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Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread Part II

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I noticed Z is at even strength, one of the few players who or even or plus on a bad defensive team.

I know +/- can be flawed. But I think it is measuring up to his play. He has been better in his own zone, winning more face offs, and back-checking.

He still is making some poor passing decisions but he’s getting the puck out of the zone better and just seems to be aware more of what’s going on in his own end. Getting him away from Milano and Rakell was the best thing
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Ben Grimm said:
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Breaking Down the Anaheim Ducks' Difficult Start

Ryan Kennedy and Mike Stephens discussed the Anaheim Ducks losing Jamie Drysdale to injury and the poor start on the Nov. 1 episode of The Hockey News Podcast.
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It's an interesting podcast and seems to mimic the two expectations on this board. One person expected the Ducks to be playoff bound based upon FA names and the other person expected to be bad because the bulk of the roster didn't change that much since the TDL.

Our possession numbers are bad b/c our we're lacking talent at forward and defense to win puck battles as well as losing assignments on both sides of the ice.

I do wonder if losing Drysdale hurt the Ducks' momentum when it was tightening the defense, getting transition, and shooting the puck more.

Out of the 13 games played, we've only had 4 home games and never back-to-back home games. Hazy said in the last telecast that the Ducks will finally have a long home stay with two days between games for the next three games. Hopefully, there will be a lot of x's and o's in the film room to get everyone on the same page and back to that momentum of suppression shots while getting more shots in.
 
Leonardo87 said:
I noticed Z is at even strength, one of the few players who or even or plus on a bad defensive team.

I know +/- can be flawed. But I think it is measuring up to his play. He has been better in his own zone, winning more face offs, and back-checking.

He still is making some poor passing decisions but he’s getting the puck out of the zone better and just seems to be aware more of what’s going on in his own end. Getting him away from Milano and Rakell was the best thing
For him .
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Ive always felt +/- while being flawed was decently accurate if you had enough games and you only compared guys on the same team and then also factored in minutes (IE a minute munching d on a team that was a strong + is naturally going to have a better +) and factored in young guys getting sheltered minutes. When you factor all of that in it isnt too bad at all.

Back when the Ducks were decent you would always see Hampus, Getzlaf, Manson leading with guys like Bieksa at the bottom.
 
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Trojans86 said:
Ive always felt +/- while being flawed was decently accurate if you had enough games and you only compared guys on the same team and then also factored in minutes (IE a minute munching d on a team that was a strong + is naturally going to have a better +) and factored in young guys getting sheltered minutes. When you factor all of that in it isnt too bad at all.

Back when the Ducks were decent you would always see Hampus, Getzlaf, Manson leading with guys like Bieksa at the bottom.
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Exactly. Within a team, it is a super good stat, actually. It's when you compare current Ducks and Bruins players +/- is when it usually gets derailed.
 
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Trojans86 said:
Ive always felt +/- while being flawed was decently accurate if you had enough games and you only compared guys on the same team and then also factored in minutes (IE a minute munching d on a team that was a strong + is naturally going to have a better +) and factored in young guys getting sheltered minutes. When you factor all of that in it isnt too bad at all.

Back when the Ducks were decent you would always see Hampus, Getzlaf, Manson leading with guys like Bieksa at the bottom.
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I like +/- stats, but know you still need more context to get a more accurate picture. The more different stats available helps make for a more accurate description of play.

The year we drafted D Theodore, everyone was complaining about Theordore's plus/minus rating for his D-1 and D-0 seasons, -36 and -24 respectively. Individually, it looks abysmal, but then you see the team was all in the high negative ratings. Theodore was stuck on a very bad junior team and was 3rd in scoring for the team both seasons.
 
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Should the Ducks start considering Lundy as 4C this season and bump McTavish to 3C with Jones and Leason? Or maybe move McTavish as 2C and move Strome to wing? McTavish is generating points in bottom-6 minutes or with bottom-6 players.

McTavish
TOI: 13:03​
Points: 7 pts​
+/- Rating: - 4​
CF % = 45.8​
OZS % = 50.6​

Lundestrom
TOI: 14:23​
Points: 5 pts​
+/- Rating: - 5​
CF % = 38.0​
OZS % = 34.7​

Strome
TOI: 18:43​
Points: 10 pts​
+/- Rating: - 5​
CF % = 46.4​
OZS % = 49.3​

Lundy has not been the same as last year's Lundy. Eakins reported that he did get injured earlier in the season and that could be hindering him, but that CF % of 38.0 is abysmal. I never thought that Lundy's defensive play would go down, but he's not been good overall this season. A fourth line of Rico-Grant-Silf looked way better than any line centered by Lundy.
 
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Should the Ducks start considering Lundy as 4C this season and bump McTavish to 3C with Jones and Leason? Or maybe move McTavish as 2C and move Strome to wing? McTavish is generating points in bottom-6 minutes or with bottom-6 players.

McTavish
TOI: 13:03​
Points: 7 pts​
+/- Rating: - 4​
CF % = 45.8​
OZS % = 50.6​

Lundestrom
TOI: 14:23​
Points: 5 pts​
+/- Rating: - 5​
CF % = 38.0​
OZS % = 34.7​

Strome
TOI: 18:43​
Points: 10 pts​
+/- Rating: - 5​
CF % = 46.4​
OZS % = 49.3​

Lundy has not been the same as last year's Lundy. Eakins reported that he did get injured earlier in the season and that could be hindering him, but that CF % of 38.0 is abysmal. I never thought that Lundy's defensive play would go down, but he's not been good overall this season. A fourth line of Rico-Grant-Silf looked way better than any line centered by Lundy.
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I would do this when Carrick is back

Vatrano-Zegras-Terry
Comtois-McTavish-Strome
Henrique-Lundestrom-Carrick
Jones-Grant-Silf
 
Quack Shot said:
I would do this when Carrick is back

Vatrano-Zegras-Terry
Comtois-McTavish-Strome
Henrique-Lundestrom-Carrick
Jones-Grant-Silf
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If we're kicking Rico out of the top-6 and sliding Silf to the 4th line, then I'd rather do Rico-Grantzlaf-Silf because that actually worked.

I'd stick with Carrick at wing for the time being until we feel comfortable that he's back to 100% hockey game shape. Once he's in shape and if Lundy is struggling, then I'd move Lundy off 3C. I just think Lundy's a black hole at ES play for the time being and may need a better option at center than Lundy.

Vatrano-Z-Terry is a line where Z has two shooters on his line and looks tantalizing. Unfortunately, I think there's too much finesse for that line. I don't like Vatrano-Z-Terry line b/c it's missing that banger, which Comtois has been doing very well and doing the dirty job to let Z and Terry have that creative finesse. I'd stick Vatrano with McTavish-Strome b/c there's players who won't get pushed over often in McTavish and Strome to have the smaller shooter in Vatrano not be cancelled out. Vatrano can be that fluid pest who can find opening in the slot while McTavish and Strome do the cycle game.

Oh wait... I just remembered that Grant is still injured. We're gonna have to have to insert either Leason at wing or keep Gawdin at center. Hmmm...

BTW, Rico has 4 goals in the past four games. He's one of our hottest players. Putting him with the black hole of Lundy right now doesn't sound great. When Rico was cold, I didn't mind, but he's en fuego as of late.
 
I can't see them bumping McTavish to 2C when they won't even keep him at C in general. Though honestly, the way lineups have been so far this season, they could post that he's 1C tomorrow and that wouldn't surprise me either.

If they are going to keep him in the bottom six, I'd like to see what a Grant-McTavish-Carrick line could do. (Assuming Eakins could resist his usual urge to make any line Grant is on the "defensive deployment first last and only" line, but hopefully McTavish centering would offset that.) Grant and Carrick seemed to have good chemistry last season, and if McTavish could even elevate Leason, putting him with a couple guys who have proved to be pretty elevate-able (yeah that's a word) in the past could work out.
 
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Sabres fan here. Hockey trade idea to throw your way.

Olofsson for Comtois and Helleson/Warren.

I can add in details on Olofsson if you'd like.
 
Der Jaeger said:
Sabres fan here. Hockey trade idea to throw your way.

Olofsson for Comtois and Helleson/Warren.

I can add in details on Olofsson if you'd like.
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Our team is already as soft as it gets. I'm not a big Comtois fan, but he brings an element that Olofsson does not. And adding a RHD prospect makes it an even tougher sell considering Drysdale is our only NHL RHD that will be on the team beyond this season.
 
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