2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[Ghosts Beer]

yea, but i think the main reason is the alumni and oldheads got pissed off and started showing thier displeasure. from the start hextall said it would take time. if this team wasnt so hard up for people who havent been relevant for 20 to 30 years hextall would of had time to see his plan to fruition. this being said, im not saying things would be much differant from now, who knows? but i would of liked to see what he would have done with another off season.

"Hextall was criticized for refusing to listen to scouts and advisers and had been accused of cutting off alumni access to the team. Hextall, a star goalie and one of the franchise's more popular players, had wanted his own process on his terms."

"He said Friday at a hotel across the street from the team's New Jersey headquarters that he was wrong to deny former players access to the locker room during an alumni game."

Former Flyers GM Hextall 'stunned' by firing

Former Flyers general manager Ron Hextall said Friday that he was stunned the Flyers fired him this week after four-plus seasons on the job.

www.espn.com

Face it, the guy was a micromanaging dictator and he pissed a ton of people off, from players to the front office. He had a mole behind the bench in Gord Murphy. He micromanaged his players' diets. He changed the long-time date of the Carnival. He isolated himself with Chris Pryor from the rest of the front office. And he wouldn't let alumni access the locker room *during an alumni game*. That's a little different than having a former trainer trying to cling on to his medical position.

You piss that many people off, and are in last place in the Eastern Conference in year 5 of your grand rebuild, then you get fired.

 

[Magua]

Atkinson was the only player they could get for Jake, who had negative value (which CBJ discovered after they signed JG).
Same contract amount, one extra year but lower cap hit.
In a post-COVID cap world, both players are basically unmovable.

And? I specifically mentioned term and term alone for what should be a rebuild. It’s a crap team regardless. I like my crap teams without long term commitments was my only point.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Atkinson was the only player they could get for Jake, who had negative value (which CBJ discovered after they signed JG).
Same contract amount, one extra year but lower cap hit.
In a post-COVID cap world, both players are basically unmovable.

That's probably not true. Fletcher is just really bad at trades.

 

[deadhead]

And? I specifically mentioned term and term alone for what should be a rebuild. It’s a crap team regardless. I like my crap teams without long term commitments was my only point.

Yeah, I think one of the things they have to do the next three years is move out these contracts.

Couts, if healthy, is the only veteran I want to keep long-term b/c of his "leadership by example" and hockey smarts that will allow him to have value for a young team.

JVR will be gone this spring (hopefully at the TDL), Braun is gone, Atkinson still has two years left.
Deslauriers I don't care, if they have to eat the $500K in a couple years for his last two seasons.
Risto, I think is moveable in the summer of 2024 with 3 years, eat a million or so, 3x4 with a rising cap will find a taker.
Laughton is not an issue, well worth his $3M and he also leads by example.

Ellis, looks like LTIR is his permanent home.

Since they have no contracts they need to give out the next couple years with Sanheim nailed down, they can eat money if need be to move out contracts. And I don't mind $4-5M in dead money b/c I don't think rebuilding teams should even consider free agents. By the time they're competitive, need to give some RFAs long-term deals, and might be thinking about FAs, that money should be off the books.

That's probably not true. Fletcher is just really bad at trades.

CBJ gave away Bjorkstrand b/c the cost of dumping Voracek's two years was higher than the ask for JVR.

 

[captainpaxil]

Wouldn’t bother with him. He’s completely out to lunch.

I'm a happy little caveman.

 

[Striiker]

The Atkinson/Voracek trade is just another of the many lost trades in the Fletcher era.

The obsession with shooters and disregard for playmaking is insane. Voracek, Ghost, and Giroux all traded within 8 months and we got absolutely abused in each trade.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, I think one of the things they have to do the next three years is move out these contracts.

Couts, if healthy, is the only veteran I want to keep long-term b/c of his "leadership by example" and hockey smarts that will allow him to have value for a young team.

JVR will be gone this spring (hopefully at the TDL), Braun is gone, Atkinson still has two years left.
Deslauriers I don't care, if they have to eat the $500K in a couple years for his last two seasons.
Risto, I think is moveable in the summer of 2024 with 3 years, eat a million or so, 3x4 with a rising cap will find a taker.
Laughton is not an issue, well worth his $3M and he also leads by example.

Ellis, looks like LTIR is his permanent home.

Since they have no contracts they need to give out the next couple years with Sanheim nailed down, they can eat money if need be to move out contracts. And I don't mind $4-5M in dead money b/c I don't think rebuilding teams should even consider free agents. By the time they're competitive, need to give some RFAs long-term deals, and might be thinking about FAs, that money should be off the books.


CBJ gave away Bjorkstrand b/c the cost of dumping Voracek's two years was higher than the ask for JVR.

And Fletcher can't even take advantage of them.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Atkinson/Voracek trade is just another of the many lost trades in the Fletcher era.

The obsession with shooters and disregard for playmaking is insane. Voracek, Ghost, and Giroux all traded within 8 months and we got absolutely abused in each trade.

Yeah the idea that Atkinson is the only player Fletcher could extract us laughable. It's not a coincidence that Atkinson happens to be a higher end version of Fletcher's favorite player type.

 

[Magua]

Yeah, I think one of the things they have to do the next three years is move out these contracts.

Well, fortunately Fletcher added even more contracts. And easier said than done.

 

[Striiker]

Yeah the idea that Atkinson is the only player Fletcher could extract us laughable. It's not a coincidence that Atkinson happens to be a higher end version of Fletcher's favorite player type.

A shooter and Hayes buddy.

C O I N C I D E N C E

 

[Hextallent63]

"Hextall was criticized for refusing to listen to scouts and advisers and had been accused of cutting off alumni access to the team. Hextall, a star goalie and one of the franchise's more popular players, had wanted his own process on his terms."

"He said Friday at a hotel across the street from the team's New Jersey headquarters that he was wrong to deny former players access to the locker room during an alumni game."

Former Flyers GM Hextall 'stunned' by firing

Former Flyers general manager Ron Hextall said Friday that he was stunned the Flyers fired him this week after four-plus seasons on the job.

www.espn.com

Face it, the guy was a micromanaging dictator and he pissed a ton of people off, from players to the front office. He had a mole behind the bench in Gord Murphy. He micromanaged his players' diets. He changed the long-time date of the Carnival. He isolated himself with Chris Pryor from the rest of the front office. And he wouldn't let alumni access the locker room *during an alumni game*. That's a little different than having a former trainer trying to cling on to his medical position.

You piss that many people off, and are in last place in the Eastern Conference in year 5 of your grand rebuild, then you get fired.

fair enough. not going to argue anything you have said here and am aware and agree with most of it. i was just interested in what he had planned out.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

That's probably not true. Fletcher is just really bad at trades.

They also didn’t NEED to trade Voracek if they were capable of any type of foresight with AV since he should have been canned long before he was.

Voracek wanted out because of that sack of shit.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Caught a clip of Torts saying he probably won't name a captain this year.

Immediately thought this probably isn't good news on the Couturier injury front, but then also thought Torts might not want Couts as captain anyway.

Same clip had Torts saying Laughton was the only player deserving of a letter so far.

Torts is a weird dude.

 

[deadhead]

Yeah the idea that Atkinson is the only player Fletcher could extract us laughable. It's not a coincidence that Atkinson happens to be a higher end version of Fletcher's favorite player type.

Find me another matching contract.
You weren't getting value for Voracek at 32 with $8.25M for 3 years. He would have cost more to dump than Ghost.

 

[Striiker]

What's hilarious is Fletchers so hopelessly incompetent that he thinks Voracek for 8.25m and Ghost for 4.5 are bad deals but Hayes for 7.1 or Risto for 5.1 are acceptable.

If he literally did nothing and made zero trades or FA signings since becoming GM, the team is significantly better than the one we have today.

 

[deadhead]

What's hilarious is Fletchers so hopelessly incompetent that he thinks Voracek for 8.25m and Ghost for 4.5 are bad deals but Hayes for 7.1 or Risto for 5.1 are acceptable.

If he literally did nothing and made zero trades or FA signings since becoming GM, the team is significantly better than the one we have today.

No, it isn't.

G - Laughton - Voracek
JVR - Frost - TK
Lindblom - N Cates - Allison
Lycksell - J Cates - NAK

Provorov - Ghost
Sanheim - Gudas
Hagg - Myers

That's a pretty bad team.

 

[IronMarshal]

I see the Flyers have called up the Phantoms leading scorer, “center” Zach MacEwan.

 

[Tripod]

"Hextall had a mole behind the bench in Gord Murphy"

Meanwhile Fletch had Yeo. Hmmmm.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Atkinson was the only player they could get for Jake, who had negative value (which CBJ discovered after they signed JG).
Same contract amount, one extra year but lower cap hit.
In a post-COVID cap world, both players are basically unmovable.

That’s completely made up

 

[Beef Invictus]

Find me another matching contract.
You weren't getting value for Voracek at 32 with $8.25M for 3 years. He would have cost more to dump than Ghost.

He didn't actually need to be dumped though. Every part of Fletcher's process is broken and delusional.

Do you consider Atkinson negative value? Since Jake has negative value and all. Is trading for a loss in every move good management?

 

[deadhead]

Atkinson is negative value, it's hard to move a 33 year old player on a 3 year deal.

The problem goes back to Hextall/Holmgren, rebuild in 2011, no problem, rebuild in 2015, well, by the time you're finished, G and Voracek are past their prime - but that means you should have considered moving them while they had value.

Sure enough, by 2020, the 2018-19 players couldn't carry the team anymore and the prospects who were supposed to arrive and pick up the slack . . .

 

[Tripod]

Atkinson is negative value, it's hard to move a 33 year old player on a 3 year deal.

The problem goes back to Hextall/Holmgren, rebuild in 2011, no problem, rebuild in 2015, well, by the time you're finished, G and Voracek are past their prime - but that means you should have considered moving them while they had value.

Sure enough, by 2020, the 2018-19 players couldn't carry the team anymore and the prospects who were supposed to arrive and pick up the slack . . .

You are re-writing the past.

It was WIDELY believed that the Flyers could becoming a top team in time for G's last 2 years of his contract. You thought it. I thought it. Appleyard thought it. Etc...

Or do you forget how many. Times you wrote "in 2 years...."

 

[BringBackHakstol]

No, it isn't.

G - Laughton - Voracek
JVR - Frost - TK
Lindblom - N Cates - Allison
Lycksell - J Cates - NAK

Provorov - Ghost
Sanheim - Gudas
Hagg - Myers

That's a pretty bad team.

You forgot coots and farabee...

 

[Cody Webster]

You forgot coots and farabee...

Just minor omissions

 

[ajgoal]

Appleyard thought it.

Speaking of, I hope @Appleyard is ok. Haven't seen him in a while. Hopefully just enjoying traveling around the EU.