Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread Part II

[Leonardo87]

Something to keep in mind with Strome is that we were fortunate enough to have both Zegras and McTavish both perform as well as we could expect and stay completely healthy outside of one missed game for McTavish. If that ever changes Strome will start to feel like a lot more of a necessity. Much of his value to this current Ducks team comes from the insurance he provides in that scenario

I’ve given Strome the benefit of the doubt because he came from a stacked Rangers team to here. But he still needs to step it up, and I feel even though he has not been a defense liability , he has actually hurt Zegras production.

I think once the team has more support around it, Strome will be better as well. He is skilled, and with 15 games left, maybe just let them work it out I guess. I still like them to keep Terry and Zegras separated.

 

[MMC]

I’ve given Strome the benefit of the doubt because he came from a stacked Rangers team to here. But he still needs to step it up, and I feel even though he has not been a defense liability , he has actually hurt Zegras production.

I think once the team has more support around it, Strome will be better as well. He is skilled, and with 15 games left, maybe just let them work it out I guess. I still like them to keep Terry and Zegras separated.

I would swap him and Lundestrom for the rest of the season, see what Lundy can do in the top 6 while Strome holds down the third line. Hopefully an improved team next year causes everyone’s production to go up

 

[Leonardo87]

I would swap him and Lundestrom for the rest of the season, see what Lundy can do in the top 6 while Strome holds down the third line. Hopefully an improved team next year causes everyone’s production to go up

I think if we get Rico back soon, absolutely, we just have no depth right now. So Z with Strome seems to make sense now. I said before, would love a 3rd line of Vatrano - Lundy - Strome, gives Lundy some skilled players and a guy who can snipe.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Not too worried about Strome. He was brought in to be a top 6 guy, sure, but what they talked about when they signed him was his locker room presence and character, which I haven't heard any complaints about. His production is something we can worry about (if we need to) when it actually matters on ice/in the standings.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

If we had more depth in the Top 6, wouldn’t mind a 3rd line of Vatrano - Lundy - Strome, gives Lundy some skilled guys.

That would be a great 3rd line for us if, to your point, we had the talent up front to be able to afford to do that. Maybe when Vatrano is in the last year of his deal we get to that point.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I think if we get Rico back soon, absolutely, we just have no depth right now. So Z with Strome seems to make sense now. I said before, would love a 3rd line of Vatrano - Lundy - Strome, gives Lundy some skilled players and a guy who can snipe.

Lundy's line as of late: Vatrano-Lundy-Silf

Next year is Silf's last year under contract. We may eventually have a line of Vatrano-Lundy-Strome. Strome gets to play with someone who can play defense in Lundy as well as two players with speed in Lundy and Vatrano.

Years ago, we ran team CLR as our first line because they were so productive. Comtois-Lundy-Rakell was created out of injury necessity as our makeshift 3rd line and promoted to 1st line. As players came back from injury, the talent was spread around the lines and Lundy stayed as 3C.

I dunno when Vatrano joined Lundy-Silf, but here's some samples:

Vatrano​

Total 67 games: 33 pts, -25 rating; a +8 goal production on ice​

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Last 7 games: 4 pts, +0 rating; a +4 goal production on ice​

Last 12 games: 7 pts, -1 rating; a +6 goal production on ice​

Last 20 games: 15 pts, +1 rating; a +16 goal production on ice​

It's best to keep Vatrano as a 3rd liner with Lundy. That third line is also part of the reason why we're a better team today.

Swapping Lundy for Strome gives up more goals than Lundy scoring more as we re-unite Strome with Vatrano, which was what we started off with to begin the season.

Strome​

Total 67 games: 31 pts, -25 rating; a +6 goal production on ice​

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Last 7 games: 2 pts, -2 rating, a +0 goal production on ice​

Last 12 games: 5 pts, -1, a +4 goal production on ice​

Last 20 games: 6 pts, -5, a +1 goal production on ice​

 

[Leonardo87]

Lundy's line as of late: Vatrano-Lundy-Silf

Next year is Silf's last year under contract. We may eventually have a line of Vatrano-Lundy-Strome. Strome gets to play with someone who can play defense in Lundy as well as two players with speed in Lundy and Vatrano.

Years ago, we ran team CLR as our first line because they were so productive. Comtois-Lundy-Rakell was created out of injury necessity as our makeshift 3rd line and promoted to 1st line. As players came back from injury, the talent was spread around the lines and Lundy stayed as 3C.

I dunno when Vatrano joined Lundy-Silf, but here's some samples:

Vatrano​

Total 67 games: 33 pts, -25 rating; a +8 goal production on ice​

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Last 7 games: 4 pts, +0 rating; a +4 goal production on ice​

Last 12 games: 7 pts, -1 rating; a +6 goal production on ice​

Last 20 games: 15 pts, +1 rating; a +16 goal production on ice​

It's best to keep Vatrano as a 3rd liner with Lundy. That third line is also part of the reason why we're a better team today.

Swapping Lundy for Strome gives up more goals than Lundy scoring more as we re-unite Strome with Vatrano, which was what we started off with to begin the season.

Strome​

Total 67 games: 31 pts, -25 rating; a +6 goal production on ice​

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Last 7 games: 2 pts, -2 rating, a +0 goal production on ice​

Last 12 games: 5 pts, -1, a +4 goal production on ice​

Last 20 games: 6 pts, -5, a +1 goal production on ice​

Yeah good stuff here. I would love that 3rd line, figured Silf who has turned it up as of late can still be an option in his final contract for the bottom 6, and kill penalties, even if on a 4th line.

Also, if the Top 6 is going to not need Strome or Vatrano it means we will have some nice depth finally. Only thing is, not sure who would be added, unless we are using Jones and McGinn like now…

Henrique - McTavish - Terry
????- Zegras - ????

Jones, McGinn?

Too many holes now , Do we go after a stop gap UFA forward? Do we draft a Top 3 pick and they are NHL ready? Is someone from SD ready? Probably will just keep Strome up there for now which is fine.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Yeah good stuff here. I would love that 3rd line, figured Silf who has turned it up as of late can still be an option in his final contract for the bottom 6, and kill penalties, even if on a 4th line.

Also, if the Top 6 is going to not need Strome or Vatrano it means we will have some nice depth finally. Only thing is, not sure who would be added, unless we are using Jones and McGinn like now…

Henrique - McTavish - Terry
????- Zegras - ????

Jones, McGinn?

Too many holes now , Do we go after a stop gap UFA forward? Do we draft a Top 3 pick and they are NHL ready? Is someone from SD ready? Probably will just keep Strome up there for now which is fine.

I do not see any top-6 prospect wingers in our pipeline that can join the club to start next season. We're gonna need to find a fringe top-6 FA or an aging, scoring winger like el Nino. If we win the lottery, then that's one top-6 taken up for next season.

If Rico still plays at a high level next season, then we might be forced to try to extend him an extra year if none of our top forward prospects don't pan out next year in 2023 first round pick, RW/LW Pastujov, RW Perreault, and LW Tracey. That 2023 first round pick has different maturation rates: Bedard comes to the NHL next season, Fantilli and Carlsson could come in two seasons, the rest is unknown, and Michkov could come in four years - if he does decide to come over to NA.

Strome represents a bridge between Rico/Silf and the youths. We are missing a lot of bridges like Strome b/c Verbeek is building through the draft.

 

[DavidBL]

Yeah good stuff here. I would love that 3rd line, figured Silf who has turned it up as of late can still be an option in his final contract for the bottom 6, and kill penalties, even if on a 4th line.

Also, if the Top 6 is going to not need Strome or Vatrano it means we will have some nice depth finally. Only thing is, not sure who would be added, unless we are using Jones and McGinn like now…

Henrique - McTavish - Terry
????- Zegras - ????

Jones, McGinn?

Too many holes now , Do we go after a stop gap UFA forward? Do we draft a Top 3 pick and they are NHL ready? Is someone from SD ready? Probably will just keep Strome up there for now which is fine.

Well I'd check to see what it would cost for Boeser at full cap. He could be similar trade as Buchnevich. You also have who ever we draft this year. If we're top 5 it's possible they're only a year away. I'd still love to see MC away from Eakins. Not sure he deserves it but there is enough flashes of the skill that it teases the kind into thinking what a different coach get out of him.

 

[lwvs84]

Ideally, they can add a defensive, physical LD and RD. I know they want to bring Shat back, but depending on how LaCombe looks, I'd hope they go
Fowler-DRD
DLD-Drysdale
Benoit-LaCombe

If LaCombe is overmatched by a lot at the end of this season (assuming he gets some games), replace him with Shat for the season.

That would leave 1-2 top 6 forward spots (Z, McTavish, Terry, Henrique set) and possibly our top pick this year. This team has plenty of bottom 6 forwards, can run Vatrano-Lundy-Strome 3rd and some combination of forwards on the 4th line. Add a good coach and this team will be headed in the right direction (not necessarily playoffs, but should be closer to a playoff spot than 1st overall pick).

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Well I'd check to see what it would cost for Boeser at full cap. He could be similar trade as Buchnevich. You also have who ever we draft this year. If we're top 5 it's possible they're only a year away. I'd still love to see MC away from Eakins. Not sure he deserves it but there is enough flashes of the skill that it teases the kind into thinking what a different coach get out of him.

Yeah, I would throw MC or Regenda on Zegras' left side next season with Boesser (if acquired) or another UFA/acquisition on the right side in that scenario.

Henrique-McTavish-Terry
Regenda/Comtois-Zegras-Boesser/UFA/acquisition
Vatrano-Llundestrom-Strome
Jones-Carrick-McGinn/Leason

Ideally, they can add a defensive, physical LD and RD. I know they want to bring Shat back, but depending on how LaCombe looks, I'd hope they go
Fowler-DRD
DLD-Drysdale
Benoit-LaCombe

If LaCombe is overmatched by a lot at the end of this season (assuming he gets some games), replace him with Shat for the season.

That would leave 1-2 top 6 forward spots (Z, McTavish, Terry, Henrique set) and possibly our top pick this year. This team has plenty of bottom 6 forwards, can run Vatrano-Lundy-Strome 3rd and some combination of forwards on the 4th line. Add a good coach and this team will be headed in the right direction (not necessarily playoffs, but should be closer to a playoff spot than 1st overall pick).

Vaaks will still be here. Hopefully healthy and ready to go.

 

[DavidBL]

Yeah, I would throw MC or Regenda on Zegras' left side next season with Boesser (if acquired) or another UFA/acquisition on the right side in that scenario.

Henrique-McTavish-Terry
Regenda/Comtois-Zegras-Boesser/UFA/acquisition
Vatrano-Llundestrom-Strome
Jones-Carrick-McGinn/Leason


Vaaks will still be here. Hopefully healthy and ready to go.

This is where I am at currently, though I'd wonder what Lubdy could do next to Z pushing Strome to Center Making room for Silf who is still signed.
For D I'm okay forcing Vaaks, Benoit fighting for the 3rd line LD duties. If we manage to add a DLD who is also physical it's allows some flexibility on who takes that 3rd LD spot

 

[Emerald Duck]

As was discussed on the main board, if the Rangers decide to re-sign Kane, then how about an offer sheet for Alexis LaFreniere ? I know that no one wants to land on NYR's "list" for future retaliation, but is he worth the risk? In addition to Kane, Tarasenko is also a UFA, but then NY has to re-sign their RFAs (Miller, Chytil and LaFreniere). I don;t think we have the prospects to trade for LaFreniere but that might be a route to consider as well.

He fits the Ducks' window and would provide another skilled Top 6 forward, albeit we're still paying him more for his potential as a previous #1 draft pick. We got young dmen in our system, but we don't have any high end forwards coming to play with Terry, Zegras and McTavish (besides this year's 1st rd pick who may or may not be ready for the NHL this year).

Do the Rangers have the cap space to offer him up to a $4Mx4 contract at the cost of a 2nd round pick ? We certainly won't grab a more skilled player in the 2nd rd in 2024. Even if the compensation bumps up to the next level (1st and a 3rd) we're talking about a mid-1st rd pick in 2024.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Well I'd check to see what it would cost for Boeser at full cap. He could be similar trade as Buchnevich. You also have who ever we draft this year. If we're top 5 it's possible they're only a year away. I'd still love to see MC away from Eakins. Not sure he deserves it but there is enough flashes of the skill that it teases the kind into thinking what a different coach get out of him.

I'm a bit perplexed with the thought that Eakins can't get much out of Comtois. Comtois became the Ducks highest scorer two seasons ago under Eakins. Comtois started off last year in the top-6. He was given top-6 chances this year too. Comtois didn't put in the work to maintain that high level of play required to be a top scoring forward.

Jones doesn't have Comtois' scoring touch, but Jones has always been working his ass off every year. Comtois stopped working when he landed his bridge contract after leading the Ducks in scoring. It's a shame that Comtois needs to be motivated at the NHL level. It's a shame to continue to baby Comtois. Youths Terry, Z, McTavish, Lundy, and Jones work hard to produce. Jones matched his career high with 12 points this year.

 

[Duck Off]

I'm a bit perplexed with the thought that Eakins can't get much out of Comtois. Comtois became the Ducks highest scorer two seasons ago under Eakins. Comtois started off last year in the top-6. He was given top-6 chances this year too. Comtois didn't put in the work to maintain that high level of play required to be a top scoring forward.

Jones doesn't have Comtois' scoring touch, but Jones has always been working his ass off every year. Comtois stopped working when he landed his bridge contract after leading the Ducks in scoring. It's a shame that Comtois needs to be motivated at the NHL level. It's a shame to continue to baby Comtois. Youths Terry, Z, McTavish, Lundy, and Jones work hard to produce. Jones matched his career high with 12 points this year.

I think it’s more about Comtois needs a change of scenery more than a coach. The question is, is a new coach in Anaheim enough of a change? I’d keep him because I don’t see us getting any value out of him, but it’s iffy if he’ll ever be what he was early in his career.

Fair or not, coaches “messages” get stale after a while. So even if he’s had success in the past, he still might benefit from a new coach.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

That hustle by Jones on that one goal in the Nashville game was sick

 

[MMC]

 

[91Fedorov]

I think it’s more about Comtois needs a change of scenery more than a coach. The question is, is a new coach in Anaheim enough of a change? I’d keep him because I don’t see us getting any value out of him, but it’s iffy if he’ll ever be what he was early in his career.

I do agree. But I also think that next year is not a critical year for us, so taking a swing on MC on the hopes a new coach can turn him around is worth it. It's not going to tank our next season either way. I would just like to try it before we give up on him. More darts, right?

 

[DavidBL]

I do agree. But I also think that next year is not a critical year for us, so taking a swing on MC on the hopes a new coach can turn him around is worth it. It's not going to tank our next season either way. I would just like to try it before we give up on him. More darts, right?

I think the biggest question for MC is will he sign for less than his QO. Given his production he probably doesn't have a great arbitration case like Milano last year.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

 

[MMC]

I think the biggest question for MC is will he sign for less than his QO. Given his production he probably doesn't have a great arbitration case like Milano last year.

They will non-tender Comtois before they go to arbitration with him, he's likely gone

 

[MMC]

 

[Static]

Maroon, Wagner, Sustr, Nesterenko. Must have that jersey lying around the facility.

 

[All Mighty]

Maroon, Wagner, Sustr, Nesterenko. Must have that jersey lying around the facility.

You missed one

 

[DavidBL]

They will non-tender Comtois before they go to arbitration with him, he's likely gone

I don't know. In Sunnys case they opted to let him go rather than be stuck with a 3+ mill contract based on his production. MC doesn't have that and arbitration may be the best way to try and recoup the player. They can always walk away. Really depends on what they think of the playerand why he has struggled.