Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread Part II

[Deuce22]

We need to get the puck back before we can transition.

Did you even read my post? I want guys on D that can get the puck back, not guys standing around playing the Eakins rope-a-dope. Our roster now is full of soft guys losing puck battles or tough guys with no puck skills. We need to build a D (and find a coach) that isn't content to play long shifts in our own zone.

 

[bsu]

Did you even read my post? I want guys on D that can get the puck back, not guys standing around playing the Eakins rope-a-dope. Our roster now is full of soft guys losing puck battles or tough guys with no puck skills. We need to build a D (and find a coach) that isn't content to play long shifts in our own zone.

It's both... and Verbeek is like 65% to blame and Eakins the rest. I don't even believe in Verbeek yet as much as some around here. First timers at almost anything usually suck in the beginning... yeah he's been an assistant GM but that is a HUGE difference when you're the one with the final calls.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Will be interesting to see what happens with Eakins. I don't think it's a given he's gone, you can make an argument that our younger guys have made big strides with him. I probably would bring a new guy in if i were in charge, but it's kinda close given where this team will likely be next year as well. I could see it going either way.

 

[Deuce22]

It's both... and Verbeek is like 65% to blame and Eakins the rest. I don't even believe in Verbeek yet as much as some around here. First timers at almost anything usually suck in the beginning... yeah he's been an assistant GM but that is a HUGE difference when you're the one with the final calls.

I believe Verbeek had no intention of trying to build a strong defense this season. He wanted a high draft pick. Eakins has had 6 years of NHL head coaching futility. Acting like he should be brought back because Ducks are beating teams that are tanking harder than they are is funny to me.

 

[bsu]

I believe Verbeek had no intention of trying to build a strong defense this season. He wanted a high draft pick. Eakins has had 6 years of NHL head coaching futility. Acting like he should be brought back because Ducks are beating teams that are tanking harder than they are is funny to me.

Well that's a good way to ruin the good prospects we already have. Have them play without the puck... with zero toughness nightly. Sacrificing our current actual NHL youth by completely gutting all toughness and defensive defensemen for a lottery ticket seems completely idiotic but what do I know. I hope it works out for us though.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

alot depends on if we land Bedard. The rebuild will go into hyper drive if we pull that number one pick

 

[Leonardo87]

I believe Verbeek had no intention of trying to build a strong defense this season. He wanted a high draft pick. Eakins has had 6 years of NHL head coaching futility. Acting like he should be brought back because Ducks are beating teams that are tanking harder than they are is funny to me.

Don’t think he should be brought back. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he was. I’m still kinda indifferent because this roster is not good, and how much could a better coach get out of this roster? Last night we saw a team worse than us and we played like crap, and still won. It’s good mentality for the kids they are winning as of late, but it shouldn’t cloud anyone‘s mind that there are still a lot of issues.

 

[DavidBL]

Did you even read my post? I want guys on D that can get the puck back, not guys standing around playing the Eakins rope-a-dope. Our roster now is full of soft guys losing puck battles or tough guys with no puck skills. We need to build a D (and find a coach) that isn't content to play long shifts in our own zone.

If you mentioned it early I must have missed it but the post I replied to didn't mention getting the puck back at all just being able to move it out quickly. If I missed a previous statement my bad.

 

[Deuce22]

Well that's a good way to ruin the good prospects we already have. Have them play without the puck... with zero toughness nightly. Sacrificing our current actual NHL youth by completely gutting all toughness and defensive defensemen for a lottery ticket seems completely idiotic but what do I know. I hope it works out for us though.

It's the only thing that makes any sense to me. If he wanted to win games having this defensive roster and bringing back Eakins is baffling.

If you mentioned it early I must have missed it but the post I replied to didn't mention getting the puck back at all just being able to move it out quickly. If I missed a previous statement my bad.

No issue here. We want the same thing.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Hes got bruised ribs.. Ive had those.. It makes it hard to breath... Not fun.. Let him rest.

For a couple weeks

 

[Hockey Duckie]

alot depends on if we land Bedard. The rebuild will go into hyper drive if we pull that number one pick

Bedard won't put us into hyperdrive. He's got to adapt to the NHL level and not cheat defensively like he does in juniors and WJC tourney's. It's gonna take some years for Bedard to be that complete player at the NHL level.

Bedard won't do anything to fix the disaster that we have on the blue line. We possess no true 1st pairing D at the moment. If LaCombe and Thrun (if signed) look like NHLers next year, then that will improve the rebuild dramatically as it's a win for the youth blueline movement. That's a very big if, though.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I believe Verbeek had no intention of trying to build a strong defense this season. He wanted a high draft pick. Eakins has had 6 years of NHL head coaching futility. Acting like he should be brought back because Ducks are beating teams that are tanking harder than they are is funny to me.

Defense wasn't a priority for Verbeek. Forwards Vatrano and Strome were signed early in FA period while D Klingberg was signed just before August. But Verbeek did acquire the cap dump of D Kulikov at the end of August. Also had Beaulieu added on Oct 1 after Vaaks' injury.

While I do believe Verbeek didn't value defense, PV did value stock in both forwards Vatrano and Strome. This is why I believe PV thought we'd be around or at .500 with the notion the forwards would be strong enough to mask the defense like a Florida team. That part has failed.

As for Eakins, his four seasons with the Ducks have all been in the rebuild era. The team first rebuild started gutting at the 2018-19 TDL. Next season, the team was gutted once again at the TDL, but it did bring in the youths Zegras and Drysdale. The third season, everyone was healthy to start the season. New mgmt didn't give up and gutted the team to reset the rebuild. This season, his fourth with the Ducks, is an obvious rebuild season.

I really can't knock Eakins when most of his tenure with the Ducks have been with weak rosters that are often maligned with mass injuries. The only time Eakins had a healthy roster with talent, he produced well while it lasted. It's kinda sad to acknowledge three of the top-4 scorers for the team right now are all youths, with one of them a 19-year old rookie. That's how much the Ducks lack talent. On the plus side, all three youths are there with Eakins as coach.

I'm indifferent if the Ducks retain Eakins, but i won't bash the guy when he's been given lemons for most of his tenure. I stand by what I think the Ducks are this season, "a bad roster that overachieves."

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Bedard won't put us into hyperdrive. He's got to adapt to the NHL level and not cheat defensively like he does in juniors and WJC tourney's. It's gonna take some years for Bedard to be that complete player at the NHL level.

Bedard won't do anything to fix the disaster that we have on the blue line. We possess no true 1st pairing D at the moment. If LaCombe and Thrun (if signed) look like NHLers next year, then that will improve the rebuild dramatically as it's a win for the youth blueline movement. That's a very big if, though.

That’s not what I meant. If we land Bedard verbeek will speed up the. Rebuild before that ELC is up

 

[Leonardo87]

Defense wasn't a priority for Verbeek. Forwards Vatrano and Strome were signed early in FA period while D Klingberg was signed just before August. But Verbeek did acquire the cap dump of D Kulikov at the end of August. Also had Beaulieu added on Oct 1 after Vaaks' injury.

While I do believe Verbeek didn't value defense, PV did value stock in both forwards Vatrano and Strome. This is why I believe PV thought we'd be around or at .500 with the notion the forwards would be strong enough to mask the defense like a Florida team. That part has failed.

As for Eakins, his four seasons with the Ducks have all been in the rebuild era. The team first rebuild started gutting at the 2018-19 TDL. Next season, the team was gutted once again at the TDL, but it did bring in the youths Zegras and Drysdale. The third season, everyone was healthy to start the season. New mgmt didn't give up and gutted the team to reset the rebuild. This season, his fourth with the Ducks, is an obvious rebuild season.

I really can't knock Eakins when most of his tenure with the Ducks have been with weak rosters that are often maligned with mass injuries. The only time Eakins had a healthy roster with talent, he produced well while it lasted. It's kinda sad to acknowledge three of the top-4 scorers for the team right now are all youths, with one of them a 19-year old rookie. That's how much the Ducks lack talent. On the plus side, all three youths are there with Eakins as coach.

I'm indifferent if the Ducks retain Eakins, but i won't bash the guy when he's been given lemons for most of his tenure. I stand by what I think the Ducks are this season, "a bad roster that overachieves."

Feels like we are playing what Verbeek expected in the last 20 or so games, we are a game over .500 in that time, not bad given this Line up.

This roster is poorly constructed, I’m also indifferent with Eakins even if I tend to lean on the moving on from him side. Like you said he has crap to work with. The PP is putrid again but I don’t think that is on him. Really showed how underrated Geoff Ward was. Have to give props to the PK, has really done a 180 this season.

The schedule is getting harder again, so will be interesting how they do. Plus got the TDL in a few weeks. At least things will get more interesting around here, lol.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Feels like we are playing what Verbeek expected in the last 20 or so games, we are a game over .500 in that time, not bad given this Line up.

This roster is poorly constructed, I’m also indifferent with Eakins even if I tend to lean on the moving on from him side. Like you said he has crap to work with. The PP is putrid again but I don’t think that is on him. Really showed how underrated Geoff Ward was. Have to give props to the PK, has really done a 180 this season.

The schedule is getting harder again, so will be interesting how they do. Plus got the TDL in a few weeks. At least things will get more interesting around here, lol.

In regards to the PP, it doesn't seem like they give themselves many options lately. Idk if the staff is telling the players to focus on one or two specific plays, but it seems like they force things and aren't adapting to what the PK is giving them/taking away.

If Terry is out for the foreseeable future, we might not even gain the zone for the rest of the season. Especially if they keep doing that stupid drop pass play on the entry.

 

[Leonardo87]

In regards to the PP, it doesn't seem like they give themselves many options lately. Idk if the staff is telling the players to focus on one or two specific plays, but it seems like they force things and aren't adapting to what the PK is giving them/taking away.

If Terry is out for the foreseeable future, we might not even gain the zone for the rest of the season. Especially if they keep doing that stupid drop pass play on the entry.

Yeah Terry being out is going to make it even worse and we already saw that in the last two games.

 

[Leonardo87]

Looks like Comtois will get healthy scratched..

 

[ohcomeonref]

Looks like Comtois will get healthy scratched..

Good, he needs a wake-up call. He's flushing his NHL career.

 

[Leonardo87]

Good, he needs a wake-up call. He's flushing his NHL career.

Yeah, need much more from him. May need to hope a fresh wave of young players like Groulx and Regenda can fill in these roles.

 

[bsu]

Looks like Comtois will get healthy scratched..

That roster is so f***ing bad. Good lord .

 

[Leonardo87]

That roster is so f***ing bad. Good lord .

Yet we cannot even Tank right, lol

 

[Ducks DVM]

Feels like we are playing what Verbeek expected in the last 20 or so games, we are a game over .500 in that time, not bad given this Line up.

This roster is poorly constructed, I’m also indifferent with Eakins even if I tend to lean on the moving on from him side. Like you said he has crap to work with. The PP is putrid again but I don’t think that is on him. Really showed how underrated Geoff Ward was. Have to give props to the PK, has really done a 180 this season.

The schedule is getting harder again, so will be interesting how they do. Plus got the TDL in a few weeks. At least things will get more interesting around here, lol.

Verbeek was on record saying that a team with new players and system takes 20+ games to figure things out. That statement, with the .500 statement, indicate that Eakins is achieving pretty much exactly what Verbeek expected. The key point will be how he feels McTavis, Zegras, and Terry were developed.

For everyone pining for a new Verbeek picked coach, keep in mind that the AHL coaching roster is 100% him this year.

By interesting, you mean “seeing if we can get average shots against to 60” interesting?

 

[Leonardo87]

Verbeek was on record saying that a team with new players and system takes 20+ games to figure things out. That statement, with the .500 statement, indicate that Eakins is achieving pretty much exactly what Verbeek expected. The key point will be how he feels McTavis, Zegras, and Terry were developed.

For everyone pining for a new Verbeek picked coach, keep in mind that the AHL coaching roster is 100% him this year.

By interesting, you mean “seeing if we can get average shots against to 60” interesting?

Lol yeah pretty much. Poor Gibby gonna have a full head of grey hair by the time the season is over.

But also who stays and who goes and what we get for them, and if there are any call ups. Team
Is playing better but we still need to sell pending UFAs of course.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Lol yeah pretty much. Poor Gibby gonna have a full head of grey hair by the time the season is over.

But also who stays and who goes and what we get for them, and if there are any call ups. Team
Is playing better but we still need to sell pending UFAs of course.

I think the interesting thing will be seeing if we can get somewhat usable picks for taking still usable but simply overpaid veteran players. How much term they have left will likely indicate the course that Verbeek is going to set for next year.

 

[Leonardo87]

I think the interesting thing will be seeing if we can get somewhat usable picks for taking still usable but simply overpaid veteran players. How much term they have left will likely indicate the course that Verbeek is going to set for next year.

We have the cap. If we can get a decent player as a cap casualty, would be cool. Similar to the Dadonov trade that was squashed.

I really want him to add more picks for this draft. We need to really add to our forward prospect pool. This is the draft to do it.

Already have 6 picks through the first 3 rounds. Can easily seeing us add another 3 picks.