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Kane is apparently demanding a trade tomorrow. Will have to wait and see
2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny
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Hurricane28
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Nothing will change when Chuck is fired. Fundamental change wont come until Clarke and Homer are sent away.
BiggE
SELL THE DAMN TEAM
McCammon drafted well but was not shrewd when it came to trades and he was a flat out horrific coach.
BrindamoursNose
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Get a first to take on JVR... let him rack up points playing with kane... trade him at the deadline for another 1st.
Blackhawks doing it right.
i thought mccammon could have been a good trader because didn't he get Howe... I guess that was his only good trade.. Or was Murray Craven a Clarke move?
weren't Tim Kerr and Dave poulin undrafted FA's?
BiggE
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Keith Allen was still GM when Howe was acquired, and Clarke made the Craven deal. Also Kerr, Sinisalo and Poulin were all signed while Allen was GM.
crap, I just read the newspaper article from 1984 when Mccammon was fired.
It said the Flyers wanted him to give up coaching but remain as GM. Mccammon refused.
What if he accepted that ultimatum? Clarke wouldn't have been hired as GM........ the history of the organization could have been much better.... maybe that 80s team doesn't descend into rot by 1990,
Another instance where the team takes the wrong turn
It said the Flyers wanted him to give up coaching but remain as GM. Mccammon refused.
What if he accepted that ultimatum? Clarke wouldn't have been hired as GM........ the history of the organization could have been much better.... maybe that 80s team doesn't descend into rot by 1990,
Another instance where the team takes the wrong turn
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It’s incredible how we got to this situation where we have to make multiple decisions of only objectively bad outcomes
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I didn’t realize Evolving-Hockey had Tippett’s projection at $2.12 mil. That would be icing on the cake for the trade and cap management. 
ok, i see. it says Allen retired in 83. For some reason, I thought it was earlier.
So, I'm giving Mcammon too much credit.
Still, he couldn't have been worse than Clarke after 87
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This sounds more and more like the rumor posted above, that Fletcher wants to rebuild but is being blocked by Clarke and Holmgren, may have some legs. This is why Fletcher isn't rushing to trade a 1st rd pick to clear JVR, why he's moving 2nd and 3rd rd picks, trying to limit the damage from the "bias for action" mandate - same thing he did in the summer of 2019. That summer he managed to satisfy the mandate but only gave up a net 3rd rd pick, regaining the 2nd in the draft, and Gudas. Last summer, the pressure was on to give AV what he thought he needed to win. This summer, the pressure is on again, another "name" HC, another push to the playoffs.
Beef says Fletcher is in control, I don't believe it for a minute. These moves feel like decisions being made by committee, a lot of "camels." As far as Fletcher resigning, uh, these jobs are hard to find, this could be his last real payday in his life - I'd hang on as long as I could in his situation - because those houses by the golf course are expensive.
Nothing is going to change until they fire Scott and bring in someone with real sports management experience and expertise. It doesn't even have to be a Hockey guy, just someone who does his homework, identifies the best available hockey people with 21st century mindsets and give them carte blanche to build a team for the long run. Only then will moves be made that are coherent.
What we see right now are a series of reactive moves, try this to make the playoffs, it didn't work, dump those players and add others, that didn't work . . . the lack of coherence tells me no one is in charge.
Fletcher did build Minnesota into a winner, made a couple initial mistakes but built through the draft. Then his owner started pushing to win now leading to a serious of TDL trades that leaked talent. We've just seen exactly the same thing with Zito in Florida, trading their top picks the next three seasons to get blown out in the 2nd round. Sakic isn't brilliant, he's just lucky to have a FO that allowed him to keep his job after deep sixing a 112 point team to 48 points in three years and patiently build it back up again. He's made some good moves, but the best was having the right owner.
Beef says Fletcher is in control, I don't believe it for a minute. These moves feel like decisions being made by committee, a lot of "camels." As far as Fletcher resigning, uh, these jobs are hard to find, this could be his last real payday in his life - I'd hang on as long as I could in his situation - because those houses by the golf course are expensive.
Nothing is going to change until they fire Scott and bring in someone with real sports management experience and expertise. It doesn't even have to be a Hockey guy, just someone who does his homework, identifies the best available hockey people with 21st century mindsets and give them carte blanche to build a team for the long run. Only then will moves be made that are coherent.
What we see right now are a series of reactive moves, try this to make the playoffs, it didn't work, dump those players and add others, that didn't work . . . the lack of coherence tells me no one is in charge.
Fletcher did build Minnesota into a winner, made a couple initial mistakes but built through the draft. Then his owner started pushing to win now leading to a serious of TDL trades that leaked talent. We've just seen exactly the same thing with Zito in Florida, trading their top picks the next three seasons to get blown out in the 2nd round. Sakic isn't brilliant, he's just lucky to have a FO that allowed him to keep his job after deep sixing a 112 point team to 48 points in three years and patiently build it back up again. He's made some good moves, but the best was having the right owner.
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This sounds more and more like the rumor posted above, that Fletcher wants to rebuild but is being blocked by Clarke and Holmgren, may have some legs. This is why Fletcher isn't rushing to trade a 1st rd pick to clear JVR, why he's moving 2nd and 3rd rd picks, trying to limit the damage from the "bias for action" mandate - same thing he did in the summer of 2019. That summer he managed to satisfy the mandate but only gave up a net 3rd rd pick, regaining the 2nd in the draft, and Gudas. Last summer, the pressure was on to give AV what he thought he needed to win. This summer, the pressure is on again, another "name" HC, another push to the playoffs.
Beef says Fletcher is in control, I don't believe it for a minute. These moves feel like decisions being made by committee, a lot of "camels." As far as Fletcher resigning, uh, these jobs are hard to find, this could be his last real payday in his life - I'd hang on as long as I could in his situation - because those houses by the golf course are expensive.
Nothing is going to change until they fire Scott and bring in someone with real sports management experience and expertise. It doesn't even have to be a Hockey guy, just someone who does his homework, identifies the best available hockey people with 21st century mindsets and give them carte blanche to build a team for the long run. Only then will moves be made that are coherent.
What we see right now are a series of reactive moves, try this to make the playoffs, it didn't work, dump those players and add others, that didn't work . . . the lack of coherence tells me no one is in charge.
Fletcher did build Minnesota into a winner, made a couple initial mistakes but built through the draft. Then his owner started pushing to win now leading to a serious of TDL trades that leaked talent. We've just seen exactly the same thing with Zito in Florida, trading their top picks the next three seasons to get blown out in the 2nd round. Sakic isn't brilliant, he's just lucky to have a FO that allowed him to keep his job after deep sixing a 112 point team to 48 points in three years and patiently build it back up again. He's made some good moves, but the best was having the right owner.
Stop. Please.
If Fletcher is even here beyond this season, desperate as he is to keep his job, only more disaster awaits.
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LegionOfDoom91
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We got some diet public criticism from Meltzer earlier then Charlie just brings the flamethrower.
Hollywood Cannon
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Seriously, how the f*** does someone come up with that narrative let alone believe it?
Blackhawkswincup
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This sounds more and more like the rumor posted above, that Fletcher wants to rebuild but is being blocked by Clarke and Holmgren, may have some legs. This is why Fletcher isn't rushing to trade a 1st rd pick to clear JVR, why he's moving 2nd and 3rd rd picks, trying to limit the damage from the "bias for action" mandate - same thing he did in the summer of 2019. That summer he managed to satisfy the mandate but only gave up a net 3rd rd pick, regaining the 2nd in the draft, and Gudas. Last summer, the pressure was on to give AV what he thought he needed to win. This summer, the pressure is on again, another "name" HC, another push to the playoffs.
Beef says Fletcher is in control, I don't believe it for a minute. These moves feel like decisions being made by committee, a lot of "camels." As far as Fletcher resigning, uh, these jobs are hard to find, this could be his last real payday in his life - I'd hang on as long as I could in his situation - because those houses by the golf course are expensive.
Nothing is going to change until they fire Scott and bring in someone with real sports management experience and expertise. It doesn't even have to be a Hockey guy, just someone who does his homework, identifies the best available hockey people with 21st century mindsets and give them carte blanche to build a team for the long run. Only then will moves be made that are coherent.
What we see right now are a series of reactive moves, try this to make the playoffs, it didn't work, dump those players and add others, that didn't work . . . the lack of coherence tells me no one is in charge.
Fletcher did build Minnesota into a winner, made a couple initial mistakes but built through the draft. Then his owner started pushing to win now leading to a serious of TDL trades that leaked talent. We've just seen exactly the same thing with Zito in Florida, trading their top picks the next three seasons to get blown out in the 2nd round. Sakic isn't brilliant, he's just lucky to have a FO that allowed him to keep his job after deep sixing a 112 point team to 48 points in three years and patiently build it back up again. He's made some good moves, but the best was having the right owner.
If this was case, then why would Fletcher not resign?
His reputation is going down tubes while he is the "Victim" and being "Forced" into these moves according to your viewpoint
Looks like you're doing everything you can to defend Fletcher
And when you add up assets, he trades away its thinning out Flyer's future piece by piece even if he holds onto a couple of 1sts
And since he traded a 1st for Ristolainen that would sorta show our "He doesn't want to trade 1st's" argument to be well wrong
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And remember:
Homer only got out of Briere and Bryzgalov's contracts on a GIFT of a buyout from the CBA negotiations. Our woes would've even been worse at the beginning of the Hextall era if we didn't somehow make that happen.
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If anyone of those four are here beyond this season, more disaster awaits.
You think Scott, Clarke and Holmgren would approve a rebuild?
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