Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread Part II

[dracom]

Man cam fowler has 1 assist and is a -6 this year…. And we still have him for 3 more years. That is ugly…. Sorry I know we’re not supposed to talk down on captain cam

idk why you keep saying this, there's FAR more negativity towards him than people saying you can't talk negatively towards him.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

1 point in 14 games vs 14 points in 14 games.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

idk why you keep saying this, there's FAR more negativity towards him than people saying you can't talk negatively towards him.

there really isn’t much at all based on how and he’s been

 

[dracom]

there really isn’t much at all based on how and he’s been

dude every comment about him is how soft/bad/weak he is. what forum are you reading? lol i don't think there's been a single positive comment about him all season.

like yeah, he's been bad but so has our entire defense. Fowler has been asked to do more than he's capable of his entire tenure here and now he's being asked to do so again on the worst roster he's been a part of with the worst coach as well.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

dude every comment about him is how soft/bad/weak he is. what forum are you reading? lol i don't think there's been a single positive comment about him all season.

He hasnt done anything to deserve a positive comment.... hes been the most disappointing player on the team

 

[dracom]

He hasnt done anything to deserve a positive comment.... hes been the most disappointing player on the team

so then why are you saying dumb stuff like ". Sorry I know we’re not supposed to talk down on captain cam"

you seem to hate him as much as you meme liking steel

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

so then why are you saying dumb stuff like ". Sorry I know we’re not supposed to talk down on captain cam"

you seem to hate him as much as you meme liking steel

Because he literally floats under the radar, just cause no one says positive things... not many are saying negative things... hes always gotten a pass here by people like you.

If any other dmen over the last 5 years was playing him, theyd be getting crucified by the fan base here.

Now stop being soft like Captain Cam, just accept he has gone down hill really fast and were stuck with another cap dump.

And I do like Sam steel, not even memes

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Because he literally floats under the radar, just cause no one says positive things... not many are saying negative things... hes always gotten a pass here by people like you.

If any other dmen over the last 5 years was playing him, theyd be getting crucified by the fan base here.

Now stop being soft like Captain Cam, just accept he has gone down hill really fast and were stuck with another cap dump.

And I do like Sam steel, not even memes

I agree he hasn't looked good in 14 games, but this is such a reactionary take.

He's had a rough start playing in a role that doesn't suit him after coming off a career year.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Because he literally floats under the radar, just cause no one says positive things... not many are saying negative things... hes always gotten a pass here by people like you.

If any other dmen over the last 5 years was playing him, theyd be getting crucified by the fan base here.

Now stop being soft like Captain Cam, just accept he has gone down hill really fast and were stuck with another cap dump.

And I do like Sam steel, not even memes

When did the bolded ever NOT happen by a very vocal group?

 

[All Mighty]

Idk if he’s going to play tonight since he played last night.

 

[91Fedorov]

Idk if he’s going to play tonight since he played last night.

I would love to see it.

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

Fowler's being asked to play 24 minutes a night on one of, if not the worst performing defense in the league? I'm shocked his numbers are bad.

He wasn't suddenly going to become some physical player or defensive stud. His only uncharacteristic mistakes he's making this year are bad passes along the boards, and that can at least partially be blamed on how bad our team has played in our own zone.

If Eakins can figure out any semblance of breakout strategy for this team then Cam will look fine.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Fowler's being asked to play 24 minutes a night on one of, if not the worst performing defense in the league? I'm shocked his numbers are bad.

He wasn't suddenly going to become some physical player or defensive stud. His only uncharacteristic mistakes he's making this year are bad passes along the boards, and that can at least partially be blamed on how bad our team has played in our own zone.

If Eakins can figure out any semblance of breakout strategy for this team then Cam will look fine.

An actual NHL shutdown defenseman will make Cam effective at ES. Having a lot of shutdown D-men so that Cam doesn't play on the PK will help the PK immensely b/c Cam skates around players instead of pushing them out of the way.

Cam is a finesse, puck-carrying transitional defenseman. After the TDL, that isn't Cam's role any longer and Cam isn't succeeding in that defensive d-man role. The previous GM accepted what Cam is as a player and has always paired him with a defensive D-man with Gudbranson, Hakanpaa, and Manson to be "Optimal Cam".

Eakins needs horses for a breakout strategy, but he wasn't given much with respect to an NHL shutdown D, considering the team lost two NHL shutdown D.

 

[duckpuck]

I think Fowler is playing hurt - he's been even softer than his usual self. But that being said, he's hardly been the most glaring problem on this team's defense.

 

[bsu]

If Verbeek re-signs Klingberg for any amount of time I am going to wear a brown paper bag with #FireVerbeek on them to every game.

 

[Mr Rogers]

I think Fowler is playing hurt - he's been even softer than his usual self. But that being said, he's hardly been the most glaring problem on this team's defense.

wouldn't be at all surprised, but do think exhaustion could be a factor as well. he's being used in all situations and just has no extra energy to expend outside of moving the puck

 

[Leonardo87]

If Verbeek re-signs Klingberg for any amount of time I am going to wear a brown paper bag with #FireVerbeek on them to every game.

Klingberg is not going to make it to March, wouldn’t worry about that.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

We've seen that Fowler can be pretty darn successful when utilized properly. Unfortunately for the better part of his career, he's been forced into far less than ideal conditions. Whether it's playing top four minutes as a younger D with a revolving door of partners highlighted by Lovejoy, playing top pair with Bieksa, or this current state of being the heaviest minute muncher on a team devoid of physical defensive help - none of it plays to Fowler's strengths.

He's best served leading the puck moving charge on a second pair (or 1A/B situation) where he has a bigger bodied partner who is strong defensively. If we had a true top pair, and could put Fowler with a Manson type, he'd be fantastic in that role.

 

[bsu]

This might be the worst defensive Ducks team in history — how did it happen?

The Ducks are on pace to allow the most goals ever, and there's plenty of blame to be shared.

theathletic.com

 

[robbieboy3686]

We've seen that Fowler can be pretty darn successful when utilized properly. Unfortunately for the better part of his career, he's been forced into far less than ideal conditions. Whether it's playing top four minutes as a younger D with a revolving door of partners highlighted by Lovejoy, playing top pair with Bieksa, or this current state of being the heaviest minute muncher on a team devoid of physical defensive help - none of it plays to Fowler's strengths.

He's best served leading the puck moving charge on a second pair (or 1A/B situation) where he has a bigger bodied partner who is strong defensively. If we had a true top pair, and could put Fowler with a Manson type, he'd be fantastic in that role.

Plz he was always playing behind lindholm who bore all the toughest minutes.

 

[All Mighty]

 

[DavidBL]

Plz he was always playing behind lindholm who bore all the toughest minutes.

That was factually untrue last year.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

This might be the worst defensive Ducks team in history — how did it happen?

The Ducks are on pace to allow the most goals ever, and there's plenty of blame to be shared.

theathletic.com

I read this article early in the morning and want to point out one paragraph:

General manager Pat Verbeek has said that he wasn’t going to seek out blue-line help and while there was some consideration to claiming waived veteran Mike Reilly, ultimately the Ducks passed on the 29-year-old who is in the middle of a three-year, $9-million contract and is due to make $4 million next season. The Ducks dug deeper by recalling Austin Strand from the AHL’s San Diego Gulls, with Beaulieu and Shattenkirk unable to play Saturday. Alas, there is no Olen Zellweger to look forward to, because the club returned him to his junior team.​

This reminds me of Verbeek not seeking to get help when Manson was deemed to be out long term due to injury in the penultimate game before the Olympic break last season. Verbeek was hired during Olympic break. A similar pattern repeats because "Tanks R Us" is the modus operandi for Verbeek all along.

 

[MMC]

I read this article early in the morning and want to point out one paragraph:

General manager Pat Verbeek has said that he wasn’t going to seek out blue-line help and while there was some consideration to claiming waived veteran Mike Reilly, ultimately the Ducks passed on the 29-year-old who is in the middle of a three-year, $9-million contract and is due to make $4 million next season. The Ducks dug deeper by recalling Austin Strand from the AHL’s San Diego Gulls, with Beaulieu and Shattenkirk unable to play Saturday. Alas, there is no Olen Zellweger to look forward to, because the club returned him to his junior team.​

This reminds me of Verbeek not seeking to get help when Manson was deemed to be out long term due to injury in the penultimate game before the Olympic break last season. Verbeek was hired during Olympic break. A similar pattern repeats because "Tanks R Us" is the modus operandi for Verbeek all along.

I don't understand why you would expect a GM who takes over a rebuilding team mid-season to immediately burn assets to fill a short term hole

 

[DavidBL]

I don't understand why you would expect a GM who takes over a rebuilding team mid-season to immediately burn assets to fill a short term hole

A hole is a hole. No idea if any of the kids will actually fill any of then. And the best bet for a defensive style D is Anderson who for some reasons hasn't gotten any opportunity with the NHL club yet.