Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread Part II

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Leonardo87

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Even though he had no assists the 4 goals in 15 games before the injury had me hopeful that he would be able to at least score 10-20 goals in our top 9 while being willing to drop the gloves but the 0 goals in 23 games since scoring in his first game off the IL on December 6th, while playing in the top 6 for many of those games is really disappointing. At this point he's unfortunately probably playing his way into getting non-tendered

Yeah, there is no sugar coating it. I know our entire team is down in scoring, and can put a lot of the blame on a bad PP, and lack of depth, but still want more from him. Some of our guys have found a way to still produce even if I think they should be producing more as well, again the PP and depth.
 

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I think the most depressing thing about this year's roster as a whole, at least to me, is Comtois and Jones looking like they won't be anything more than 4th liners. Was really hoping they would be the type of wingers that could compliment our young scoring centers in the NHL while producing at a decent rate themselves.
Leasson seems more encouraging than both of comtois and Jones tbh.
 

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Yeah, there is no sugar coating it. I know our entire team is down in scoring, and can put a lot of the blame on a bad PP, and lack of depth, but still want more from him. Some of our guys have found a way to still produce even if I think they should be producing more as well, again the PP and depth.

When I did the goal breakdowns, we were only down by about 10 PP goals at the 50 game mark. That's not going to change much on the outcome. We're blowing on on the PK and Even Strength Goals Against (ES GA).
 

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This is why it is critical to get a Top 3 pick in this draft. On top of some other guys coming up like maybe Groulx and Regenda. We need to change things up now. Jones and Comtois just aren't getting it done.

We're waiting and hoping on Tracey, Perreault, Pastujov, and a top-3 pick to be our top-6 support. Otherwise, we're waiting on which d-men can develop fast enough so that we can eventually trade a d-man and picks for a top-6... that might also take another two seasons because we're truly lacking known depth on the pro side.
 

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We're waiting and hoping on Tracey, Perreault, Pastujov, and a top-3 pick to be our top-6 support. Otherwise, we're waiting on which d-men can develop fast enough so that we can eventually trade a d-man and picks for a top-6... that might also take another two seasons because we're truly lacking known depth on the pro side.

Feels like we are playing ourselves out of a Top 3 pick but then again look who we played the last 5 or so games. Upcoming schedule is going to be tougher.

I hope one of that trio not only makes the NHL but becomes a Top 6 forward for us. It seems Perreault and Tracey have taken steps back unfortunately. But still too early to see.

Hoping this draft will replenish our forward prospect pool. But really need a Top 5 pick. Preferably Top 3.
 

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There's some kind of mismatch that either the system is creating or the players just aren't understanding, which either way is a coaching issue. In the D zone players are clearly trying to stay inside of their man, so they're pretty much never near the boards, and yet the defensemen's preferred method for getting out of trouble is a rim-around, but the forwards are NEVER NEAR THE BOARDS, so it's just a built-in giveaway.

Maybe the D are supposed to look for passing options and aren't doing it enough or maybe (more likely to me) the forwards aren't options because they're too busy concentrating on the confusing defensive scheme that they're badly executing.

Yeah, the forwards are just not supporting, and that is a major concern. I think the combination of the system/coaching and players playing above their heads is what is leading to this seasons D woes.

I also want to circle back to the PP. That has been a major issue this season. PK has looked miles better recently compared to the start of the season, but the PP has literally gotten worse. Between that 4 on 3 in Dallas, to the short-lived double minor one last night, was brutal. Poor Klingberg lost blood for that? lol.
 

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I know folks want that Top 3 pick, so do I, but when your team is playing well with the kids contributing it feels good. They are playing better hockey no doubt but the team still has a lot of issues.

I do hope they are playing .500 hockey or slightly above all of next season. We need to start to show some progress, and hopefully can get some more support from within the organization and outside as well.

Our young core is starting to come together but they still need a lot of support.
 

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The more the season goes on the more I'm convinced PV is going to bring him back
only way i see eakins returning is if they finish the season strong and end up without one of bedard/fantilli/carlsson/michkov
 

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That big 8-9 record ain’t enough to bring ya around?!

I’m indifferent with Eakins. He has not had much of a line up to work with, and the PP which has literally gotten worse, is not really on him. My only concern is his defensive system and the players still continue to struggle with it. If we weren’t always pinned in our zone, may be scoring more.

Last night some bad turnovers from being pressured, but when you play a team like Chicago can play with fire more. Do that against a top team, that game would have been out of reach by the 2nd period.

It goes to show how bad Chicago is this season. We didn’t play a good game, far from it, yet still managed a win.
 

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Even with a high octane potential forward like the four you have mentioned, we need to develop defenseman that can actually play defense
But there is more than one way to "play defense." Having 6'4" pylons guarding the crease while the opponent plays with the puck is one way. Another way is to have D who can move the puck out of their zone quickly and efficiently. The best defense is to possess the puck in the offensive zone.
 
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But there is more than one way to "play defense." Having 6'4" pylons guarding the crease while the opponent plays with the puck is one way. Another way is to have D who can move the puck out of their zone quickly and efficiently. The best defense is to possess the puck in the offensive zone.

Whatever you want to call it, we need it. We have an abundance of offensive dman in the system, but I'm more interested in seeing how well Thrun, LaCombe, Moore, and Mintykov do. They seem more akin to a transitional two-way defender.
 

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But there is more than one way to "play defense." Having 6'4" pylons guarding the crease while the opponent plays with the puck is one way. Another way is to have D who can move the puck out of their zone quickly and efficiently. The best defense is to possess the puck in the offensive zone.
We need to get the puck back before we can transition.
 

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Feels like we are playing ourselves out of a Top 3 pick but then again look who we played the last 5 or so games. Upcoming schedule is going to be tougher.

I hope one of that trio not only makes the NHL but becomes a Top 6 forward for us. It seems Perreault and Tracey have taken steps back unfortunately. But still too early to see.

Hoping this draft will replenish our forward prospect pool. But really need a Top 5 pick. Preferably Top 3.

Sure feels like this stretch of games has us looking like a different team nowadays. We're 5-1-1 (11pts) in our past 7 games.

Win vs Columbus, 5-3 (lottery team)​
Loss to Buffalo, 3-6​
Win at Arizona, 5-2 (lottery team)​
Win vs Colorado, 5-3​
Win vs Arizona, 2-1 OT (lottery team)​
Loss to Dallas, 2-3 SOL​
Win vs Chicago, 3-2 OT (lottery team)​

Against lottery teams near us, we are 4-0-0. Against non-lottery teams, we're 1-1-1. The plus side is other lottery teams are still winning.

Losing Terry actually does hamper our offense a bit as he's been collecting assists all long. That's going to matter against the next 8 games where we face all non-lottery teams.

Feb 10: Pitt​
Feb 12: at VGK​
Feg 15: Buf​
Feg 17: LAK​
Feb 20: at Fla​
Feb 21: at TB​
Feb 23: at Wash​
Feb 25: at Car​

The trade deadline (TDL) is Mar 3rd. We are probably going to lose at least 2 defensemen by the end of the road trip, F Grant, and G Stolarz. Geez... the TDL is almost here. The season is almost over.
 

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I’m indifferent with Eakins. He has not had much of a line up to work with, and the PP which has literally gotten worse, is not really on him. My only concern is his defensive system and the players still continue to struggle with it. If we weren’t always pinned in our zone, may be scoring more.

Last night some bad turnovers from being pressured, but when you play a team like Chicago can play with fire more. Do that against a top team, that game would have been out of reach by the 2nd period.

It goes to show how bad Chicago is this season. We didn’t play a good game, far from it, yet still managed a win.

Our top-6 last night

Rico (-1) - Z (-23) - Strome (-23)​
Vatrano (-20) - McTavish (-12) - Jones (-13)​

We have three youths in Z, McTaivsh, and Jones. Two new guys in Strome and Vatrano. Then the old, wily vet in Rico. We've all witnessed Z needing a lot work on his defensive play, but I'm lost with Strome and Vatrano. I get that youth takes a long time to develop game away from the puck, Getzlaf stated that even superstar players take years to develop their off-the-puck game. That's why I'm more disappointed in Strome and Vatrano. Two night's ago, Gibby even directed to watch his backside, but Strome remained puck focused than man focused.

Our bottom-6 just play a simple game, this includes McTavish and Jones when they were considered our 3rd and 4th lines. We can all hear Hazy say often that the forwards need to help their defense, but often it feels like the same players are on the ice when that happens.

As a development coach, I'm okay with Eakins. All I do know is that if given proper talent, Eakins proved he can win. That's the problem with the Ducks, we just don't possess enough talent in the NHL and AHL levels. Can another coach do better? Maybe, but everything is still dependent on talent on-hand. Youths Steel, Milano, and Mahura appear to thrive with their new teams. Did Eakins help pave their improvement? Probably.

We only traded four players at last year's TDL, but our outcome dropped like Wiley Coyote off a cliff in every show. I don't think we realize just how much talent we have been lacking. In our COVID season, Lindholm played in only 18 games to start the season. We looked terrible for the rest of the season.

Ducks 2020-21​
Subject​
Games​
W​
L​
OTL​
Pts​
.​
GF​
GA​
GD​
.​
GF/GP​
GA/GP​
Diff​
Total​
56​
17​
30​
9​
43​
.​
126​
179​
-53​
3.82​
5.42​
-1.61​
w/ Lindholm​
18​
6​
9​
3​
15​
.​
35​
48​
-13​
2.33​
3.20​
-0.87​
w/o Lindholm​
38​
11​
21​
6​
28​
.​
91​
131​
-40​
5.06​
7.28​
-2.22​

There's a significant difference with and without Lindholm in the lineup. Now, let's look at the past three seasons, using the first 33 games of the season with everyone healthy.


Ducks 3-years
SubjectGamesWLOTLPts.GFGAGD.GF/GPGA/GPDiff
2020-21 (COVID)561730943.126179-533.825.42-1.61
2021-22 (First 33 games)3317974110491133.152.760.39
2022-23521729640.130210-803.946.36-2.42

In the first 33 games of 2021-22, everyone is healthy and the youths showed up early in Terry, Z, Lundestrom, and Drysdale. We just don't have enough defensive talent if one of Lindholm, Manson, or Fowler go down to injury to sustain a high play rate.

We maybe years away from a good defense, it doesn't matter who the coach is.
 
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We need to get the puck back before we can transition.
So much this. We also need to stop giving up grade A chances, breakaways and letting ANYONE screen the goalie with barely a finger being laid on the person.
 
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