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Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread Part II
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Hamilton Bulldogs
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12 goals in college? (at 21). you can't put that dude in an nhl lineup.
Seems odd that you are ignoring his 21 assists.
That said, the 22-23 Anaheim Ducks have proven that we can and will put anyone in the lineup.
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Not really all that impressive. Dude is older than most in college and doesn't really stand out.
I could see putting him in the AHL / ECHL but NHL? You should earn an NHL spot not have it handed to you.
I don’t think this is any long term commitment. They’re probably just giving him some exposure to the team and then sending him on his way.
This is the time of year to be doing some roster experimentation and I did one welcome anything remotely interesting happening on our team
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He did earn it. He had a good senior year, and then successfully bargained with “NHL or free agency”. This is a very common way to get college kids to sign. Zero commitment to where he plays in October.
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My bad.
He earned it by having a good junior year, then bargained it by saying “ play me in the NHL or I’ll just go back to school then go UFA next year”.
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He was eligible for free agency this year. He played bchl in his post draft year so he has played 4 years of amateur hockey since being drafted
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I don't think it's as simple as 4 years after being drafted (if it is, please link me a source so I can learn). CapFriendly seems to be under the impression that it is 4 years once you start your first college season (they say Moore is a UFA in 2025 even though he was drafted in 2020, and Kukkonen is a UFA in 2026 even though he was drafted in 2021).
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That's a good example. So either CapFriendly is wrong or the rules have changed since then.
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A different, more recent example is Kerfoot. He was drafted in 2012, played 1 year in the BCHL, then played 4 years at Harvard before becoming a UFA in 2017. Maybe there was a rule change from the 2012 lockout?
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Dunno what the rule is but Pronman wrote about Nesterenko in this year’s version of his annual article about NCAA free agents (under the category of drafted players who may hit the market this year)
For Kerfoot it's because he was drafted at 17. If he had been 18 or older when he was drafted he would have hit free agency after his Junior year.
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@duxfan101 is correct.
College Rights Part 1 ====
From nhl.com article:
For collegiate and college-track players, NHL teams hold the rights to drafted prospects for the duration of their NCAA eligibility.
In the case of a player who spends his draft-plus-year in an amateur junior A league such as the USHL before starting college, it could be a five-year signing window.
College rights part 2 ====
If a collegiate player decides to come out early, then, "For college NCAA players that have been drafted, NHL teams retain their rights until 30 days after the player has left college." This is come from a different nhl.com article. What this means is that a college player can be a UFA if he doesn't sign with the draft team within 30 days of leaving college at any point in their college career such as leaving as a freshman, sophomore, or junior.
Nesterenko was a 2019 draftee. This year is his D+4 season. Because Nesterenko went to the BCHL before going to the NCAA, his draft team gets a five year rights extension in case the prospect wants a 4-year degree. If Nesterenko feels he's had enough college hockey as a junior and wants to move on, despite having an extra year of eligibility. Then he informs his draft team of his intentions. This is probably what happened, Nesterenko informed Minnesota he's leaving college after this season and the Wild could sign him or lose him to FA. Nesterenko did not want to sign with the Wild, which means he was option for FA.
From the Athletic:
Indications recently were that he did not plan to sign with Minnesota. Nesterenko is of Russian heritage but is a Brooklyn native after his parents emigrated to the United States. — Stephens
The Ducks offering a year off of his ELC is huge because he gets two signing bonuses for essentially one season of play.
You gotta combine both part to make the Collegiate Rights make complete sense.
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Ah, I believe Nesterenko was also 17 when he was drafted, so his situation would match Kerfoot's.For Kerfoot it's because he was drafted at 17. If he had been 18 or older when he was drafted he would have hit free agency after his Junior year.
That's how you should approach NCAA prospects. Build that reputation that you treat this type of prospects well and you might turn around one or two of them over the years to join your franchise. It's about doing whatever you can to give your franchise an edge.
When you look at some criticism of Verbeek it's that he didn't maximize his assets thus far, this is one where he actually looks to have done better than most. And sure it might end up being a complete non-factor, but there's a chance. When you're bottom 5 you can afford to experiment and you should.
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Verbeek really has absolutely no leverage here. The kid wants his money if he’s gonna wind up with a garbage quality franchise. If he’s going to the AHL and not burning a year off the ELC, then he could likely get that contract from most of the teams in the league.
It’s not like the kid will be taking ice time away from a future lynchpin of the franchise.
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