2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[Flyerfan4life]

Speaking of, I hope @Appleyard is ok. Haven't seen him in a while. Hopefully just enjoying traveling around the EU.

russian gulag....

just sayin...

 

[flyerslducks]

No, it isn't.

G - Laughton - Voracek
JVR - Frost - TK
Lindblom - N Cates - Allison
Lycksell - J Cates - NAK

Provorov - Ghost
Sanheim - Gudas
Hagg - Myers

That's a pretty bad team.

giroux probably signs elsewhere so we have some cap there, we have our picks back, and we have more cap space..oh and cap space. That team you have right there is almost the same as the one we have yet we would still have our assets

 

[captainpaxil]

You are re-writing the past.

It was WIDELY believed that the Flyers could becoming a top team in time for G's last 2 years of his contract. You thought it. I thought it. Appleyard thought it. Etc...

Or do you forget how many. Times you wrote "in 2 years...."

I thought we'd be hitting critical mass right now with provy sanheim tk etc entering Thier prime years with young depth in Allison frost and Patrick then g and voracek could ride out as the veteran presence.
Now I'm hoping Gautier and fletchers fliers can be the young guns behind tk. I'm not even sure we see a real shot on provys contract and it's sad

 

[deadhead]

You are re-writing the past.

It was WIDELY believed that the Flyers could becoming a top team in time for G's last 2 years of his contract. You thought it. I thought it. Appleyard thought it. Etc...

Or do you forget how many. Times you wrote "in 2 years...."

We were on the outside, they should have had better information.

There was some bad luck, if Patrick is a 2C, Lindblom a 2LW, Allison is healthy, they've got a solid forward group. Ghost broke down as well, so did Morin. Stolarz blew out his knee a year before he hit FA, so they had no chance to see if he could be a solid backup, took him two years to recover.

But Hextall never built depth, both missing on numerous draft picks and failing to pick up players on the margin, Weise, Weal, etc. didn't cut it. He also depended on Elliott and Neuvirth, both better suited as #2s behind a true starting goalie, but Hart didn't show up until 2019-20, and that has been a lot to ask of a young goalie.

 

[Hextallent63]

We were on the outside, they should have had better information.

There was some bad luck, if Patrick is a 2C, Lindblom a 2LW, Allison is healthy, they've got a solid forward group. Ghost broke down as well, so did Morin. Stolarz blew out his knee a year before he hit FA, so they had no chance to see if he could be a solid backup, took him two years to recover.

But Hextall never built depth, both missing on numerous draft picks and failing to pick up players on the margin, Weise, Weal, etc. didn't cut it. He also depended on Elliott and Neuvirth, both better suited as #2s behind a true starting goalie, but Hart didn't show up until 2019-20, and that has been a lot to ask of a young goalie.

gost looked pretty good last night though.

 

[Striiker]

Speaking of, I hope @Appleyard is ok. Haven't seen him in a while. Hopefully just enjoying traveling around the EU.

He was tweeting during the Flyers games, so he’s fine.

https://mobile.twitter.com/avappleyard

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Jake and Ghost had no value league wide. When the GM decided to trade them he got market value back. Now you may not like or agree with the market value and I think that is the main issue among fans. If you want to say they should have kept both than that is a valid argument to make and discuss.

Giroux it was either keep him or make the trade with Florida. So looking at those 2 options that we know where on the table, what do you do?

 

[Striiker]

Thank god. We needed more burners.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Thank god. We needed more burners.

This one actually is a burner.

 

[DancingPanther]

Thank god. We needed more burners.

Early Christmas for us all!

 

[Beef Invictus]

We were on the outside, they should have had better information.

There was some bad luck, if Patrick is a 2C, Lindblom a 2LW, Allison is healthy, they've got a solid forward group. Ghost broke down as well, so did Morin. Stolarz blew out his knee a year before he hit FA, so they had no chance to see if he could be a solid backup, took him two years to recover.

But Hextall never built depth, both missing on numerous draft picks and failing to pick up players on the margin, Weise, Weal, etc. didn't cut it. He also depended on Elliott and Neuvirth, both better suited as #2s behind a true starting goalie, but Hart didn't show up until 2019-20, and that has been a lot to ask of a young goalie.

If you think Hextall was bad at drafting and building depth you should check out this guy Fletcher

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

If you think Hextall was bad at drafting and building depth you should check out this guy Fletcher

 

[FLYguy3911]

Fletcher may have been able to get some or no value back for Gostisbehere with retention, however he wanted to get rid of his entire cap hit because he needed to fit in Risto.

Also because he’s a shitty negotiator.

 

[landsbergfan]

Tony DeAngelo ball washing day on twitter it seems

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

 

[deadhead]

Fletcher may have been able to get some or no value back for Gostisbehere with retention, however he wanted to get rid of his entire cap hit because he needed to fit in Risto.

Also because he’s a shitty negotiator.

Ghost had no value, he was coming off three subpar, injury plagued seasons with two years left at $4.5M.
Stralman cost more for the Panthers to dump, and he only had one year left on his deal at $5M.

If the Flyers accepted they weren't competitive, they don't make either of those deals, eat the salary, and keep the draft picks.
The problem wasn't the trades (Fletcher doesn't get many bargains but he doesn't over pay either, he pays market value), but the logic behind the trades.

Though in hindsight, I doubt Ghost or Jake would last long with Torts.

 

[hayen]

Ghost had no value, he was coming off three subpar, injury plagued seasons with two years left at $4.5M.
Stralman cost more for the Panthers to dump, and he only had one year left on his deal at $5M.

If the Flyers accepted they weren't competitive, they don't make either of those deals, eat the salary, and keep the draft picks.
The problem wasn't the trades (Fletcher doesn't get many bargains but he doesn't over pay either, he pays market value), but the logic behind the trades.

Though in hindsight, I doubt Ghost or Jake would last long with Torts.

2019/2020 nor 2020/2021 looked horrible instats to me accept he wasn't playing because of some ws due to injury. But I think he has shown with time to repair and the right coaching, he can play at a high level. Hak killed him as he will Seattle.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Anthony Gargano was just talking about the 2004 series against the Lightning and made the point that “the defenseman were dropping like flies and it was so bad that they had to use a forward at the point on the power play!”

Wooooooooof.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

No, it isn't.

G - Laughton - Voracek
JVR - Frost - TK
Lindblom - N Cates - Allison
Lycksell - J Cates - NAK

Provorov - Ghost
Sanheim - Gudas
Hagg - Myers

That's a pretty bad team.

good argument.

 

[deadhead]

2019/2020 nor 2020/2021 looked horrible instats to me accept he wasn't playing because of some ws due to injury. But I think he has shown with time to repair and the right coaching, he can play at a high level. Hak killed him as he will Seattle.

Ghost is scoring, but he's not playing at a high level, though it's hard to tell how much is Ghost, how much is playing on a terrible team (though the same could be said for TDA on the current Flyers? )

28.65% xGF, -3.56 xGFrel in 3 games this season, after posting 41.87%, +0.79 last season.
His scoring this season is primarily unsustainable shooting on the PP (5 goals in 15 shots), zero at ES.

 

[Curufinwe]

Ghost had no value, he was coming off three subpar, injury plagued seasons with two years left at $4.5M.

Except he wasn't injured in 20-21, and his play wasn't subpar. He scored 0.5 P/GP, 0.94 ESP/60, and his ES GF% was 50 and his ES CF% was 52.57.

Just because his contract didn't have positive value with the flat cap didn't mean it was a good idea to give him away to another team along with the 36th overall pick in 2022. His role in the lineup was replaced by two of the worst dmen in the entire league - Risto and Yandle.

 

[deadhead]

Except he wasn't injured in 20-21, and his play wasn't subpar. He scored 0.5 P/GP, 0.94 ESP/60, and his ES GF% was 50 and his ES CF% was 52.57.

Just because his contract didn't have positive value with the flat cap didn't mean it was a good idea to give him away to another team along with the 36th overall pick in 2022. His role in the lineup was replaced by two of the worst dmen in the entire league - Risto and Yandle.

Didn't say it was a good idea, but keeping him wouldn't have made them much better either.
The problem was they weren't willing to eat $15M and declare that they were rebuilding - and that came from the top.

Which raises an interesting question, did they decide to rebuild when they hired Torts, since the thought was they were hiring him to be more competitive, or did Torts basically stage a palace coup after he was hired and made it clear this was a rebuilding season?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Didn't say it was a good idea, but keeping him wouldn't have made them much better either.
The problem was they weren't willing to eat $15M and declare that they were rebuilding - and that came from the top.

Which raises an interesting question, did they decide to rebuild when they hired Torts, since the thought was they were hiring him to be more competitive, or did Torts basically stage a palace coup after he was hired and made it clear this was a rebuilding season?

Neither. It's pure fantasy either way.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Didn't say it was a good idea, but keeping him wouldn't have made them much better either.
The problem was they weren't willing to eat $15M and declare that they were rebuilding - and that came from the top.

Which raises an interesting question, did they decide to rebuild when they hired Torts, since the thought was they were hiring him to be more competitive, or did Torts basically stage a palace coup after he was hired and made it clear this was a rebuilding season?

If it wasn't a good idea why do you bother defending it?

Keeping him would have been better actually.