - 13:30
6. Schenn - 13:24
7. Simmonds - 13:20

pp/60, 5x5
1.69, 1.16, 1.53, 1.36 his first four seasons, if that's 2C play, Hayes is a 1C.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Easy to forget how solid of a middle 6 guy Read was early in his career. Really liked him for a while there. You'd never see the Flyers unearth a Read, Raffl, hell, even a PEB under Fletcher

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Burn this franchise to the ground. It's irredeemable.

 

[Curufinwe]

pp/60, 5x5
1.69, 1.16, 1.53, 1.36 his first four seasons, if that's 2C play, Hayes is a 1C.

In 13-14 Wayne Simmonds only scored at 1.68 P/60 at 5on5 and Brayden Schenn scored at 1.6 P/60. So is your contention really that none of them were actually top 6 forwards in that season where the Flyers finished 13th and made the playoffs with them all playing top 6 minutes?

It's also worth mentioning that the only regular forward to score at a high rate in 14-15 was Voracek. Giroux, Simmonds, Schenn, Couturier and Read were all down between 1.35 and 1.52. By your logic Claude Giroux was not a top 6 forward that season.

Finally, it's very weird how in 19-20 when you and the Flyers media were raving about what a great signing Hayes was, you never mentioned that he only scored at 1.59 P/60 at 5on5, which ranked him 12th out of 13 forwards. And he was 27 at the time! Giroux was low that season, too, but your good buddy NAK was not - 1.98 P/60.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Easy to forget how solid of a middle 6 guy Read was early in his career. Really liked him for a while there. You'd never see the Flyers unearth a Read, Raffl, hell, even a PEB under Fletcher

One more part of the recent problem of depth. Those were literally the last ones to make any consistent impact. Have hopes for Zamula, Myers didn’t amount to what we hoped.

 

[Curufinwe]

Easy to forget how solid of a middle 6 guy Read was early in his career. Really liked him for a while there. You'd never see the Flyers unearth a Read, Raffl, hell, even a PEB under Fletcher

They did unearth a Hodgson... but then immediately reburied him.

 

[Magua]

Easy to forget how solid of a middle 6 guy Read was early in his career. Really liked him for a while there. You'd never see the Flyers unearth a Read, Raffl, hell, even a PEB under Fletcher

MacEwen/Hodgson is their idea of a Read/Raffl type.

Fletcher has been incredibly lazy on the undrafted UFA/waivers front. Are Jackson Cates and JR Avon it? (I'm aware I did not need extra words after "Fletcher has been incredibly lazy.")

Burn this franchise to the ground. It's irredeemable.

Must. Shoehorn. Plugs. Said.

 

[Appleyard]

Speaking of, I hope @Appleyard is ok. Haven't seen him in a while. Hopefully just enjoying traveling around the EU.

Yeh, all good... just very busy!

In Lisbon right now, have been the last week. Came for the wedding of one of my Girlfriend's best friends... was an Angolan wedding in the hills around Lisbon and very epic. Partied until 5am.

And have a big work deadline for the 26th so very little time right now!

 

[Striiker]

This one actually is a burner.

The burner of a burner? Holy shit how deep does this go?

 

[Striiker]

As always, it's hard to tell if he's incredibly dishonest or just completely clueless

 

[scumpup]

As always, it's hard to tell if he's incredibly dishonest or just completely clueless

he has no job security.

 

[Striiker]

he has no job security.

Which is why he owns dozens of pairs of these and wears them all out.

 

[scumpup]

Which is why he owns dozens of pairs of these and wears them all out.

if you want a cushy job writing about a local sports team, then you have to sacrifice a lot. Such is life.

 

[Striiker]

So yeah, that Cates = 2C and Frost = 3C stuff is just being reinforced with this horrendous usage.

Torts the development coach sure does bury his skilled youth a lot. Frost and Laczynski being at the bottom is pure insanity when they're outplayed most forwards on the team.

Not to mention the lack of accountability for MacEwens embarrassing performance.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Was MacEwen double shifting? Can't argue with results.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm a strong believer in "path dependence" as a major influence in decision making by organizations and societies. All one has to do is read some business history to see this repeated again and again, if it controls major corporations, why should sports teams be immune?

That is, due to sunk costs and uncertainty, once an initial decision is made (aggressive reload instead of restarting the rebuild in 2018), it constrains future decisions until a dead end is reached and the decision makers are forced to move to a new path.

Part of the problem is that you often get positive affirmation that you've chosen the correct path (2019-20) before realizing you're lost in the thickets and brambles. Then the problem is your past decisions have limited your future options.

The reason I primarily blame Holmgren were three decisions:
1) not rebuilding after the Carter/Richards trades
2) hiring Hextall, but not giving him carte blanche (or at least encouragement ) to do a full rebuild
3) hiring Fletcher with a "win now" mandate

These three decisions determined the Flyers path from 2011 to 2025 or so.

Fletcher may not have made optimal decisions, but given the past decisions (that led to a paucity of top talent in the pipeline), and the mandate under which he was hired, no GM would have done much better.

Fletcher is the Kwisatz Haderach of path dependency and sunk cost adoration.

Literally any GM who doesn't lose every move he makes or has even average player evaluation skills would have done better.

 

[Striiker]

Fletcher is the Kwisatz Haderach of path dependency and sunk cost adoration.

Literally any GM who doesn't lose every move he makes or has even average player evaluation skills would have done better.

It's nearly impossible for a GM to be worse than Fletcher, who has proven to be bad at literally every single aspect of his job.

He's spent tons of assets and cap space to make the team far worse and far less entertaining, while attempting to compete immediately.

 

[Striiker]

Frost haters in shambles...

1st in xGA/60 on the team at 5v5
2nd in xGF% on the team at 5v5
2nd in Points/60 on the team at all strengths

So he's clearly excelling offensively and defensively.

*Normally I'd never use something as stupid as a 3 game sample size, but since others have made it clear they value sample sizes as small as one or two games, I assume this is also something we should be taking seriously.

 

[Rich Nixon]

with the cap going up to $86m+, JVR coming off the books, and Ellis off to LTIRetirement, the Flyers could be looking at well over $15m in cap next summer.

They really need to start losing so Fletcher isn't the guy who gets to use it.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

This has nothing to do with the games. I'm not watching. I know nothing.

Tortorella playing JVR the most of any Forward at 5v5 through the first 3 games is A+ shitposting content.

 

[Cody Webster]

with the cap going up to $86m+, JVR coming off the books, and Ellis off to LTIRetirement, the Flyers could be looking at well over $15m in cap next summer.

They really need to start losing so Fletcher isn't the guy who gets to use it.

Them not signing Johnny Hockey is looking that much worse now

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Striiker]

And look at Hart over there, carrying and over performing

 

[deadhead]

This has nothing to do with the games. I'm not watching. I know nothing.

Tortorella playing JVR the most of any Forward at 5v5 through the first 3 games is A+ shitposting content.

Some of this reflects STs, TK is playing both the PK and PP, same with Farabee.
So JVR gets more 5x5 shifts. He does play PP, but not the PK.