2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[LegionOfDoom91]

Hartnell was oddly enough a 25 year old UFA since he played as an 18 year old right away with Nashville. So you had that rare UFA in the middle of their prime still.

 

[Curufinwe]

By what logic? He is 30 years old. He will be irrelevant if/when the flyers ever get into contention. Cap hit likely to be anchor. Not sure how you correlate that with getting grid of of all their best players. That might not be a bad thing anyway.

Well if he will not be signing an ext yes Sanheim should be moved. The draft will be a good time for that.

The logic of trading your best players a year before they become UFAs instead of signing them to long term extensions.

He's actually 29, and Sanheim will be 27 when he starts his next deal that will take him into his mid 30s.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

The RFA guys were about to enter or just entered their prime too. Gagne was one of the older noteworthy pieces that were holdovers. But he was only 26-27 years old. He actually didn’t play much that initial season with only 25 games but the following season he was 70+ point guy. Giroux came along towards the last few years & was an impactful ELC guy.

Homer was starting from a good standpoint with a clean slate in 2007. He essentially pushed all his chips in from that point until it fall off in 2010-2011. Fletcher’s close to the end after pushing all his chips since he’s been hired. The roster is worse, it’s more expensive, & we’ve been shipping out way more picks than we’ve been bringing in even including some 1-2 rounders in multiple years.

2013 works better than 2007, especially if you discount the league throwing them the buyout life rafts. And without the superstar.

How's that for terrifying?

Honestly, even as recent as 2019 is *way* closer to 2007 than this offseason.

Even though the picks haven't panned out, in 2019 these guys like Frost, Sanheim, TK, Lindblom, Myers, NAK, Patrick, etc. were all valuable chips Fletch had at his disposal along with lots of cap space.

Maddening.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

He's actually 29, and Sanheim will be 27 when he starts his next deal that will take him into his mid 30s.

He will be 30 in December, 3 months into his 8 year deal.

Sanheim is a free agent is he not? So lets say he wises up and tells the GM he will not sign an ext. So you play GM and tell me what you do.

 

[Curufinwe]

If Sanheim refuses to sign an extension that is obviously a different situation.

Bear if mind that a year ago some people predicted that Couturier would "wise up" and refuse to sign an extension.

 

[Rebels57]

How Sanheim gets along with Torts will have a major impact on any potential extension.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Yup. Giroux might be the best value on the market given the contract he likely could get which is hilarious given how things have transpired with him & the Flyers.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

If Sanheim refuses to sign an extension that is obviously a different situation.

Bear if mind that a year ago some people predicted that Couturier would "wise up" and refuse to sign an extension.

I was shocked he wanted to re-sign here really. Going down the Giroux path where he doesn’t seem to mind/accept the mediocrity (at best).

 

[kudymen]

Yup. Giroux might be the best value on the market given the contract he likely could get which is hilarious given how things have transpired with him & the Flyers.

Some things just can never be predicted, not even when you are a Harvard graduate. Let alone when you are a mere internet poster

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Some things just can never be predicted, not even when you are a Harvard graduate. Let alone when you are a mere internet poster

What I think Chuck’s Harvard degree…

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

On serious thought I think draft position/prospect profile is a bias against Puljujarvi. People hold it against him that he’s not a star or top line caliber player to the point they miss that he’s actually a versatile middle of the lineup caliber of player in the prime of his career under RFA control.

The Flyers for example did this back in the day with JvR.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Yup. Giroux might be the best value on the market given the contract he likely could get which is hilarious given how things have transpired with him & the Flyers.

This is the funniest possible outcome. I root for entertainment these days.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

This is the funniest possible outcome. I root for entertainment these days.

I’m not even saying ASF’s reports about the situation are true. I don’t know. But on the surface it just feels something fishy went down between Giroux & the organization on his way out.

Even credible people pushed the idea in season before the deadline that Giroux could possibly head back here in the off-season. But since the deadline to now that’s pretty much stopped.

 

[GKJ]

I’m not even saying ASF’s reports about the situation are true. I don’t know. But on the surface it just feels something fishy went down between Giroux & the organization on his way out.

Even credible people pushed the idea in season before the deadline that Giroux could possibly head back here in the off-season. But since the deadline to now that’s pretty much stopped.

They will backdoor report on it after the fact because they don’t want to put people in bad spots by having to answer questions publicly.

 

[GKJ]

Guaranteed he goes to one of the ‘smart’ teams who value finding players specifically on this basis.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yup. Giroux might be the best value on the market given the contract he likely could get which is hilarious given how things have transpired with him & the Flyers.

Prioritizing adding offense… what a concept. Just imagine.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Prioritizing adding offense… what a concept. Just imagine.

"snots n balls " doesnt win championships ? wait whatttt....

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I saw on the Trade board that teams are quietly approaching Calgary about Matthew Tkachuk. I wonder if the Flyers would be interested and what it would take to get it done. Tkachuk had 100 points this past season.

If Fletcher really wants to make a 2007-style splash, maybe he ships out some salary to sign Gaudreau and trade for Tkachuk. We would need to be sure that Tkachuk would re-sign beyond next season, however. It would probably put us in cap hell having those two plus Hayes and Couturier all making $7M plus at forward though.

You gotta get super creative if this ever were to happen. Chuck isn’t that dude

 

[deadhead]

The worst mistake you can make is trade/sign a player coming off a career year, odds are regression to the mean will apply, but optimists convince themselves the player has turned the proverbial corner.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[deadhead]

The RFA guys were about to enter or just entered their prime too. Gagne was one of the older noteworthy pieces that were holdovers. But he was only 26-27 years old. He actually didn’t play much that initial season with only 25 games but the following season he was 70+ point guy. Giroux came along towards the last few years & was an impactful ELC guy.

Homer was starting from a good standpoint with a clean slate in 2007. He essentially pushed all his chips in from that point until it fall off in 2010-2011. Fletcher’s close to the end after pushing all his chips since he’s been hired. The roster is worse, it’s more expensive, & we’ve been shipping out way more picks than we’ve been bringing in even including some 1-2 rounders in multiple years.

This is a bit of an exaggeration - out 1st, (3) 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, in 1st, 2nd, (2) 3rd, (2) 4th, 5th, 7th

Players gone from 2018 still in the NHL:
G (35), V (33), Ghost (29), Patrick (24), Simmonds (34), Hagg (27), Gudas (32), Raffl (34), Myers (26), NAK (26), Stolarz (29)

Players added since 2018:
Atkinson (33), Risto (28), Hayes (30), Ellis (32), Tippett (23)
New: York (21), N Cates (23), Attard (23), Frost (23), Brink (21), Allison (25), Laczynski (25), Sandstrom (26)

It's not that this team has leaked value, it's that it's been treading water since 2012 and they're still floundering.
They got lucky everything went wrong and they're going to get the #5 pick, but they'll probably do just enough next year to pick #15 in 2023.

 

[Magua]

 

[freakydallas13]

Bear if mind that a year ago some people predicted that Couturier would "wise up" and refuse to sign an extension.

They said that about Giroux too, and they were right about him.

 

[captainpaxil]

On serious thought I think draft position/prospect profile is a bias against Puljujarvi. People hold it against him that he’s not a star or top line caliber player to the point they miss that he’s actually a versatile middle of the lineup caliber of player in the prime of his career under RFA control.

The Flyers for example did this back in the day with JvR.

We're doing it right now with tippet.
On the main forum I was bouncing around the idea of ceci and pulju for tk. Edm fans said they couldn't part with ceci